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**trexmeyer**

Ahtman wrote:
Oh please we all know who The Watcher is going to be.

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That would be amazing. Please.
Edit: Was that the weirdest TOS episode?

**Shadow Walker**

After 3rd episode I think that the Queen from 1st one could actually be

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**AduroT**

I had that thought as well.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Without snark, it’s nice to see positive posts about recent Trek offerings

Show runners must be doing something right!

**Overread**

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**AduroT**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Without snark, it’s nice to see positive posts about recent Trek offerings

Show runners must be doing something right!

I will absolutely continue to complain about and point out all the stupid stuff they do in Discovery, but I mean I’m still watching it. Despite being incredibly dumb it’s still entertaining.

Speaking of Discovery, something I missed until I saw it specifically pointed out. The finale introduced the President of Earth. The role was played by a Stacy Abrams cameo. That’s amusing to me.

**hotsauceman1**

So my simple theory.
So this episode had alot of commentary about social issues, not out of the ordinary for trek.
But what was out of the ordinary was it pertaining to our present day and not an allegory, health systems, immigration and much more.
They say the watcher must be an alien, and its probably confirmed,
The watcher may be a sory of judge who decides if a species is ready for first contact. Maybe a Vulcan, maybe something else.
Q has shown very much a disappintment in humanity.
So he went back in time, telling or onfluencing that watcher to make her decision that humanity was not ready.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
So my simple theory.
So this episode had alot of commentary about social issues, not out of the ordinary for trek.
But what was out of the ordinary was it pertaining to our present day and not an allegory, health systems, immigration and much more.
They say the watcher must be an alien, and its probably confirmed,
The watcher may be a sory of judge who decides if a species is ready for first contact. Maybe a Vulcan, maybe something else.
Q has shown very much a disappintment in humanity.
So he went back in time, telling or onfluencing that watcher to make her decision that humanity was not ready.

It’s the same 2024 as Sisko, Dax and Bashir visited

Just kind of depressing we’re closer to that dystopia than we are Star Trek’s relative utopia.

**hotsauceman1**

That true. I forgot.
I guess im thinkling its a bit more contemporary because while that was 1990s prediction of the future, this is pretty much present(We are gonna have the same problems in 2024 probably.

**beast_gts**

The most remarkable Star Trek episode ever made - BBC

**Voss**

beast_gts wrote:
The most remarkable Star Trek episode ever made - BBC

Hard pass. 'Character thinks they're a real world character imagining their sci-fi life and going insane' is one of the worst tropes infecting 80s/90s/later TV.
DS9 did it, Buffy did it (and it was real awful for how it handled mental illness) and even Stargate did it (and it was nonsensical, because Teal'c was imagining they were all firefighters, and he's an alien that would have very little sense of what firefighters do)

The real-world details of that particular episode are interesting, but binding it to this particular cliche (rather than the holodeck, or Q, or anything else) really taints it. At least for me.

**Ahtman**

I'm just happy to see Star Trek finally do a story with time travel in it.

**AduroT**

Voss wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
The most remarkable Star Trek episode ever made - BBC

Hard pass. 'Character thinks they're a real world character imagining their sci-fi life and going insane' is one of the worst tropes infecting 80s/90s/later TV.
DS9 did it, Buffy did it (and it was real awful for how it handled mental illness) and even Stargate did it (and it was nonsensical, because Teal'c was imagining they were all firefighters, and he's an alien that would have very little sense of what firefighters do)

The real-world details of that particular episode are interesting, but binding it to this particular cliche (rather than the holodeck, or Q, or anything else) really taints it. At least for me.

The alternate reality that takes place only in one characters mind is a cliche I dislike. Snowpiercer did it the other week with a character in a coma on the brink of death and he has to beat his coma dream or he dies, and it’s just dumb taking up a whole episode while barely moving the plot forward.

**trexmeyer**

Voss wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
The most remarkable Star Trek episode ever made - BBC

Hard pass. .

I thought the point was that he was descended from the Prophets and starting to experience non-linear time?

Ahtman wrote:I'm just happy to see Star Trek finally do a story with time travel in it.

This is sarcasm, right?

**Overread**

I'm happy its a time travel with Q because that means there's a good chance we come out at the end without the whole -

"And then in the end we re-wrote the whole timeline and spawned a brand new series. TNG 2 Reboot where Picard is now a 35 year old long haired hippy leading his own motley crew through space!"

**Mr Morden**

Sadly quite underwhelmed by epsiode 3.

* As someone else mentioned

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* Rafaella is becoming ever more unprofessional, shrill and annoying - defnately not someone who should command a landing party never mind a starship!
*

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* I don't mind too much the inevitable

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Hopefully episode 4 will be great as 1 and 2 were.

**Overread**

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**Mr Morden**

Overread wrote:

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In fairness when your ship crashlands and you're not equipped with a cloaking device, chances are it is hard to hide. Though considering it should have been noticed by someone (radar, sight, massive noise and fire and crashing) it is a little surprising they didn't try and hide it. Then again its a huge ship and they are a small team; and its not as if they can hide the long run of fallen trees and all.

My guess is their hope is that the Watcher might have a ship of their own on the planet that they can use to move/repair/hide their own. So all speed to the Watcher

I wondered if

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**Overread**

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**Mr Morden**

Overread wrote:

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I assume its landed far enough in the countryside of France that its not going to draw as much notice that fast. My guess is if its deep enough into the forests then it would take a while before enough notice would be taken. We can assume that its got some magical sci-fi shield against radar - which isn't that abnormal considering it is a warship.

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**beast_gts**

Mr Morden wrote:
Overread wrote:

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I assume its landed far enough in the countryside of France that its not going to draw as much notice that fast. My guess is if its deep enough into the forests then it would take a while before enough notice would be taken. We can assume that its got some magical sci-fi shield against radar - which isn't that abnormal considering it is a warship.

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I thought the point was that it landed in the fields at Picards home??

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**Overread**

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**AduroT**

Yeah, the impression I got is it was Picard’s place, given he specifically said he had a place.

**Togusa**

Voss wrote:
beast_gts wrote:
The most remarkable Star Trek episode ever made - BBC

Hard pass. 'Character thinks they're a real world character imagining their sci-fi life and going insane' is one of the worst tropes infecting 80s/90s/later TV.
DS9 did it, Buffy did it (and it was real awful for how it handled mental illness) and even Stargate did it (and it was nonsensical, because Teal'c was imagining they were all firefighters, and he's an alien that would have very little sense of what firefighters do)

The real-world details of that particular episode are interesting, but binding it to this particular cliche (rather than the holodeck, or Q, or anything else) really taints it. At least for me.

That's unfortunate for you, but it is possibly the best episode of the entire franchise and extremely important. It's a shame that Avery didn't win a grammy for that performance, but given how racist most of those award shows are by design, it is sadly unsurprising.

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Mr Morden wrote:
Sadly quite underwhelmed by epsiode 3.

* As someone else mentioned

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Phasers that wound or diintergrate depending on if you are cast or not was a bit too obvious

* Rafaella is becoming ever more unprofessional, shrill and annoying - defnately not someone who should command a landing party never mind a starship!
*

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"Lets not spoil the timeline by leaving any tech" - sits in huge uncloaked crashlanded ship in the middle of French countryside...

* I don't mind too much the inevitable

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"pretty girl from the past" plotline but it is very predictable

Hopefully episode 4 will be great as 1 and 2 were.

So far I don't have any praise for any of it.

This doom and gloom crap ISN'T TREK. At this point I've giving up on the Picard show entirely. The Ferengi at Paramount aren't interested in making anything good, they just want your latinum.

**AduroT**

A line from the Previously On gave me an idea for a theory;

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And some reactions to the actual episode;

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**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

So, episode 4.

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**Overread**

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**beast_gts**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

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At first I was wondering “but Time’s Arrow!!” when she didn’t recognise Picard. But of course, the future that created the events of Time’s Arrow didn’t happen, or at least the way they did

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**Shadow Walker**

Bus scene was a nice homage to the old ST.

**AduroT**

Shadow Walker wrote:
Bus scene was a nice homage to the old ST.

I enjoyed it, and the difference response we got.