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**hotsauceman1**

Not its on midseason break. it has an order of 20 episodes and only 10 have been.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Further praise for Picard Season 2?

Season 1 laid the groundwork, as already covered. But. For those who didn’t persevere there or were underwhelmed?

Season 2 is actually kind of standalone. Yes you’ll be left wondering exactly who a bunch of the characters are, but thus far you don’t really need to know their backstories.

This IS proper Trek. 100%. I say give it a whirl.

**beast_gts**

Strange New Worlds S2 update / spoiler:

Spoiler:

**warboss**

Lol. Maybe someone should tweet at them that Kirk wasn't on the Enterprise at that time and hadn't met Pike. Maybe include a link to TOS on streaming so they can finally watch it for the first time.

**AduroT**

They’re making casting announcements for season two when season one hasn’t aired?

**hotsauceman1**

I mean they Reconned Spock having a sister
They Retconned how the Klingons look

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

warboss wrote:
Lol. Maybe someone should tweet at them that Kirk wasn't on the Enterprise at that time and hadn't met Pike. Maybe include a link to TOS on streaming so they can finally watch it for the first time.

Lol nowhere in the article does it say Kirk will be on the Enterprise or even meet Pike lol maybe try reading articles lol.

**beast_gts**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
warboss wrote:
Lol. Maybe someone should tweet at them that Kirk wasn't on the Enterprise at that time and hadn't met Pike. Maybe include a link to TOS on streaming so they can finally watch it for the first time.

Lol nowhere in the article does it say Kirk will be on the Enterprise or even meet Pike lol maybe try reading articles lol.

There's speculation he's still on the unnamed "destroyer type"(?) ship he commanded before the Enterprise.

**AduroT**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean they Reconned Spock having a sister
They Retconned how the Klingons look

At least the mostly undid the Klingon appearance change, letting them grow hair to cover up their coneheads.

**Just Tony**

beast_gts wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
warboss wrote:
Lol. Maybe someone should tweet at them that Kirk wasn't on the Enterprise at that time and hadn't met Pike. Maybe include a link to TOS on streaming so they can finally watch it for the first time.

Lol nowhere in the article does it say Kirk will be on the Enterprise or even meet Pike lol maybe try reading articles lol.

There's speculation he's still on the unnamed "destroyer type"(?) ship he commanded before the Enterprise.

Phaser Operator on the USS Farragut if memory serves.

And yes, the salt from people griping about things they've not even seen yet is even more entertaining than the AbramsTrek wailing, and I didn't think that would be possible.

**Vulcan**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I mean they Reconned Spock having a sister
They Retconned how the Klingons look

Heck, they retconned Spock having a BROTHER.

Spock and his father were pretty reconciled after Sarek's first appearance; that got retconned both in books and in TNG.

We can probably find dozens of inconsistencies in TOS alone!

Canon in Star Trek is... very loose, at best.

**beast_gts**

Just Tony wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
There's speculation he's still on the unnamed "destroyer type"(?) ship he commanded before the Enterprise.

Phaser Operator on the USS Farragut if memory serves.

After that - he was on the Farragut in the 2250s, and took command of the Enterprise in 2265.

Edit - found the reference:

Memory Alpha wrote:According to "The Making of Star Trek", Kirk's first command was a destroyer class ship, however, it has never been indicated onscreen or otherwise that Kirk had any command prior to the Enterprise herself.

**warboss**

Vulcan wrote:

Heck, they retconned Spock having a BROTHER.

Yeah, and it was one of many reasons why that film is generally regarded as the worst out of the classic trek era. It was supposed to be a cautionary tale of what NOT to do and not a roadmap for a future series "twist".

**hotsauceman1**

So that was good, very good.
Up until Book came back from space magic and got a slap on the wrist

**AduroT**

Totally expected Book’s survival.

Sssssoooooo… Starfleet headquarters. The decks just slide out and are individually warp capable. Why do they still put nacelles on their ships?

Gravity disruptions pushed all that debris at earth. Remove the source and all the debris just immediately reversed course and flew back out into space?

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

As I await episode 3 of Picard season 2 going up on Prime?

Specumalation!!!

Spoiler:

**AduroT**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As I await episode 3 of Picard season 2 going up on Prime?

Specumalation!!!

Spoiler:

See Q? I don’t think that’s our Q. Picard specifically mentions he looks unwell, like there’s something wrong with him.

I think he’s Mirror Q, and he’s trying to get Picard to undo the timeline which lead to his eradication day?

Mmmmmm… I dunno. The queen and they seem pretty sure

Spoiler:

Nitpick for ep 3…

Spoiler:

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Spoiler:

Overall Season 2 continues to be a marked improvement. It really does feel like classic TNG era knees bent running about business.

**AduroT**

Spoiler:

**Overread**

Spoiler:

Yes the queen is very reserved right now. What's interesting is that she is is very clearly not the alternate timeline queen. I forget if that was expressly established in episode 2, but episode 3 its very clear that she's the "original" queen. And yet the whole interconnected concept of queens through different timelines and such she also seems to be much "more".

She also seems to be biding her time a lot. This suggests that she might be a lot weaker than she's letting on considering that she hasn't tried to take the ship entirely. Considering the time period they are now in she's got an ideal chance to just take over and instead of restoring time, take over the Earth before its even become a threat to the Borg. Which was her original plan long long ago in First Contact.
Heck she even got hacked by someone totally unfamiliar with Borg technology and such.

Interestingly I have to say I rather like that Picard isn't as totally overwhelmed by Borg as he was. The Picard of the First Contact era would NEVER have kept her alive or used her or let anyone be assimilated even a little.

All that said I'm waiting for the inevitable moment that the Queen tries to turn the tables.

Also a thought - the Q have long had this kind of warning/play element with Picard and the Borg. Heck it was a big part of Guinens story that the Q never warned her people about the Borg before they were destroyed.
And yet the Q warned the Federation and in doing so the Federation was prepared to resist the Borg. Heck the Q could even take direct action and just wipe the Borg out with a moment.
I wonder if Picard isn't the only one Q is appearing too. I wonder if the Q have involvement with the Borg as well. We've known that the Q have factions and arguments, heck Voyage had a full on war. I wonder if an undisclosed faction of the Q perhaps play with the Borg like Q plays with Picard and the Federation. Pawns in a vast galactic game of Risk?

Certainly some element is making the Queen wait

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

On Queenie….

Spoiler:

**AduroT**

I don’t believe there are Borg in the ice in this time period. My understanding is those were future Borg that got left behind during First Contact, which hasn’t happened yet where we are now.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Good point!

**Overread**

Spoiler:

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

That’s exactly who I’m expecting the Watcher to be, to be honest.

**Mr Morden**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
As I await episode 3 of Picard season 2 going up on Prime?

Specumalation!!!

Spoiler:

See Q? I don’t think that’s our Q. Picard specifically mentions he looks unwell, like there’s something wrong with him.

I think he’s Mirror Q, and he’s trying to get Picard to undo the timeline which lead to his eradication day?

What is the difference between a different reality and a reality where the timeline is different - does it not amount to the same thing just semantics? This is very very similar to the Mirror Universe.

re the spoiler.

Spoiler:

There was some rubbish about Q being afraid of Guinan in some Next Gen episode - really hope that is not the case.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Not necessarily afraid I’d say. More concerned that Guinan is at least wise to his games was my take away - perhaps with some capacity to challenge/stymie him.

**Overread**

Wasn't that in the first episode? Or at least very early on. I think its a whole storyline that just got dropped as Guinan in TNG didn't actually get much development. Her story got a few twists to it but we never really saw that element return.

It certainly suggested quite strongly that she had some "power" or influence or such. Something that Q wasn't happy about.

As for alternate timeline VS alternate reality

An Alternate Reality runs alongside the existing reality. So the two exist in a concurrent state. You might jump from one to the other and back again, but its one constant timeline stream.

An Alternate Timeline is where the time of the current reality has changed at some significant point enough to have had ripples in time big enough to cause noticeable change. Now this can result in time changing enough that you end up with a situation where its "akin" to an alternate reality, but its not. It's still your same reality; you can't jump off and get back to "your" original reality by moving between realities that way.

Instead the only resolution is what the crew are doing, finding the change in time and going back to fix it.

Spoiler:

**AduroT**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
That’s exactly who I’m expecting the Watcher to be, to be honest.

It’s been my assumption. I’ll be quite surprised if it isn’t.

**Ahtman**

Oh please we all know who The Watcher is going to be.

Spoiler: