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 Kanluwen wrote:
Is the Psychic Awakening content in the codex?
No?

Then it's an updated appendix with psychic powers, WL traits, adaptations, and relics for everyone.

It's getting the PA stuff forward. It also contains the new Synaptic Link rules that we knew were coming.

Oh Kan... I should know not to wrestle with the pig in mud. And yet I will.

Eihnlazer was clearly celebrating the idea of net new rules. Blood of Baal content brought forward is not net new rules. And considering that book was basically a "get you by" to begin with, it's pretty lame to give Nids two "get you by" books in a row (especially since BoB didn't move the needle for Nids anyways)

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eihnlazer wrote:
Am I seeing this right?

Nids are getting updated appendix with psychic powers, WL traits, adaptations, and relics for everyone?

The powers of the hive mind needed an update for a while now so this could be pretty big for nids.

Correct. There's also the new Synaptic Link rules(92-94).

Hmmm...I must have missed where I said that all of the rules were new outside of the Synaptic Link rules.

But hey. Cool deal. Glad to know I've got someone reading my mind when I post.

You indicated Eihnlazer's conclusion was correct. It was not correct; the Blood of Baal rules he was referring to will not "be pretty big for Nids". Synaptic Link might be pretty big, we don't know yet. I am not optimistic.

I'm glad you're here to explain the intent behind posts made by other people.

It does seem odd that there's no Ork content in book 1, though it might appear in book 2 - and it opens up more of a gap after the 'dex release so as to avoid the "Day 1 DLC" complaints...

This release schedule is a joke.

Weird they didnt reprint the Imp greater good stuff. With GSC and Tau (propably) in December and January they could pull this off the store.

I was thinking the same. ~130 pages isn't absurdly large (especially for $60). And we know they're always looking for ways to reduce SKUs.

 Dysartes wrote:
It does seem odd that there's no Ork content in book 1, though it might appear in book 2 - and it opens up more of a gap after the 'dex release so as to avoid the "Day 1 DLC" complaints...

Orks have been kinda left out of the trends just at the right moments to be fethed over lol. We saw admech and dark eldar power creep, then the ork dex dropped and broke that curve. Now the first faction to not get its nice day 1 dlc.

What about SoB, DG, GK and Tsons? Don't recall them being particularly overpowered in the way that people have made Admech and Drukhari. Not trying to be confrontational or anything, just maybe suggesting that those two armies might be exceptions and that power creep isn't as bad as people have made it out to be.

I didn't love buying Pariah for the Inquisition rules after also buying the White Dwarf. I like sprinkling Inquisitors into my lists from time to time for flavour so I handed over the $50 CAD at my FLGS. Now they want me to buy a Campaign supplement to get, presumably, the same rules to be up to date?

Will I fall for the four pages of Cadian rules? I guess I did buy the first Vigilus book for two pages of Ravenwing rules so there is precedence. This would be, like, double that relevant content for me!

Nope. Gonna have to be strong on this one.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
It does seem odd that there's no Ork content in book 1, though it might appear in book 2 - and it opens up more of a gap after the 'dex release so as to avoid the "Day 1 DLC" complaints...

Orks have been kinda left out of the trends just at the right moments to be fethed over lol. We saw admech and dark eldar power creep, then the ork dex dropped and broke that curve. Now the first faction to not get its nice day 1 dlc.

But, but... Isn't less power creep & no Day 1 DLC what you all WANTED? I mean you all sure scream loud enough about how terrible it is that the AdMech & DE got this. And there's been plenty of demand that GW stop doing that.
But now it's bad that your wishes have come true?

Bago wrote:
Weird they didnt reprint the Imp greater good stuff. With GSC and Tau (propably) in December and January they could pull this off the store.

Because it's a campaign book, they could only do it if those factions are in the campaign; obviously, the Imperial content would be relevant, but I don't think T'au are in scope.

As for Inquisition:

When the WD dex was updated for Pariah, there few changes, but because the Inquisition has so little, every bit mattered. The PA dex was a marked improvement over the WD article. And that's what I'm hoping for. There are promising signs in the table of contents:

Currently, Inquisition have a rule that allows them to ride any Imperial vehicle. The rule's name is Authority of the Inquisition. It's one of the things I want to see updated; the problem with the rule as written is that while it allows units to ride in Imperial Vehicles that are a part of another Imperial detachment, there is no way to include vehicles of any kind in a pure Inquisition detachment.

You'll notice that the first entry in the Inquisition section is titled Limitless Authority. IF that is a reference to the rule and not just a catchy title, the new name for the rule implies the possibility of updated text which may allow Inquisitors to requisition Imperial transports for units in Inquisition detachments.

Just this one simple change could improve the playability of an Inquisition detachment tenfold.

Other simple updates that are possible:

As previously mentioned, only Inquisitors have the Imperial Agents rule. Granting it to other units would again, be a huge improvement- even if they only give it to Acolytes. I can see why they might: radical Inquisitors work with Jokaero and Daemonhosts, but other Imperial forces would object- especially Death Watch to Jokaero and GK to Daemonhosts... And DW and GK are Chambers Militant, so their opinions matter to the Inquisition. Again, this would REVOLUTIONIZE the Inquisition... and GW could do it with a single line of text.

Finally, Acolytes themselves:

Right now, you can take them in units of 1-6; if you take one, it gains the Character keyword. Either way, the unit is an Elites choice.

Now what I advocate is that character acolytes stay elite, and that squad acolytes become troops. I would also advocate that the character Acolytes get a slightly better profile. Now technically, looking at the table of contents, it's still possible GW will do this... But it's slimmer odds than the previous two suggestions, because we can see that there is only one unit entry for Acolytes. BUT given GW's penchant for unit upgrades over datasheets (ie. Master Archon/ Succubus/ Haemonculus, Trueborn, Blood Brides, Whiteshields, Blackshields, SM Masters, etc) it is still possible. This change would be the most amazing thing ever, because it would allow you to field an Inquisition Patrol, rather than needing to use a Vanguard, whose CP's are non-refundable even if it contains your Warlord.

If they also kicked out the 1 Inquisitor per detachment, you could even field a Battalion.

On a side note: this is the same update I want for SoS in the new Talons book, except there, they also need to create a datasheet for an SoS HQ (who doesn't need her big stwong Custodes boyfriend to accompany her). There, I suggest changing the Prosecutors (bolter sisters) to troops and keeping Witchseekers and Vigilators Elite. If they did this, they're guaranteed to sell me 3 boxes of SoS, the HQ and the dex. If they don't, I will buy NONE of those things. It should have been done in PA. They wouldn't have even needed a model- all they had to do was get Aleya right... But nope, she can't function without a boy... Nice messaging GW! It's so tone deaf it still makes me wanna scream and it's a year old mistake.

(SoS rant over.)

Anyway, really happy to hear that there is some cautious optimism. I'm prepared for the turn the thread might take should GW drop the ball because even I have to admit it's a strong possibility. But I'm going to enjoy the faint glimmer of hope while I can.

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
I didn't love buying Pariah for the Inquisition rules after also buying the White Dwarf. I like sprinkling Inquisitors into my lists from time to time for flavour so I handed over the $50 CAD at my FLGS. Now they want me to buy a Campaign supplement to get, presumably, the same rules to be up to date?

What??? You're discounting all those pages of great lore in that PA book?

 the_scotsman wrote:

Sterling191 wrote:
Fortification and Inquisition sections are going to be reprints of their 8th edition components.

The Deathwatch AoR is...intriguing. Perhaps that's where all the Primaris SIA got squirreled away.

Oh, theyre also including inquisition? 99.999% certain that's all reprinted now, Inquisition ALWAYS gets reprints.

Well...not a total reprint...no name generator!


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 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
It does seem odd that there's no Ork content in book 1, though it might appear in book 2 - and it opens up more of a gap after the 'dex release so as to avoid the "Day 1 DLC" complaints...

Orks have been kinda left out of the trends just at the right moments to be fethed over lol. We saw admech and dark eldar power creep, then the ork dex dropped and broke that curve. Now the first faction to not get its nice day 1 dlc.

TS and GK also do not have any DLC. Basically Admech, DE, and DG are the only ones to do so.

The Cadian one feels like it should have been that DLC. I wonder if the book was supposed to come out sooner with the Cadian kit redo. Probably not...feels weird though.

Kyria was a new datasheet and model for PA. There were also two new strats, and they were good too.

Lack of fluff comment though? Legit. In fact, Too Legit to Quit!

ccs wrote:

TangoTwoBravo wrote:
I didn't love buying Pariah for the Inquisition rules after also buying the White Dwarf. I like sprinkling Inquisitors into my lists from time to time for flavour so I handed over the $50 CAD at my FLGS. Now they want me to buy a Campaign supplement to get, presumably, the same rules to be up to date?

What??? You're discounting all those pages of great lore in that PA book?

Indeed!

I did neglect to mention the Name Generator. I sure hope that carries over to the Campaign Supplement or those names will be lost like tears in the rain.

PenitentJake wrote:

Bago wrote:
Weird they didnt reprint the Imp greater good stuff. With GSC and Tau (propably) in December and January they could pull this off the store.

Because it's a campaign book, they could only do it if those factions are in the campaign; obviously, the Imperial content would be relevant, but I don't think T'au are in scope.

You misunderstood. If they did reprint just thr Guard Greater Good stuff in this one, they could pull the PA off the shelves after the Tau Codex (as with the new Tau and GSC codex, it would be invalid for those two factions). Now they have to keep it in production until the Guard Codex comes out somewhere around 2022. Unless of course they'll add Guard content in another Warzone Octarius book. Did they have one faction with rules in more than one warzone: charadon book?

AdMech had a subfaction in first book and Army of Renown in the second book.

Might just be that they don't want to reprint the content as the codex is going to contain it...or go a wildly different route?

 Kanluwen wrote:
AdMech had a subfaction in first book and Army of Renown in the second book.

Might just be that they don't want to reprint the content as the codex is going to contain it...or go a wildly different route?

It just strikes me as odd. Inconsistent. Why reprint the CSM F&F, the Blood of Baal Tyra stuff, the Inquisition stuff but not the Guard stuff? We'll see if they'll add Guard for the second book.

@Bago: Ahhh, gotcha. Yes, they should have done that.

I had another thought on Inquisition:

I was also disappointed with the lack of Inquisition Crusade content... But then I realized something: having Inquisition rules for this edition facilitates both Kill Team and Crusade rules for White Dwarf, and we're almost guaranteed to see one or the other if not both.

I'm going to write to them and suggest it, even though I'm pretty sure it's coming anyway. What I'm hoping is that if it IS coming, they'll print the letter with vague, mysterious reply that confirms something, without saying exactly what. If you're an Inquisition fan, I'd encourage EVERYONE to do it, because the more of us that do, the more likely it is to happen.

PenitentJake wrote:
I was also disappointed with the lack of Inquisition Crusade content... But then I realized something: having Inquisition rules for this edition facilitates both Kill Team and Crusade rules for White Dwarf, and we're almost guaranteed to see one or the other if not both.

I mean, what Inquisitor content? The Inquisition has been reduced to a handful of special characters, one generic character, "Acolytes", Monkeys and disturbingly depowered Daemon Hosts.

We exist in a time when the powers that be don't think that the Inquisition should play a role on the battlefield, and their treatment and lack of any real advancement shows this (their entire rule-set is basically "Would be Legends if we didn't still make the minis!"). The fall of Alan Merritt brought Genestealer Cults back into the game, but there's always a price to be paid, and the new folks running the show, for some reason, really don't want the Inquisition to play a big part in the tabletop game.

Which is odd because it would be an excellent way to bring back Imperial Soup without the unrestrained imbalance of the first go round (theoretically as they'd have to competently construct the book and it's options)

Bago wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
AdMech had a subfaction in first book and Army of Renown in the second book.

Might just be that they don't want to reprint the content as the codex is going to contain it...or go a wildly different route?

It just strikes me as odd. Inconsistent. Why reprint the CSM F&F, the Blood of Baal Tyra stuff, the Inquisition stuff but not the Guard stuff? We'll see if they'll add Guard for the second book.

Most likely, timing. The CSM stuff was reprinted because the CSM Codex is way off in the super-secret release schedule. This seems to indicate that the same is true for Tyranids, but maybe not so far for Guard?

Then again, they gave them Crusade content. I wonder if that will be campaign specific Crusade content?

I doubt this Crusade content will have their actual main Crusade Mechanic (like the Vows/Oaths in the new BT book), but rather their advance tables, relics, requisition and injuries. The full mechanic, whatever that happens to be* will be in the actual 'Nid 'Dex.



*Please don't be unique monsters! Please don't be unique monsters!

Nid stuff is 100% the same content from BoB.
With nids and guards pretty much confirmed as the last books in the release cycle (why giving them their crusade rules now otherwise?) then there was a need to put those rules somewhere, since PA is probably going to be harder and harder to get from now on.
And as a nid player, I'm 100% going to skip this book.

Spoletta wrote:
Nid stuff is 100% the same content from BoB.
With nids and guards pretty much confirmed as the last books in the release cycle (why giving them their crusade rules now otherwise?) then there was a need to put those rules somewhere, since PA is probably going to be harder and harder to get from now on.
And as a nid player, I'm 100% going to skip this book.

Nids have a couple of new rules, but otherwise it's just Blood of Baal stuff reprinted in this book.
Not enough new stuff to justify spending €45 anyway.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I mean, what Inquisitor content? The Inquisition has been reduced to a handful of special characters, one generic character, "Acolytes", Monkeys and disturbingly depowered Daemon Hosts.

We exist in a time when the powers that be don't think that the Inquisition should play a role on the battlefield, and their treatment and lack of any real advancement shows this (their entire rule-set is basically "Would be Legends if we didn't still make the minis!"). The fall of Alan Merritt brought Genestealer Cults back into the game, but there's always a price to be paid, and the new folks running the show, for some reason, really don't want the Inquisition to play a big part in the tabletop game.

We certainly do agree that the Inquisition is not currently supported very well. This response to your post is not meant to imply otherwise.

But we did get a new model in the transition form 7th to 8th and another in 8th. There is a set of Rumour Engine pics that many suspect mean there is another on the way for 9th. It's been a while, and we've seen nothing and had no hints, so I'm not so sure- but I never got my hopes up for that in the first place.

Adding an Inquisitor as an Imperial Agent is viable. Not competitive, mind you, but viable. Inquisition detachments? Yeah, even I, with all my optimism, can't call an Inquisition Detachment viable.

But my previous post in this thread does suggests some ways that this book COULD improve Inquisition detachments quite easily with very minor changes to existing rules. I'm not saying for sure it's going to happen... I'm just enjoying some cautious optimism while it lasts.

The post you quoted though, when taken as a whole, was about the possibility that Inquisition Kill Team and/ or Crusade rules can now be published in White Dwarf. Because GW doesn't print anything that references rules from previous editions, this is something that would not be possible unless Inquisition rules had an official 9th edition source. Thanks to this book, they DO have official 9th ed rules- even if they do turn out to be 100% reprinted material, which I acknowledge in all of my posts on this thread is a very real possibility.

I also freely admit there's no guarantee that we will see Crusade and/ or Kill Team content in WD. I'm just saying this book makes it possible, and again, enjoying a little bit of cautious optimism while I can.

Spoletta wrote:
Nid stuff is 100% the same content from BoB.

Nope.

In this book you'll find the new synaptic link rules, which apply to all Nid armies.

IF you play Leviathan, you'll have an army supplement.

IF you play Crusade, you'll find some Crusade content for all Nid armies. I agree with HBMC that it is probably not ALL of the Crusade content that they are eventually going to get, and it may not even include the core schtick of the Crusade content, whatever that turns out to be. But it's something.

NONE of that was in Blood of Baal. Sure, if you play neither Leviathan, nor Crusade, there isn't a lot here for you. It's fair to say that.
It may also be fair to say 100% of the content from Blood of Baal is in this book.
It is absolutely untrue to say 100% of the nid content in this book is reprinted from Blood of Baal.

 Aenar wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
Nid stuff is 100% the same content from BoB.
With nids and guards pretty much confirmed as the last books in the release cycle (why giving them their crusade rules now otherwise?) then there was a need to put those rules somewhere, since PA is probably going to be harder and harder to get from now on.
And as a nid player, I'm 100% going to skip this book.

Nids have a couple of new rules, but otherwise it's just Blood of Baal stuff reprinted in this book.
Not enough new stuff to justify spending €45 anyway.

Yea, a full book for a single page of rules? Noooope.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
Hey, at least you bugz are getting more than the other half of the octarius conflict.

Plus, all these rules are going to be up on the typical places soon enough, so Yo-Ho.

You wanna trade us that huge new model release you just got then? Yeesh

It's disappointing that Orks aren't getting more, but let's not act like they're worse off than Nids.