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What's happening with the release schedule is exactly what you'd expect if all your stuff was in containers in China that get loaded, shipped, unloaded and processed at random rates outside your control.

As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

Da Red Gobbo is on this weeks price list £23.50 available to preorder from Saturday until 30th December, must have been a very last minute decision to release it this week.

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

There was one around Christmas last year, it will probably the same this year.

I think people might have had slightly unreleastic expectations if they thought any individual event was going to show more than the next two 40k codexes, two entire boxed games, the next Battletome, an Underworlds team and a HH Primarch. They do these things often enough now that actually seems quite good to me?

Kill Team weren't going to get anything before the already announced box gets released.

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

Necromunda still has stuff in the pipeline from the last reveals at GenCon. Book, civvy gang and the market place. I imagine we won’t hear anything on new stuff until that is in our sweaty mitts.

Yeah Kill Team is just out now, and the next Necromunda gang is due this month according to the roadmap. If they keep following the every 3 month release schedule for both games it would fit well to have a December preview for something new in Feb.

I'm a bit less confident on Titanicus as that seems to be only every 6 months now :(

 Dysartes wrote:
Quick unrelated question about the Khan, while I'm thinking about it - is there a mounted profile for him, as well as this on foot version? My mind's eye expected him to be on a bike or jetbike, not on foot you see.

Yes - he has Afoot & Mounted rules in Book 8 - Malevolence.


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 DaveC wrote:
Da Red Gobbo is on this weeks price list £23.50 available to preorder from Saturday until 30th December, must have been a very last minute decision to release it this week.

And his WarCom article is now up - Da Red Gobbo Is Here to Lead Da Christmas Revolushun With an Exclusive New Miniature.

 Overread wrote:
I do sometimes wonder if GW's marketing department ever gets reliable/regular info from the department in charge of releases. I do agree sometimes they seem to shoot themselves in the foot or just not announce something.

Then again perhaps it was simply so that Sunday's news had actual news in it that was new information. Part of GW's strategy might be breaking up the news so that each slot has fresh information so that you're encouraged to keep up with the site every day.

This man uses REASON! And probably MATH as well! CANCEL HIM!

 The Phazer wrote:

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

There was one around Christmas last year, it will probably the same this year.

I think people might have had slightly unreleastic expectations if they thought any individual event was going to show more than the next two 40k codexes, two entire boxed games, the next Battletome, an Underworlds team and a HH Primarch. They do these things often enough now that actually seems quite good to me?

Kill Team weren't going to get anything before the already announced box gets released.

It was just boringly safe for lack of a better term. For their 2 biggest game systems they showed off as many books as new models and only revealed stuff they aim to sell anything between 7 and ~49 days later or was previously announced in some capacity.

A good example: we know for a fact Tau have a codex next year, GW confirmed that. Yet their big reveal session was basically the 2 books before it which seems... backwards.

 The Phazer wrote:

 xttz wrote:
As well as Tau / Darkstrider model, there was also a notable absence for games like Necromunda, Kill Team, Titanicus, etc.

We know that most of what was shown on Saturday is set to be out before the end of 2021. That implies that early 2022 releases should be unveiled in another preview event over the holiday period.

There was one around Christmas last year, it will probably the same this year.

I think people might have had slightly unreleastic expectations if they thought any individual event was going to show more than the next two 40k codexes, two entire boxed games, the next Battletome, an Underworlds team and a HH Primarch. They do these things often enough now that actually seems quite good to me?

Kill Team weren't going to get anything before the already announced box gets released.

Personally, the dissapointement was that they didnt gave us any info on the next big release for either system. Seeing a model for the upcoming eldar or csm would have hyped me a lot more. Not to mention that the end teaser was absolutely pathetic. I was expecting them to hint at a huge releass, not some clownish christmas goblins

. But well, at the end of the day, it's no big deal

I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of content that was shown. It's a lot of stuff even if you want to parse the distinctions between AoS/WarCry/Underworlds.

My major gripe is the format. Why Adam and Eddie? Why waste the 10-15 minutes saying basically nothing about the products? "If like me you're of a certain vintage..."

They get ~20K streamers for an hour or so? Wouldn't a tighter schedule likely get more people watching a replay on YouTube?

If they're going to keep these sessions at an hour long, why not try to make the content interesting? E.g., invite the sculptors or scenery designers on to talk about what's cool in the new sets? Have the painters join and talk about how they arrived at the purple/yellow/teal scheme for the new spider guys. Have a concept artist in.

Or instead of showing box art and mini pics, have a 2-minute peek at the new Warcry band in action, or a few turns showing off the Underworld warband's coolest combo.

Basically anything. There's a lot of stuff there, but not an hour's worth. Either tighten up, or invest more in the programming.

All great suggestions Flaherty. I recall the last big Tomb Kings release GW posted some interviews with the rules writers and model designers explaining what their motives had been when coming up with certain designs etc, it was pretty interesting and I'd like to hear more about the design process especially now that Underworlds and to an extent, Warcry have introduced lots of weird and wonderful warbands and individuals that wouldn't have made it as a part of the larger AoS range.

Anyway, all old news. I've a feeling it's all going to be forgotten with the latest hotness around the corner... which should be the inevitable Christmas battleforce leaks, which are early November usually no?

 flaherty wrote:
I'm pretty satisfied with the amount of content that was shown. It's a lot of stuff even if you want to parse the distinctions between AoS/WarCry/Underworlds.

My major gripe is the format. Why Adam and Eddie? Why waste the 10-15 minutes saying basically nothing about the products? "If like me you're of a certain vintage..."

They get ~20K streamers for an hour or so? Wouldn't a tighter schedule likely get more people watching a replay on YouTube?

If they're going to keep these sessions at an hour long, why not try to make the content interesting? E.g., invite the sculptors or scenery designers on to talk about what's cool in the new sets? Have the painters join and talk about how they arrived at the purple/yellow/teal scheme for the new spider guys. Have a concept artist in.

Or instead of showing box art and mini pics, have a 2-minute peek at the new Warcry band in action, or a few turns showing off the Underworld warband's coolest combo.

Basically anything. There's a lot of stuff there, but not an hour's worth. Either tighten up, or invest more in the programming.

I think GW has some weird marketing people who genuinely think if they have Adam call everything "Incredible" enough that people will actually believe, yes, a GW staffer literally called something incredible and that means by all laws of the universe IT IS and therefore must go out and buy it.

Joyboozer wrote:
I look forward to other companies Warhammer day, featuring miniatures that aren’t AoS miniatures, but that can be used in AoS, technically making them AoS releases.

Warcry is literally branded as Warhammer age of sigmar : Warcry. Just as Kill team is branded Warhammer 40000 : killteam.

I mean I know people don't use full titles, but those 2 games are actually marked as part of the wider brands.

At the end of the day if 100 people look at all that stuff you would probably get 100 views on what was shown. It is just perception, I don't claim HBMC was wrong, he just see's it as he does; but neither are those who see it differently.

Dudeface wrote:


A good example: we know for a fact Tau have a codex next year, GW confirmed that. Yet their big reveal session was basically the 2 books before it which seems... backwards.

So they should reveal tau but not the other 2?

Dunno. Revealing next year codex before this year seems odd logic. 2 blanks on december and then tau.

puree wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I look forward to other companies Warhammer day, featuring miniatures that aren’t AoS miniatures, but that can be used in AoS, technically making them AoS releases.

Warcry is literally branded as Warhammer age of sigmar : Warcry. Just as Kill team is branded Warhammer 40000 : killteam.

I mean I know people don't use full titles, but those 2 games are actually marked as part of the wider brands.

At the end of the day if 100 people look at all that stuff you would probably get 100 views on what was shown. It is just perception, I don't claim HBMC was wrong, he just see's it as he does; but neither are those who see it differently.

I think if you look at it as "I'm a big AoS fan, I'm excited for some releases!" and your takeaway is the age of sigmar section: 1 new model and a book that's now 2 months late on paper, but hey there's a limited release £200 box with some chaos guys in with ham fisted unit entries, that sucks.

Dudeface wrote:

I think if you look at it as "I'm a big AoS fan, I'm excited for some releases!" and your takeaway is the age of sigmar section: 1 new model and a book that's now 2 months late on paper, but hey there's a limited release £200 box with some chaos guys in with ham fisted unit entries, that sucks.

Book was slated for October. It's a month late, maybe two if it goes until December.

And frankly, everything sucks right now. It's not just on the GW side...although for AoS they've been hit kinda hard and nobody really seems to know why the Dragons arguably one of the BIG highlights of this cycle of releases have been delayed so heavily.

It's amazing in any regards how quickly people forget how much of a mess last year was, post-Indomitus release.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

I think if you look at it as "I'm a big AoS fan, I'm excited for some releases!" and your takeaway is the age of sigmar section: 1 new model and a book that's now 2 months late on paper, but hey there's a limited release £200 box with some chaos guys in with ham fisted unit entries, that sucks.

Book was slated for October. It's a month late, maybe two if it goes until December.

And frankly, everything sucks right now. It's not just on the GW side...although for AoS they've been hit kinda hard and nobody really seems to know why the Dragons arguably one of the BIG highlights of this cycle of releases have been delayed so heavily.

It's amazing in any regards how quickly people forget how much of a mess last year was, post-Indomitus release.

Definitely December at best:

Mark your calendars for December, when we expect the new battletome to arrive

Last year was a mess but I think it was a more understandable mess. I fully understand the world is still in a shambles but a lot of life has picked back up and returned to some large degree of normality in a many places, so for GW to be running a height of covid type preview feels out of place if nothing else.

There's a perception that life has picked back up and returned to normal, certainly.

That's a whole other issue though. The reality seems to be that it really hasn't and there's bottlenecks every few steps for things, even where Brexit hasn't wrecked things.

International shipping is likely broken for years as they have huge backlogs to clear; new containers to build/supply. IT doesn't help that shipping was built on "just in time" theory. So a week or a month or two months delay suddenly causes cascade problems.

Companies can end up with product and no boxes to ship it in; they can end up with products for one season so late they miss the season entirely; they can end up with increased running costs that impact retail prices which impacts potential market uptake.

This is before you add covid on top causing slower work rates at many sites using covid safe practice; and then the added problems of local shut downs due to staff being off sick/isolated to prevent infection.


Yes companies can still run - its not like the first year where companies had to fully shut down unless they were essential; but we are far from being out of the woods.

Dudeface wrote:
for GW to be running a height of covid type preview feels out of place if nothing else.

As I said earlier in the thread even if things were back to normal right now (which they're clearly not, as shown by ongoing AOS delays) then GW are still subject to the knock-on effect of schedule disruptions from earlier this year. We had virtually every 40k book from Dark Angels & AdMech pushed back by 1-3 months. Logically that means that if everything had gone to plan we'd probably have already seen Shadow Throne and related codexes in stores before Warhammer Day.

I bet if you went back to the start of 2021 and asked GW what they planned to show off at each preview event, most of this stuff would have been unveiled at or before Gencon. Warhammer Day itself would have been earmarked for whatever is now coming in February / March 2022

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
for GW to be running a height of covid type preview feels out of place if nothing else.

As I said earlier in the thread even if things were back to normal right now (which they're clearly not, as shown by ongoing AOS delays) then GW are still subject to the knock-on effect of schedule disruptions from earlier this year. We had virtually every 40k book from Dark Angels & AdMech pushed back by 1-3 months. Logically that means that if everything had gone to plan we'd probably have already seen Shadow Throne and related codexes in stores before Warhammer Day.

I bet if you went back to the start of 2021 and asked GW what they planned to show off at each preview event, most of this stuff would have been unveiled at or before Gencon. Warhammer Day itself would have been earmarked for whatever is now coming in February / March 2022

That's all good and well but then I just have to question why they bothered in essence. I'm usually very supportive of them on the whole but this one feels off even to me. The current pre-orders, the slightly hollow previews, the leaks detailing that people knew all their was coming back in August which GW must have been aware of.

There's so much room there to either hype the future up beyond 2021, or given they basically just gave us the next few weeks community articles in presentation form, just don't bother? Sorry if it sounds glum, but a half baked press event is probably less useful than carrying on as normal.

 Scrub wrote:
All great suggestions Flaherty. I recall the last big Tomb Kings release GW posted some interviews with the rules writers and model designers explaining what their motives had been when coming up with certain designs etc, it was pretty interesting and I'd like to hear more about the design process especially now that Underworlds and to an extent, Warcry have introduced lots of weird and wonderful warbands and individuals that wouldn't have made it as a part of the larger AoS range.

Anyway, all old news. I've a feeling it's all going to be forgotten with the latest hotness around the corner... which should be the inevitable Christmas battleforce leaks, which are early November usually no?

Yep, we should know the battleforce contents within a fortnight. These have been the announcement dates since the tradition began:


2016 – November 15th

2017 – November 19th

2018 – November 5th (Two were teased on Warcom on Oct 28)

2019 – November 15th

2020 – November 16th

If you want a reminder of what the contents of any of the boxes were, I collected the links here: https://www.tga.community/forums/topic/22826-the-rumour-thread/?do=findComment&comment=555370

Don't think its been mentioned so I'll say it - maybe some of you guys should keep today in mind (as well as previous lead ups to preview streams) and stop trying to "read tea leaves" and look for hints (i.e. - create your own hype) in the community posts leading up to the preview.

How many of those "hints" that y'all were looking for in those tarot cards and other posts Warcom made over the past week actually come to fruition?

Pirate Ogres and WarCry happened.

Also Dungeon Bowl and Nurgle.

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
for GW to be running a height of covid type preview feels out of place if nothing else.

As I said earlier in the thread even if things were back to normal right now (which they're clearly not, as shown by ongoing AOS delays) then GW are still subject to the knock-on effect of schedule disruptions from earlier this year. We had virtually every 40k book from Dark Angels & AdMech pushed back by 1-3 months. Logically that means that if everything had gone to plan we'd probably have already seen Shadow Throne and related codexes in stores before Warhammer Day.

I bet if you went back to the start of 2021 and asked GW what they planned to show off at each preview event, most of this stuff would have been unveiled at or before Gencon. Warhammer Day itself would have been earmarked for whatever is now coming in February / March 2022

That's all good and well but then I just have to question why they bothered in essence. I'm usually very supportive of them on the whole but this one feels off even to me. The current pre-orders, the slightly hollow previews, the leaks detailing that people knew all their was coming back in August which GW must have been aware of.

There's so much room there to either hype the future up beyond 2021, or given they basically just gave us the next few weeks community articles in presentation form, just don't bother? Sorry if it sounds glum, but a half baked press event is probably less useful than carrying on as normal.

As weird as it might sound forum goers aren't majority. For majority these were new.

If gw can't preview if things get leaked to minority you are saying gw should never ever preview anything. So ok. Zero previews ever again. Better?

 Kanluwen wrote:
Pirate Ogres and WarCry happened.

Also Dungeon Bowl and Nurgle.

Did anyone actually guess Pirate Ogres, as opposed to Zombpirates/Vampirates?

Warcry was a given, we didn't need to look at tarot cards for that, they told us outright warcry would be previewed, as well as blood bowl (which I don't believe anyone actually guessed "dungeon bowl" specifically as a thing).

I don't recall seeing AoS Nurgle as being anyones guess based on one of these various hints, I think someone said they hoped to see it because Nurgle needed the help, but thats about it.

I think someone called Pirate Ogres based on the silhouettes at the start of the week.

Another person, IIRC, called Nurgle based on the weird Chaos Star+map countdown bit.

tneva82 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
for GW to be running a height of covid type preview feels out of place if nothing else.

As I said earlier in the thread even if things were back to normal right now (which they're clearly not, as shown by ongoing AOS delays) then GW are still subject to the knock-on effect of schedule disruptions from earlier this year. We had virtually every 40k book from Dark Angels & AdMech pushed back by 1-3 months. Logically that means that if everything had gone to plan we'd probably have already seen Shadow Throne and related codexes in stores before Warhammer Day.

I bet if you went back to the start of 2021 and asked GW what they planned to show off at each preview event, most of this stuff would have been unveiled at or before Gencon. Warhammer Day itself would have been earmarked for whatever is now coming in February / March 2022

That's all good and well but then I just have to question why they bothered in essence. I'm usually very supportive of them on the whole but this one feels off even to me. The current pre-orders, the slightly hollow previews, the leaks detailing that people knew all their was coming back in August which GW must have been aware of.

There's so much room there to either hype the future up beyond 2021, or given they basically just gave us the next few weeks community articles in presentation form, just don't bother? Sorry if it sounds glum, but a half baked press event is probably less useful than carrying on as normal.

As weird as it might sound forum goers aren't majority. For majority these were new.

If gw can't preview if things get leaked to minority you are saying gw should never ever preview anything. So ok. Zero previews ever again. Better?

No, I'd rather they previewed something that isn't either already previewed in their own articles or due for release 1 day after the preview. That's a complete waste. Show us something that's due out at the beginning of 2022, don't give it a date beyond "next year" but give us something unexpected and exciting.

Imagine if they'd dropped some stills of angron?