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I just read it as all weapons. But if there is a sublist of industrial weapons it is jot as good. (I imagined S5 shotguns with D2.)

it says industrial weapons so yes I assume there will be a sublist of what industrial weapons are (most likely the Mining Laser/Seismic cannon/Drill/Cutter/Saw

Isn't there a Heavy version of the Mining Laser/Seismic Cannon?

Given the way that the slots have worked out is GSC now the most elite army in the game?

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
Given the way that the slots have worked out is GSC now the most elite army in the game?

Not even remotely close.

 Niiai wrote:
What would help that would be a cheap source of GSC models. Let's hoped the combat patroll is good. :-)

I saw that points list and with the guard unit removal all I thought was "they're going to continue being the most prohibitively expensive army in the game" I'm not really sure who they're aimed at any more daft as that sounds.

Damn, that hivecult seems very strong. I'm already thinking at 3x10 neophytes from deep strike to the centre of the board, supported by characters, and then sprinkle small units with lying in wait from deep strike to expose enemy units.

Only just realised. "From Every Angle" says it allows turn 1 deepstrike because it counts as 1 turn later for Strategic Reserves, but does this overwrite the Match Play specific rule that prohibits turn 1 deepstrikes?

That is a good question. I guess it will be FAQed. After all a lot of models can deeps trike T1, but matched play keeps them from doing so. The drop pod bypasses this of course.

But if GSC has some form of innate deeps trike and can deeps trike where they want turn 2 anyway I would suspect that it is there to allow T1 shenanigans. But we lack to much information.

Man they cocked up the points again... Geeeeze.... A 10 man neophyte squad with two grenade launchers and 2 mining lasers in a truck was 165 and now has ballooned to 190...

Sure the truck has a 3+ save, and the unit crossfire, but that unit wasn't moving mountains or mole hills in all my test games recently using the new previewed rules and it just evaporates to any attention.

Really disappointing that the Goliaths got point increases, rugged construction had better be extremely powerful to justify that.

Looks like abberants are probably the number one melee option, unless purestrains edge them out.

I love all the unit upgrades, but again, points seem steep as hell and for some reason don't scale with unit size. I understand why excavate would have a flat cost, but surely lying in wait or perfect ambush etc should all have a certain price per 'x' models rather then a flat cost.

The characters are all very pricey too, really hoping they all got heavy reworks.

 Ordana wrote:
Only just realised. "From Every Angle" says it allows turn 1 deepstrike because it counts as 1 turn later for Strategic Reserves, but does this overwrite the Match Play specific rule that prohibits turn 1 deepstrikes?

The second bullet point specifies that the unit can arrive at first turn... From the strategic reserve. So no deep strike.

Niiai wrote:That is a good question. I guess it will be FAQed. After all a lot of models can deeps trike T1, but matched play keeps them from doing so. The drop pod bypasses this of course.

But if GSC has some form of innate deeps trike and can deeps trike where they want turn 2 anyway I would suspect that it is there to allow T1 shenanigans. But we lack to much information.

Ordana wrote:Only just realised. "From Every Angle" says it allows turn 1 deepstrike because it counts as 1 turn later for Strategic Reserves, but does this overwrite the Match Play specific rule that prohibits turn 1 deepstrikes?

I don't think this needs a FAQ. Specific over rides general. I think it's fully intentional otherwise whats the point in the upgrade? Everything has to be in the swimming pool by T3, so it guess you could remain off until turn 4? That would not be a very goo benefit and strictly worse then reentering reserve like nearly every book can do.

I think the ability isn't even that good in 9th, in fact I think it's needed to help keep an army of chaf in the game. Reserving much of your army with GSC in 9th can be an auto loss going second currently as the small table then allows them two movement phases to block the table off. 9/10 times you end up back in your deployment zone filling in the holes from your dead deployed models lol.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Man they cocked up the points again... Geeeeze.... A 10 man neophyte squad with two grenade launchers and 2 mining lasers in a truck was 165 and now has ballooned to 190...

Sure the truck has a 3+ save, and the unit crossfire, but that unit wasn't moving mountains or mole hills in all my test games recently using the new previewed rules and it just evaporates to any attention.

Really disappointing that the Goliaths got point increases, rugged construction had better be extremely powerful to justify that.

Looks like abberants are probably the number one melee option, unless purestrains edge them out.

I love all the unit upgrades, but again, points seem steep as hell and for some reason don't scale with unit size. I understand why excavate would have a flat cost, but surely lying in wait or perfect ambush etc should all have a certain price per 'x' models rather then a flat cost.

The characters are all very pricey too, really hoping they all got heavy reworks.

Purestrains are apparently -1ppm, 4++, with rending claws changing to flat AP-3 and +1 damage on a 6.

Rugged construction is now -1D. There's also WS3+ on the rockgrinder and general weapon improvements such as flat damage:

Wow that rockgrinder is awesome. A much better carnifex who can transport!
Also purestrains sound nasty.

Hmmm, not sure thats what they needed, if bladed cog is still a 6++ and everything has it, that would help the trucks quite a bit.

Really hilarious (sad) the cache of demo charges still requires a unit on board the vehicle yet costs points as an upgrade. Why not just tack it on for free for flavor?

A was hoping the grinder did mortals as impacts, considering mobile trash heap buggies got it for orks I figured it would happen on the one heavy choice in the entire book. It might be a strat, but that isn't the same.

I do like the rock grinder quite a bit, sad mine all have the incinerator as it's clearly the worst option. In fact I am not sure how much more obvious they could have made the choice for the seizemic canon lmao.

Purestrains do seem gross. its 2 for 28 which is less then the 30 for an ab... not sure who is better although the ab seems more tuned for it's purpose.

 Spreelock wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
Only just realised. "From Every Angle" says it allows turn 1 deepstrike because it counts as 1 turn later for Strategic Reserves, but does this overwrite the Match Play specific rule that prohibits turn 1 deepstrikes?

The second bullet point specifies that the unit can arrive at first turn... From the strategic reserve. So no deep strike.

yes, my fault for use deepstrike as a catch all term I guess.

My issue is that the rules say

In Grand Tournament 2021 missions, Strategic
Reserve and Reinforcement units can never
arrive on the battlefield in the first battle round

The 'base' rules allow turn 1 reinforcements and would allow turn 1 strategic reserve with the 'counts as 1 turn later' from 'From Every Angle'.
But does this also overwrite the specific GT mission rule that prevent all Reinforcement and Strategic Reserve on turn 1.

I don't think this is as simple as 'specific overwrites general' because many codexes have 'specific' rules for Reinforcements that don't exclude turn 1 because the base rules don't prevent turn 1 Reinforcements.
The Drop Pod on the other hand specifically says "ignore any mission rules". From Every Angle, does not include that wording.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Niiai wrote:That is a good question. I guess it will be FAQed. After all a lot of models can deeps trike T1, but matched play keeps them from doing so. The drop pod bypasses this of course.

But if GSC has some form of innate deeps trike and can deeps trike where they want turn 2 anyway I would suspect that it is there to allow T1 shenanigans. But we lack to much information.

Ordana wrote:Only just realised. "From Every Angle" says it allows turn 1 deepstrike because it counts as 1 turn later for Strategic Reserves, but does this overwrite the Match Play specific rule that prohibits turn 1 deepstrikes?

I don't think this needs a FAQ. Specific over rides general. I think it's fully intentional otherwise whats the point in the upgrade? Everything has to be in the swimming pool by T3, so it guess you could remain off until turn 4? That would not be a very goo benefit and strictly worse then reentering reserve like nearly every book can do.

I think the ability isn't even that good in 9th, in fact I think it's needed to help keep an army of chaf in the game. Reserving much of your army with GSC in 9th can be an auto loss going second currently as the small table then allows them two movement phases to block the table off. 9/10 times you end up back in your deployment zone filling in the holes from your dead deployed models lol.

You might be right but here was my thinking.

The reserve stratagem does not allow you to come on turn one usually, but the GSC pushes this up one turn.

There are many units that can deep strike (start in teleport Homer, hide on the battlefield, etc ( a narrative justification. )) However, what is keeping these deep strike units from coming on turn one are the mission rules. The same rules that keep them from deeps tricking turn one will also prevent GSC to come in turn 1.

I don't claim any certainty on this subject at the moment. Somebody more into the rules then me would have to hash it out.

Edit: I see others are thinking the same thing.

But is not the reserve stratagem quite bad? The places we can come on are quite bad. (One notable exception, we can get on our deployment zone within 6 of the enemy I believe.)


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Have anybody seen and chances of charging from reserve? I see we can charge 3d6 discard lowest. And four armed emperor let's us re-roll the charge. But we need something more to make it more reliable.


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So this Zara Kane is hitting them out of the ballpark. All sorts of leaks.

https://youtu.be/W8SQUUR7xkk

some more leaks. All the cults and custom traits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8SQUUR7xkk&feature=youtu.be

4 armed emperor seems strong with melee units from reserve when paired with the upgrade for 3d6 pick the two highest.

I am really liking the pauper princes though, that relic for 5++ aura is pretty solid.

 Red Corsair wrote:
4 armed emperor seems strong with melee units from reserve when paired with the upgrade for 3d6 pick the two highest.

I am really liking the pauper princes though, that relic for 5++ aura is pretty solid.

The old +1 charge distance was better imo because that still left the option to CP re-roll

 Ordana wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
4 armed emperor seems strong with melee units from reserve when paired with the upgrade for 3d6 pick the two highest.

I am really liking the pauper princes though, that relic for 5++ aura is pretty solid.

The old +1 charge distance was better imo because that still left the option to CP re-roll

Sure but in the comments there is still a way to get an 8" charge apparently and I'd rather have a reroll for everything.

I think the custom cult mechanic is the best one yet for 9th. Finally they managed to find a way to apply balance to the different values of abilities.

I saw a leak of the rules that said that every model set up underground could either deep strike outside of 8" instead of 9" or outside of 6" but cant charge.

Genestealer Cults - 22 datasheets (112-page total):


Adeptus Custodes - 20 datasheets (104-page total):



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EDIT: And the blips are still a thing...

Bago wrote:
I saw a leak of the rules that said that every model set up underground could either deep strike outside of 8" instead of 9" or outside of 6" but cant charge.

Yes. In addition, any unit that has an ability that is activated in the command phase can activate it once per game after arriving as reinforcements in the movement phase.

 Ordana wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
4 armed emperor seems strong with melee units from reserve when paired with the upgrade for 3d6 pick the two highest.

I am really liking the pauper princes though, that relic for 5++ aura is pretty solid.

The old +1 charge distance was better imo because that still left the option to CP re-roll

Well, I have good news: Everyone has that.

Part of Cult Ambush is that all units can set up outside 8", or outside 6" but can't charge.

Everyone gets the +1 charge distance. And also, you can bring an Iconward for a second +1", and if you really want, buy the upgrade for 3d6" take the highest 2 charge.

 the_scotsman wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
4 armed emperor seems strong with melee units from reserve when paired with the upgrade for 3d6 pick the two highest.

I am really liking the pauper princes though, that relic for 5++ aura is pretty solid.

The old +1 charge distance was better imo because that still left the option to CP re-roll

Well, I have good news: Everyone has that.

Part of Cult Ambush is that all units can set up outside 8", or outside 6" but can't charge.

Everyone gets the +1 charge distance. And also, you can bring an Iconward for a second +1", and if you really want, buy the upgrade for 3d6" take the highest 2 charge.

Where did you find that info? The leaks seemed to have dried up for whatever reason.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Really hilarious (sad) the cache of demo charges still requires a unit on board the vehicle yet costs points as an upgrade. Why not just tack it on for free for flavor?

Look on the bright side, the upgrade could have changed into a Keyword that gives you access to a 1 CP 'Cache of Demo Charges' strat instead, like so many other pieces of vehicle equipment.

 Niiai wrote:
I just read it as all weapons. But if there is a sublist of industrial weapons it is jot as good. (I imagined S5 shotguns with D2.)

Another instance where using the keyword system on weapons when they introduced it in 8th for units would've been a smart idea - would've been crystal clear which weapons it applied to by looking to see if the keyword INDUSTRIAL was in there.

As it is, there's probably a list in the book confirming which they are - or I hope there is, anyway.

Here are both Combat Patrols:

Custodes


Custodian Guard

Vertus Praetors

2x Sisters of Silence

GSC


If I count correctly thats:

2x Neophyte Hybrids

Acolyte Hybrids/Hybrid Metamorphs

Aberrants

Magus

Goliath Rockgrinder/Goliath Truck

which would be the best Combat Patrol up to now price wise

Oh my word I am so happy with this GSC box. Truck, abbs, and a new commander, it's all I was hoping for