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 Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, so the primus seems like junk lol. The ability procs in the command phase, so if I'm ambushing, I can't use it, and if I'm using trucks and transporting, I can't use it...

Meanwhile every other faction with this ability not only has this in aura form which is better, but it's a passive trait that isn't tied to the command phase.


He was originally designed for aiding in ambushes and actually was incredibly valuable, now he is just a dork with a situational aura, oops! Sorry, targeted ability that I can apparently pay points into so one time in the game I can theoretically give it to two units.

Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

Unconfirmed, but the rumour dump on the previous page says:

"you can use command phase buffs when you come out of deep strike once per game"

 Matrindur wrote:

Also I wasn't trying to say faction terrain is dead and we won't be getting anything else ever, just that I would have actually liked every army to get one and that may have been the plan once but doesn't seem to be the case anymore

If Tyranids don't get plastic spore chimneys with their next codex in 2026 I'm marching on Lenton

Well, Death Guard thingy, the three crumbling Necron-things and the Hammerfall Bunker were new faction-terrain first released in 9th.

 xttz wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, so the primus seems like junk lol. The ability procs in the command phase, so if I'm ambushing, I can't use it, and if I'm using trucks and transporting, I can't use it...

Meanwhile every other faction with this ability not only has this in aura form which is better, but it's a passive trait that isn't tied to the command phase.


He was originally designed for aiding in ambushes and actually was incredibly valuable, now he is just a dork with a situational aura, oops! Sorry, targeted ability that I can apparently pay points into so one time in the game I can theoretically give it to two units.

Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

Unconfirmed, but the rumour dump on the previous page says:

"you can use command phase buffs when you come out of deep strike once per game"

Barf!

Why must they over complicate everything! Just give him a frickin aura and if you want it to be limited to fewer units shorten the range to 3" rather then extending it out to 9"...

That also would only kinda fix half that blunder. Things getting out of the transport would still not work most of the time unless he's deepstriking up alone to where they are disembarking I guess?

Weird that AdMech didn't get something cool. Dark Eldar I get - why would they be bringing terrain to the battlefield? - and as Grotsnik once suggested, some sort of 'Silver Spires' terrain piece for 1KSons would've been great (in the same style as the Necron Convergence of Dominion, with two hovering spires that create a shield or a psychic barrier or whatever).

What else has come out this edition that either didn't already have one or wasn't some variety of Space Marine?

 Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, so the primus seems like junk lol. The ability procs in the command phase, so if I'm ambushing, I can't use it, and if I'm using trucks and transporting, I can't use it...

Meanwhile every other faction with this ability not only has this in aura form which is better, but it's a passive trait that isn't tied to the command phase.


He was originally designed for aiding in ambushes and actually was incredibly valuable, now he is just a dork with a situational aura, oops! Sorry, targeted ability that I can apparently pay points into so one time in the game I can theoretically give it to two units.

Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

Also that heroic intervention strat is one of the worst intervention strats they have produced. Instead of just giving strat to herioc intervene with a unit near the 3 said models they had to add the additional stipulation that those characters already have to be engaged, except this happens in your opponents turn so unless your playing fast and loose and exposing those 3 characters this is never coming into play lol.

The intervention strat looks designed to allow you to save a character if the opponent manages to find a gap to charge them (because with the intervene you presumably get close enough for Unquestionable Loyalty.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

You're just going to have to plan out how you use it. Y'know, meticulously!

Seriously, it never stops with GW. They have to over cook everything. This isn't a unique ability, it's a tired old one from the start of 8th. So they try to make it seem fresh by overly restricting it and over complicating the timing of it. Good rules design right there lmao

His reroll bubble is ongoing, like most others. His "activated ability" is Command Phase, just like every other unit that activates - such as a Chapter Master giving full rerolls instead of the reroll 1's to a selected CORE unit. At least we can actually select non-CORE units with our ability! Even if only once per game - that's something no one else can yet do.

 Yarium wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

You're just going to have to plan out how you use it. Y'know, meticulously!

Seriously, it never stops with GW. They have to over cook everything. This isn't a unique ability, it's a tired old one from the start of 8th. So they try to make it seem fresh by overly restricting it and over complicating the timing of it. Good rules design right there lmao

His reroll bubble is ongoing, like most others. His "activated ability" is Command Phase, just like every other unit that activates - such as a Chapter Master giving full rerolls instead of the reroll 1's to a selected CORE unit. At least we can actually select non-CORE units with our ability! Even if only once per game - that's something no one else can yet do.

What passive re-roll ability? The article doesn't show what your suggesting. It literally only shows meticulous planner as being a targeted buff.


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 Ordana wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Wow, so the primus seems like junk lol. The ability procs in the command phase, so if I'm ambushing, I can't use it, and if I'm using trucks and transporting, I can't use it...

Meanwhile every other faction with this ability not only has this in aura form which is better, but it's a passive trait that isn't tied to the command phase.


He was originally designed for aiding in ambushes and actually was incredibly valuable, now he is just a dork with a situational aura, oops! Sorry, targeted ability that I can apparently pay points into so one time in the game I can theoretically give it to two units.

Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

Also that heroic intervention strat is one of the worst intervention strats they have produced. Instead of just giving strat to herioc intervene with a unit near the 3 said models they had to add the additional stipulation that those characters already have to be engaged, except this happens in your opponents turn so unless your playing fast and loose and exposing those 3 characters this is never coming into play lol.

The intervention strat looks designed to allow you to save a character if the opponent manages to find a gap to charge them (because with the intervene you presumably get close enough for Unquestionable Loyalty.

Right, which the scenario I was speaking of where you exposed one of 3 specific character models to be the targets of charges. The conditions for that strat are terrible IMO.

 Yarium wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

You're just going to have to plan out how you use it. Y'know, meticulously!

Seriously, it never stops with GW. They have to over cook everything. This isn't a unique ability, it's a tired old one from the start of 8th. So they try to make it seem fresh by overly restricting it and over complicating the timing of it. Good rules design right there lmao

His reroll bubble is ongoing, like most others. His "activated ability" is Command Phase, just like every other unit that activates - such as a Chapter Master giving full rerolls instead of the reroll 1's to a selected CORE unit. At least we can actually select non-CORE units with our ability! Even if only once per game - that's something no one else can yet do.

He has no bubble.

He can give 1 core-unit a re-roll 1s to wound in the command phase.

Also, there's an upgrade purchase available (yes, similar to a Chapter Master), that gives him a once-a-game glow up of his ability (decidedly weaker than the Chapter Master equivalent, even if it weren't a once-a-game-thing, which Chapter Master isn't either)

Sunny Side Up wrote:
He has no bubble.

He can give 1 core-unit a re-roll 1s to wound in the command phase.

Also, there's an upgrade purchase available (yes, similar to a Chapter Master), that gives him a once-a-game glow up of his ability (decidedly weaker than the Chapter Master equivalent, even if it weren't a once-a-game-thing, which Chapter Master isn't either)

From the Shadowthrone box (which we can assume are what his new rules are, and which match up exactly with what has been released so far, because this box was supposed to drop at the same time as the codex):

Cult Demagogue [Aura]: While a friendly <CULT> CORE unit is within 6" of this model, each time a model in that unit makes an attack, re-roll a hit roll of 1.


So yes, he has an aura - a "bubble".

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Somebody tell me I'm missing something here...

You're just going to have to plan out how you use it. Y'know, meticulously!

I do love when they lampshade their abilities by mocking how stupid they are (in this case the article mocking planning for 'feral mutants')
But the lampshade doesn't make it not stupid.

 Matrindur wrote:


Also I wasn't trying to say faction terrain is dead and we won't be getting anything else ever, just that I would have actually liked every army to get one and that may have been the plan once but doesn't seem to be the case anymore

That was assumption when those started first time appearing with ork mek workshop etc. Didnt pan out.

There was also assumption in AOS all would get it and endless spells. Neither have appeared for all.

Here are the points and point upgrades from the new codex and its just pure GSC units, no Guard units or the Tectonic Fragdrill

 Matrindur wrote:

Spoiler:

Here are the points and point upgrades from the new codex and its just pure GSC units, no Guard units or the Tectonic Fragdrill

Thanks, that pretty much confirms the other rumours on pg14 then

Edit:

Abominant -15pts and moved to Elites
Alphus +5pts
Iconward +15pts
Magus -5pts
Patriarch +5pts
Primus -5pts

Acolytes 8ppm > 9ppm

Aberrants flat 30ppm, no weapon choices
Clamavus -10pts
Locus +5pts
Nexos -5pts
Metamorphs 13ppm > 12ppm
Purestrain 15ppm > 14ppm
Sanctus +5pts

Ridgerunner +10pts

Goliath Rockgrinder +15pts
Goliath Truck +15pts

That does not seem to bad. Handflamer acolytes up to 12 points

Truck up to 90 hurts.

20 shotgun Neophytes with lying in wait is only 140. (I do not know if they need lying in wait.)

Our time is nigh is a cute one for 10 points.

But where did our heavy support slot go? I suddenly own a guard detachment.

Unit sizes have changed. Neophytes, Acolytes and Metamorphs are 5-15... (wait what?...)

Jackals are max 8+2 wolfquads

edit: according to discord, Neophytes are still 10-20, it's a typo.

Is is day minus 8, and we already have an FAQ for a typo?

1 heavy support option? We are being spoiled. The removal of 6 datasheets to be replaced by 1 is absolute rubbish. Guess it saves me 25 to 30 quid on buying the codex.

Kitane wrote:
Unit sizes have changed. Neophytes, Acolytes and Metamorphs are 5-15... (wait what?...)

Jackals are max 8+2 wolfquads

edit: according to discord, Neophytes are still 10-20, it's a typo.

I can believe Neophytes being capped at 15 - that way they're still stuck with 2 Heavy & 2 Special Weapons per unit.

Neophytes (and Acolytes) are 5-15 so you can't do 20 ^^.
Why 15? Probably to not have to put in double the heavy weapons at 20? I donno.

Lying in wait for 20 seems acceptable tho. It really helps with threatening objectives.

Planner at 15 feel garbage.

Trap sprung, 15 points for 3d6, highest 2 charge. If I'm correct thats about a 50% chance to make a 9" charge. Which is not reliable enough in my opinion. If +1 to charge from 4AE still exists it goes up to 70%. might be good enough

15 for Perfect Ambush with an acolyte unit full of flamers feels like good value just for the +1 to wound.

From every angle, What is the point of this? Isn't Cult ambush strickly better? Is it just to reserve more then 50%? prob don't want to pay points for that.

extra power for 15 points, if you can't cast more, what is the point?

Excavate, feels like very expensive for 20 points. Tho 1 unit might be worth it in a shooting army to nerf a key terrain piece in your opponents deployment zone?

Came from Below, if we have a source of advance and charge this could be a fun turn 1 charge that you can reserve instead if the opportunity is not there.

Time is Nigh, Fun on a big unit but a reliable charge is much much more important.

All the stuff getting more expensive has me very worried tho. GSC are not good currently and I don't think we have really seen anything that would warrent a higher price for so many units.
Getting +1T on Acolytes isn't going to significantly change the math.

More pages

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/07/obliterate-enemies-of-the-cult-with-these-souped-up-industrial-weapons/

Aberrants +1 T and W

Obliterate Enemies of the Cult with These Souped-up Industrial Weapons - WarCom

Time to paint up some neophytes with Seismic Cannons I guess.

Damn for a moment I thought this meant Abberrants going to T6, but its only T5.

But does this mean the -1 to hit is gone from the Heavy Power Weapon? If so that's nice.

Who ever write those articles are getting so little assistance. Mining lasers already where Dd6. The original codex had different entries for it and it was erataed to Dd6. Although the neophyte entry said Dd3.

That asiside it looks like we might be getting there.

I can't say I'm a big fan of the fact we now have to pay CP to continue taking our only proper Heavy Support choice in cult LRs.

I'm guessing there's no freebee detachments for that.

Are you talking about the leman russ or the heavy weapon teams?

I quite preferred the rock grinder in a transport heavy list.

 Niiai wrote:
Are you talking about the leman russ or the heavy weapon teams?

I quite preferred the rock grinder in a transport heavy list.

I preferred having the option of either or both. The heavy support slot has seen a 66.6 recurring% reduction in options, 33.3% in troops, 33.3% in fast attack, 50% in transports. In an era when the Marine codex is full to the seams of multiple options, many to the point of redundancy, I am not sure why the GSC codex has been gutted. There are already so few GSC armies out there...this is not going to help that.

What would help that would be a cheap source of GSC models. Let's hoped the combat patroll is good. :-)

I'd really like to see subfactions at this point, the melee half of that strat is worthless for Twisted Helix as it's currently written: we are already past the S9 breakpoint for all industrial melee weapons, unless the squad leader power picks are one (but who would spend cp on that?!).