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AduroT wrote: I have to assume the advanced medical tech is also a product of the super computer, and it makes their whole utopia possible and the immediate falling out of the sky is just the most urgent of effects for not maintaining the child torture chair. The whole point is to contrive the scenario of would you make one child suffer if it meant no one else ever had to, and I can accept their setup at face value because it’s not Too far fetched and they offer a few different viewpoints on it.
except that it ended with the Doctor being walked through treatment of a medical condition.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Apparently that episode was based on (or is largely transposed from) some unused Roddenberry era script (possibly TNG, but more likely TOS or TAS) and it sure feels like it.
I'm not a huge TAS fan but these are fascinating labors of love by fans! They clearly chose the finest examples of their respective series as inspiration.
Decided to break down and get a P+ account, mainly because I missed watching the older shows.
Started with SNW. Episode one was....well it was something.
For starters: Let's do the gripes
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Starfleet would not send out a ship with only three crew members. That's absolute insanity and it was really a major sticking point for me throughout the episode.
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More Nonsense from STD. I really, really hate that dumpster fire of a show and I wish like hell they'd move on from it. I will die on this hill and as far as I am concerned it never existed in my personal love of the franchise.
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The actor playing Spock, is really phoning it in. Badly. I am not super impressed with his performances thus far.
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Speaking of Spock, why would you take him with you on a mission when you know there is a huge chance of something happening that will endanger said mission because of how the gene therapy interacts with him. God it just screams incompetent and dangerous. Take a junior science officer and move on.
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another Singh character, can we just not. I really hope she has no relation to Khan and it's just a fun little easteregg with her name. But I can't help but think that she's going to be the betrayer or some junk.
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Still too much joking around, sarcasm and unprofessional behavior from nearly the entire crew. Lots of silly "oh no! I didn't sedate the alien enough he escaped!" nonsense. I really hope the show knocks that off and soon."
Now, onto what I liked.
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Ortegas is an interesting character. I look forward to seeing her character developed over the course of the series.
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Dr. M'Benga has a lot of promise. For me, the doctor role within ST shows is really important. If I don't like the doctor, I usually end up not enjoying the show as much. I look forward to seeing what they do with him.
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Celia Gooding is doing a great job as Nyota. Big shoes to fill, but I liked what little we got to see of her in the episode. I especially enjoyed her talking with the alien about his homeworld to help clam him. I really liked that bit, it really reminded me of "old" Trek in that the character was competent enough to do her mission homework, which is something I felt a lot of Discovery episodes flat out ignored.
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Seeing the Aenar beam on was great. Sadly, Enterprise was doing a fantastic job with the Aenar and the Andorians. I hope they treat them well.
Overall, I wasn't exactly impressed with the episode, using modern political talking points to get ideas across like a blunt mace is par the course for much of entertainment these days. It was better done in this episode than a lot of other shows, but I digress...but I wasn't as put off as I was at the end of S1 Discovery either. So I remain skeptical as to how this show will go. We shall see what the rest of the episodes do.
Also. Feth P+ for having ads in a paid service.
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Finished up episode two today. It was a lot better in my opinion than the first episode. Thoughts as follows...
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They are leaning way too hard into this "I saw my death" stuff. It's brought up like 10 times per half hour and I'm just not feeling it. There has to be more to Pike than "I'ma die someday saving some kids."
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There is still a lot of unprofessionalism running around in this show. Almost no one is using the Chain of Command, no formal usage or Sir or Ma'am when speaking to a superior officer and there seems to be a lot of fraternizing between the crew (which isn't to say necessarily a bad thing, but it is unorthodox.).
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So far we've seen way more of Nurse Chapel than of Dr. M'Benga. I really can't get behind her characters super in your face type personality, and they seem to be treating her more like a doctor than a nurse. Something seems off, but I've yet to see enough of the show and of her character to figure out what it actually is. The actress is doing a good job, but I feel the writing is suffering a bit there. I'll give her some more time to bake and see what happens.
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Seriously, I wasn't joking when I said the Doctors for each show make or break the experience for me. I really hope M'Benga gets more screen time soon. I'd like to see what he can bring to the crew.
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La'an isn't doing it for me. And I finally figure out why. She's the female equivalent of Malcom Reed, slightly more likeable but basically bland. I'd even liken her to Season 1-2 of Lt. Worf, basically just their to be broody, overly aggressive and angry all the time." I see her as probably being at the bottom of the list in terms of characters I like in this show."
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Kirk's Dad is...weird. So far I can't figure out where they are going to go with this, but I'm interested.
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Erica Ortegas is a weird character. I like her, and I like the position they've put her in. But she really hasn't done much yet, which I know, I know we're only two episodes in give it time. But I can't help but feel like she's going to end up suffering from the Ensign Kim syndrome. I hope not. One gripe I have with her is that she is one of the worst at the whole chain of command thing. I don't think I've seen her use formal language with superiors officers once yet.
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Hemmer is great. I love that he's both serious and able to relax a bit. Really liking the choice of an Aenar character. Hoping that SNW can continue to make excellent work with the Andorians and the Aenar as Enterprise was.
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Celia Gooding is just knocking it out of the park as Nyota. Easily she and Anson are the two best actors in the show, no contest. One thing I am a bit put off by though is that her handling of the Music puzzle was a bit too rushed, I know it's an abridged runtime, but I felt they could have taken a bit more time to let her figure it all out.
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This Spock rendition is just awful. I still can't explain it, but I loath that actor something fierce.
Overall I liked the episode. I felt it was a big step in the right direction in terms of getting back to the roots of exploration and adventure that ST is known for. Minor gripes aside I am still looking forward to Episode 3, which is a good thing!
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LordofHats wrote: He's also the only relation (far as I know) who was not randomly invented in the past few years.
Sam appears once in TOS and is referenced by Kirk in The Undiscovered Country if I'm remembering right?
Sam appears as a corpse played by William Shatner with a bad moustache in TOS, I don't recall him being referred to in Undiscovered Country, but its been a while since I've seen it.
As for the other relations I'm not sure the full extent you mean - T'Pring's from TOS but some people think she's new, some people don't know Kirk had a brother, I've seen pushback over M'Benga having a daughter at all even though he appeared in all of two episodes in TOS and even had a great grand-daughter in a beta canon Shatnerverse novel. La'an and Michael are the really egregious additions, and I give the former a pass because I like how they've handled it so far, and the latter because I had four seasons to get over it and she's like a thousand years removed from these events, being her own actual character almost completely removed from the idea of being Spock's adopted sister.
Sam is only shown in ONE TOS episode - where he is dead (killed by an alien flapjack) and played by William Shatner in a bad moustache. He is identified as JTK's brother, though.
Thought Orville this week was mediocre, I more enjoyed Strange New Worlds. It’s really weird how the shows have so switched tones. Orville is all serious while Star Trek gets into hijinks.
I actually genuinely enjoyed todays episode with only a few minor quibbles like the use of modern music and Wheedon-speak. It's almost as if the heavy handed in your face dystopian nightmare of the prior three seasons I watched (STD 1+2, PIC1) didn't need to be the way they were. Without going into spoilers, the episode antagonist is definitely my favorite nutrek villain and was actually good and not just a backhanded compliment due to the overall crappyiness of previous ones.
Episode 3 was good. One thing however really, really upset me.
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....You cannot indefinitely store patterns in transporter systems with no degradation or pattern loss. We literally hear this DIRECT from fething SCOTTY himself in Relics after his strategy saved himself, but failed to save Franklin. I find it hard to believe that the Starfleet of this era doesn't have Stasis fields which would be a much better option for his daughter, especially considering they had them in Enterprise for Christ sake....
Also, does it bother anyone else how big crew quarters are on the Enterprise? This is another piece of well established cannon that crew quarters were quite cramped during that era.
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chromedog wrote: Sam is only shown in ONE TOS episode - where he is dead (killed by an alien flapjack) and played by William Shatner in a bad moustache. He is identified as JTK's brother, though.
He's mentioned earlier on in TOS - him and his family where there to see James T off on the 5-year voyage.
Togusa wrote: Also, does it bother anyone else how big crew quarters are on the Enterprise? This is another piece of well established cannon that crew quarters were quite cramped during that era.
A little bit - there's speculation that there's less crew on-board than during Kirk's time (Starfleet still rebuilding from the Klingon war, etc.). EDIT: Memory Alpha has it as ~200 in the 2250s (April/Pike), going up to ~400 in the 2260s (Kirk).
Togusa wrote: Episode 3 was good. One thing however really, really upset me.
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Perhaps medical transporters are 'special', or it was modified? He seemed to be acting alone, without Starfleet, and might have struggled trying to hide a stasis pod.
So, ep. 7:
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Starfleet really need to work on their ID checking, and harden their starships! (Has every series now had a hijack episode?)
Also - Stonn/Stahn AND Sybok!
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Togusa wrote: Also, does it bother anyone else how big crew quarters are on the Enterprise? This is another piece of well established cannon that crew quarters were quite cramped during that era.
A little bit - there's speculation that there's less crew on-board than during Kirk's time (Starfleet still rebuilding from the Klingon war, etc.).
EDIT: Memory Alpha has it as ~200 in the 2250s (April/Pike), going up to ~400 in the 2260s (Kirk).
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Perhaps medical transporters are 'special', or it was modified? He seemed to be acting alone, without Starfleet, and might have struggled trying to hide a stasis pod.
The first one I can accept.
But the second I cannot. It doesn't matter if it's a medical transporter. We have cannon explanation that this was a huge problem that Scotty had to solve in order to keep himself and Franklin alive inside the Transporter system of the USS Jenolan. Also, we know for a fact that Medical Stasis exists during this time period as they had it on the NX-01 in 2151. Kirk takes command of the Constitution Class Enterprise in 2266, over 115 years after the maiden voyage of the NX-01, a further ten years after SNWs. There literally is no reason not to just put his daughter into Medical Stasis and deal with that storyline the same way they undoubtabley will deal with it as the season goes on. This really bugs me from a lore perspective because we have an established, and far safer alternative that is proven to work, being superseded by a method that isn't even possible at this point in the timeline and won't be for a further 90 years. To compound this, it doesn't even need to happen. It's just bizarrely there for some reason, most likely because the writers don't know the history of the show they're writing for, which is a big problem in hollywood these days.
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Episode 5, Vulcan Freaky Friday...no thanks. Rest of the episode was good though. Still cannot get behind Nurse Chapel as a character.
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He doesn’t store the daughter in it 24/7 though. He brings her out periodically. You can’t store people in there forever, but there is a certain timeframe where you can before degradation.
Togusa wrote: We have cannon explanation that this was a huge problem that Scotty had to solve in order to keep himself and Franklin alive inside the Transporter system of the USS Jenolan.
At no point has artillery been used to explain this.
AduroT wrote: He doesn’t store the daughter in it 24/7 though. He brings her out periodically. You can’t store people in there forever, but there is a certain timeframe where you can before degradation.
You would think long term transporter freezer burn would be a thing too but I guess not!
Togusa wrote: We have cannon explanation that this was a huge problem that Scotty had to solve in order to keep himself and Franklin alive inside the Transporter system of the USS Jenolan.
At no point has artillery been used to explain this.
Togusa wrote: We have cannon explanation that this was a huge problem that Scotty had to solve in order to keep himself and Franklin alive inside the Transporter system of the USS Jenolan.
At no point has artillery been used to explain this.
More things should be explained with artillery. More 1812 overtures please.
Togusa wrote: We have cannon explanation that this was a huge problem that Scotty had to solve in order to keep himself and Franklin alive inside the Transporter system of the USS Jenolan.
At no point has artillery been used to explain this.
