GSC & Custodes Codex (Preorder up 08/01)

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**xttz**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpZv8xw7S4o

Auspex tactics did a video on updated datasheets for a few GSC units:

Rockgrinder gets 12" movement and WS3+

Rockgrinder & Truck are 3+ save

Standard 9E improvements to some weapons for both vehicles, especially the heavy seismic cannon

Jackal Alphus +1Sv -1W, better sniper rifle

Abominant -1S +1W

**JWBS**

Custodes article

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/05/captain-commanders-of-the-adeptus-custodes-are-the-elite-of-the-elite-of-the-elite/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Article&utm_campaign=Codex+content,+Jan+5

**Niiai**

Do we know if there is a GSC combat patroll? While I can stil grab the old one I do not really need more ridge runners.

**Ordana**

Yeah, the Custodes book definitely got written by the IF guy. Every single ability 'if you did a specific thing'

**xttz**

Niiai wrote:
Do we know if there is a GSC combat patroll? While I can stil grab the old one I do not really need more ridge runners.

It hasn't been announced yet but we should get to see it when the codex reviews appear on Saturday. I suspect GW are holding back a few Combat Patrol sets to release all at once like they've done before with Start Collecting.

Will be interesting to see if they bring back the old DWOK infantry sprues as part of the GSC set. I'm sure they could fit at least three of those in the box and it would give a big chunk of models to start the army compared to the same volume of sprues for the full kits.

**chaos0xomega**

IIRC Thousand Sons and Grey Knights are still waiting for their Combat Patrols, but Black Templars (released after them) already received theres. Really seems to be down to production/shipping delays as to when they get released. The codex should provide us an indication as to the contents of it.

**Niiai**

Oh yeah. Probably the shadow box was our 'combat patroll'. I don't need more of the characters. Or ridge runners.

**JWBS**

Nah there will be a combat patrol.

**chaos0xomega**

Yes, a separate permanent stock combat patrol is being released for every faction, so there definitely will be one.

**Niiai**

The question is when. This Saturday?

**Voss**

Niiai wrote:
The question is when. This Saturday?

Nope.

They would have been pre-announced for pre-order on Sunday with the books.

If they come, they'll likely come when 'bomber girl' and 'extra stabby guy' get individual releases. I'd wager on a random week in late Feb/ early March. Maybe April.

**JWBS**

idk, Jain Zaar, Ragnar etc we had to wait an appreciable time for didn't we? Same with Wake the Dead and others. Is Castellan Crowe available yet? The codices that accompanied them are. The dex drops before the paywalled characters I think.

**Voss**

JWBS wrote:
idk, Jain Zaar, Ragnar etc we had to wait an appreciable time for didn't we? Same with Wake the Dead and others. Is Castellan Crowe available yet? The codices that accompanied them are. The dex drops before the paywalled characters I think.

Yeah, it does. The books are this weekend. The box came out in December. That's why I'm positing the individual characters off towards March.

But I'll admit, I forget that Crowe even existed. Could be a shipping/production hiccup, or maybe these new characters are more May/June.

**JWBS**

Oh sorry I forgot we were talking about combat patrols. Yeah I'd agree, six to eight weeks after codex I think, logistics problems not withstanding.

**xttz**

I wonder if the backlogged stuff will all get dropped together as a filler week. There's single characters & combat patrols pending for at least 4 factions, plus the recently announced updates for the Dark Imperium marine characters. Perhaps it'll come alongside Chapter Approved since none of them are 'new' releases.

In other news, the GSC discord has a bunch of tidbits about the new book. This is the time when advance review copies are received by the youtube-types

Luckily someone made a summary on reddit to save me typing so much:

Everything gets cult creeds

Guard units and drill gone from the dex

Metas, aberrants, jackals got weapons standardised (to some degree) – doesn’t matter how you build em, profile is the same. Exceptions for demos, hand flamers, sarge upgrades and so on but not “basic guy” weaponry

For acos, cutters and drills now better – saws still reasonable though. Looks like Cutters are 3D with -1 to hit, saws 2D, and drills 1D with a special rule (tied to hit roll). All 3 same pts.

4AE gets 27 CP to play with – 12 to start, 1 per turn, 1 gen per turn in some way, and implied to be a cost reduced strat per turn too

Bikes, rockgrinders, acos, sanctus, iconward, primus (with gun) all good

Nexos arguably biggest glow up, now really good

Sanctus with blade and abom both pretty trash

Saboteur gets no support whatsoever in the dex – no real reason to take her

Clamavus, Locus, Alphus and Biophagus interesting options, as are metas, abs, purestrains have merit in some builds

Characters largely feel like that they should have already been for their cost

Big neo blobs not great – one factor might be icons costing a LOT

Basically all the psy powers got worse, combined with magos and patty changes a real debate whether you just ignore them for abhor now

Crossfire on everything that can proc it (except sabo apparently, rip) – i.e. trucks, acos

Hivecult looking strong, custom creeds also very potent

HC best mech cult, FAE DS and CP, PP mass infantry cult, RC closest to unchanged, BC and TH options for muscle beach

Crossfire lost if you soup with nids at all – but not blips!

Dropping trucks outside the DZ from blips is fixed

Minor change to Unquestioning loyalty – but not to “take 1 MW”

Nearly everything in the dex is same or more points, bar abom (goes to <80 but still awful lol). Lists will cost ~150-200 more

Abs go to 2A T5 3w, hit at S8 -2 3D on a 3+, can get a 5++ and transhuman

Stop sign no longer very good, hypermorph just gives +1atk

Metas cause fight last

Rockgrinders go to 12” move, slightly worse melee profile, 3+ save and -1D

1 junk 2 situational secondaries

Broodcoven still a thing and only way for multiple WL traits

All the unit buff upgrades are really good, hard to pick them!

No fearless aura in the dex anymore

Lots of command phase stuff making putting stuff in trucks and DS less ideal as you miss out on them all

Bio still permanent targeted buff, doesn’t kill own guys any more

Psyker relic: +1 deny attempt, +1 to deny witchfires and maybe debuffs, infinite deny range

Crouchling: Reroll 1 failed spell a turn and if you roll doubles it can't be denied

Extra relic for 1/2CP for 1/2

Max crossfire build – maybe try 6x 10 man neos with lasers in trucks?

Clamavus almost 100% different but still decent

Lots of 1cp strats, a handful of 2 cost

Throw multiple nades strat is gone

Our vect becomes same as Deldars’ new vect

Jackals get 3 good new special rules on top of -1 to hit

Only rerolls to hits are largely 1s, one v specific reroll all

Can somehow turn off obsec

Way to get a 96.2% success charge from DS – possibly just for purestrains

The 96% charge or whatever is a 3d6 pick the highest upgrade on one squad, with rerolls and +1-2 to the bonus.

Not sure how 4ae gets 27 cp, its 1x -1 CP cost strat a battle round

From what I've heard, the custom traits you can have more than 2, they each cost 'points' and you 'buy' them up to a certain value. They are very powerful and the original cult traits are generally quite lack lustre..or rather 'confused'? Trying to cover alot of bases where as the custom strats you can focus in on the style you want.

Overall book feels quite weak as a stand alone compared to likes of drukhari which maybe is a good thing.

Bikes are very good

Ridgerunners solid

Abberants aren't core so dont really get any synergy bar biophagus and abominant (who is absolutely dreadful).

Purestrains are 'super stealers' but not core.

you can use command phase buffs when you come out of deep strike once per game

From people who have played it - book feels a bit pulled in many directions? Crossfire is powerful but hard to use and not much synergy for the best shooting units, bar bikes + ridgerunners. If you want to buff them, its hard to buff the infantry who without going all in on, are too weak and dont hit hard enough.

The sniper bike girl is useless

**Red Corsair**

Not sure I trust that. Everything just seems kind of vague and or based off things already confirmed.

It's real weird they are claiming blips are remaining when most sources have said the opposite as that mechanic is clunky and worthless on such a small table (besides other armies exploiting screening with them).

At least I hope some of that is bogus, if points went up 150-200 the army is probably DOA. Stuff is just way too expensive currently, making lists more expensive even with a few cute buffs still wont stop the army from being gassed and out of steam by turn 3.

Never the less, thank you very much for compiling it all over here xttz!

**chaos0xomega**

GSC losing access to their own terrain piece in their codex seems like a huge slap to the face.

**Sunny Side Up**

Red Corsair wrote:
Not sure I trust that. Everything just seems kind of vague and or based off things already confirmed.

Reddit post says it's not (new) rumours, but a compilation.

Blips definitely are here to stay. The Shadow Throne Box includes rules for blips for the GSC part.

**Red Corsair**

chaos0xomega wrote:
GSC losing access to their own terrain piece in their codex seems like a huge slap to the face.

That also gives me pause on those rumors, it would not make much sense to drop it from the faction unless they want to sell less of them purely as terrain. But who knows until this weekend lol.

**Gert**

Does the Fragdrill have rules elsewhere in the BRB or something?

**Red Corsair**

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Red Corsair wrote:
Not sure I trust that. Everything just seems kind of vague and or based off things already confirmed.

Reddit post says it's not (new) rumours, but a compilation.

Blips definitely are here to stay. The Shadow Throne Box includes rules for blips for the GSC part.

Well that sucks, blips are a terrible mechanic at 2k IMO. It's just such a huge waste of time and effort. Especially since it's a horde army with a tiny deployment zone.

**Necronmaniac05**

Brilliant so another of my armies gets a lackluster codex. I can only hope the custodes codex delivers otherwise I will be in yet another edition where none of my armies are effective given the shambles the necron codex is in.

**Hankovitch**

When the sum total of the GSC hype announcements were one "look at our saboteur" article, and a couple of "look at our old artwork" pieces, I had the sinking feeling we were getting a soggy fart of a codex.

**alextroy**

Hankovitch wrote:
When the sum total of the GSC hype announcements were one "look at our saboteur" article, and a couple of "look at our old artwork" pieces, I had the sinking feeling we were getting a soggy fart of a codex.

Feel free to be pessimistic, but it's just been a really long hype train (started way back on November 1st with weeks between articles):
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/04/turn-the-imperiums-weapons-against-it-with-new-brood-brothers-rules/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/16/prepare-entire-planets-for-the-day-of-ascension-with-these-new-genestealer-cults-crusade-rules/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/12/02/the-upcoming-genestealer-cults-codex-lets-you-pin-flank-and-destroy-with-the-crossfire-rule/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/25/troops-are-better-than-ever-how-the-next-three-codexes-improve-your-units/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/01/fight-for-the-fate-of-terra-with-the-two-incredibly-powerful-new-heroes-in-shadow-throne/

**H.B.M.C.**

They lose the Fragdrill?

**Dryaktylus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
They lose the Fragdrill?

Try to get (or, in some regions, find) it in the online store. There're some weird changes in the range, too. For example here in Germany the female Magus and the Nexos are sold out (like the Fragdrill).

**Kanluwen**

Wouldn't be shocked if the Fragdrill is dropped because of it just not having been well-received. Would be a shame though, because it was awesome looking.

The Magos and Nexos are likely to be in the Combat Patrol, coupled with the Deathwatch Overkill components.

**ListenToMeWarriors**

I am not usually one to boycott releases but if the Guard units (so Brood brothers, hwt's, Sentinels, Russ' and Chimera) are all gone from the codex then I am out. Those 5 and the Drill gone to be replaced by a single Saboteur datasheet would be a ridiculous move.

**Jarms48**

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
I am not usually one to boycott releases but if the Guard units (so Brood brothers, hwt's, Sentinels, Russ' and Chimera) are all gone from the codex then I am out. Those 5 and the Drill gone to be replaced by a single Saboteur datasheet would be a ridiculous move.

Yeah, now they expect you to pay CP, and use a worse version of the existing Brood Brothers Detachment rules to take units you already could in the past. It would have been fine if the increased restrictions on current Brood Brothers units came with better buffs. Like giving them the <Cult> keyword.

**H.B.M.C.**

Well they don't sell actual BB HWTs, Sentinels, Russes or Chimeras kits, so...

Also, in light of the Drill thing, assuming it's true, if you ever wanted one, get one now. GW terrain has a habit of vanishing without warning and never coming back.