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ERJAK wrote:

JWBS wrote:
If they replaced the Sisters tanks with arcoflags, pain engine, repentia or seraphs people would doubtless cry about that, given that they're in the CP. So what's left exactly? What can you not get now at discount, for Sisters, between this and the CP?

You still can't get penitent engines, repentia, seraphim or arcoflags at a discount. The CP kits are mono-pose with no options and also all minimum unit sizes, which basically means you have to buy 2 to get 1 one squad of arcos or repentia (that you'd actually field).

If the tanks didn't suck, this box would be amazing. The tanks suck, so its not.

From a new sister player perspective, this box is outstanding.

Let's say you started with the Combat Patrol (expected) you would now have...

Canonness
2x10 sisters
5 seraphim
dogmata
repentia superior
some repentia and arco flags
sacrosants
rhino
immolator
exorcist
pen engine

it's a good starting sisters force for discount.
I fully expect that immolators and exorcists will take a pretty good price drop on next update, so tanks won't be complete trash by that point. Just because you and other "must only play best" players don't like the rules, the models themselves are some of the best armoured vehicles in the game.

 Grimskul wrote:
The Orks one is very disjointed and very iffy for both newcomers and veteran Ork players. No buggies, no warbikerz, kommandos or even a Trukk. I feel like they spun a wheel and just used that to figure out what to put in there.

Yeah, I stopped buying Orks at <1500pts in case an xmas battleforce came up with stuff I wanted. It didn't even need to be particularly competitive units (the meta always swings around eventually), just models I'm interested in like walkers or vehicles. However after just finishing 40 Boyz plus my longstanding rule about not buying any planes for 40k, I don't have much of an urge to buy this box. Shame.

The AdMech box on the other had has several kits I'd previously put off buying due to cost, and may end up happening instead.

 Fergie0044 wrote:
Apart from the weird ork set, these all seem decent. I think SM and DG are the joint 'winners' in having the best set that also feel like a functioning army. (Although the cheap blighthauler kit probably skews the DG a bit)

It does, but for a long time they were hard to get. So the blighthaulers are something that actually appeals to people.

The Deathshroud also fall into the 'too expensive for a box of 3 models, but in a discount box they're fine' logic trap. Same for the icon bearer, really.

Not to be a party pooper, but, has GW made a promise to give everyone a chance to get a BF or will those things get yoinked by scalpers yet again?

JWBS wrote:

CMLR wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Usually preorders are between Monday and Wednesday the week following Warcom reveals right?

This is until december, and no, is on the saturday.

Oh okay so either 27th or 4th?

Last few years the battleforces have been up for preorder on the last Saturday in Nov, in stores for the first Sat in Dec. We should see the article on Sunday with prices on Monday

Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)

They did a really good job with the battleforces this year, I don't see any duds here.

I'm going to pick up the Deathguard and Slaanesh one for sure. May even pick up 2 to invest in the future when maybe they will be good!

 bullyboy wrote:
I fully expect that immolators and exorcists will take a pretty good price drop on next update, so tanks won't be complete trash by that point. Just because you and other "must only play best" players don't like the rules, the models themselves are some of the best armoured vehicles in the game.

I've been playing the game for 20 years, and I've watched nearly every unit I own swing between excellent and trash. Even some units that were repeatedly mediocre (Stormtroopers!) eventually became really good, albeit after 20 years. Still waiting for my Ogryn to have their moment.

As the codex cycle has shortened, and GW is now balancing points and even datasheets on the regular, or sprinkling in hot patch stratagems, buying only based on what's really good right now only makes sense if you're painting everything you buy more or less immediatly. If you buy things and they sit on a shelf for six months or more, things could change.

This is all a way of saying, Immolaters have exactly the sort of datasheet that can be good, coupling twin MMs with some cargo capacity in an army with access to pre game moves, advancing and shooting, and ways to manipulate damage dice. They could drop 10pts and be real good (and in Argent Shroud with dominions, they're perfectly fine now).

My FLGS has some sort of demonic pact to get unlimited numbers of anything, so I'm not worried.

JWBS wrote:
Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)

I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores? You don't pay shipping, you'll probably get a discount, and (assuming you have a good relationship with the staff) you can put your orders in up front (like now) before its even able to be ordered through the webshop. You'll be ahead of the game, unlike the shmucks who buy everything direct.

And we probably won't get a preorder promise, to date the only preorder promises that have been done have been for sets that contain unique sculpts in them. Everything in these boxes is just bundled content that you can buy off the shelf today at a slightly better price. Theres no reason or obligation for GW to make a preorder promise to you - you may want it, but GW is incentived not to make too many available, as that would be a loss vs what they could get if you bought the kits at the regular price.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus could do with a big old terrain box.

What's the bet they do a Necromunda bundle that has 2 Gang Stronholds, a set of walls, a set of stairs platforms, and 4 tiles, just to spite us.

Yes, spite us right into my shopping cart please.

I don't have a local retailer I do all my GW shopping online. The store I use isn't one of the main guys though, at least I don't think they are, I never see the name mentioned, unlike the usual suspects like Alchemist, Wayland, Darksphere, Element etc. I'm fairly confident I'll get what I need (if not I'll be a bit gutted).

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus could do with a big old terrain box.

What's the bet they do a Necromunda bundle that has 2 Gang Stronholds, a set of walls, a set of stairs platforms, and 4 tiles, just to spite us.

Yes, spite us right into my shopping cart please.

I'm gonna ruin the joke and say tiles will never ever be in a bundle box because they have a different physical footprint than sprues.

Could be in an online only 1 click bundle without bespoke packaging tho I guess.

chaos0xomega wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)

I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores? You don't pay shipping, you'll probably get a discount, and (assuming you have a good relationship with the staff) you can put your orders in up front (like now) before its even able to be ordered through the webshop. You'll be ahead of the game, unlike the shmucks who buy everything direct.

Because around these parts GW has screwed over the local stores to the point that they can't guarantee they'll get boxed sets in at all, let alone multiple ones for customers who want one. For me, the closest one generally won't even do it. It took 3 in person trips to the store to get Dominion ordered, and it was only 'probably' over the course of the week and a half until the day before release (because it literally came in Friday's shipment). Of the four stores I can get to in an hour or so, only one does a discount at all, and its barely worth the drive. The last two times I tried to preorder stuff, they couldn't get it. They still have (as far as I know) Indomitus boxed sets, but everything after that has been a nightmare, and the owner complains about the GW rep ghosting him on new products.

Pre-ordering direct from Indy stores just isn't a reliable option.
Granted, getting things direct from GW is slow and laborious these days too, but its often the workable option if its really on the wish list.

The ork one is just… gak

Grots are sort of just a non-unit, don’t deal damage, can’t soak damage, can’t go onto points.

Boyz aren’t all too much better, maybe if they had gotten a trukk?

The flyer is probably the best thing in there, it’s going to carry anyone who uses that list as is.

Nobz are just way too squishy for the points to footslog with the rest of the infantry

Big mek with SAG is just over costed for what it can expect to do, and there’s nothing to help bodyguard it where it wants to stay at

Deffkilla is gimped because you have nothing to zoom up with it, and there’s not enough things capitalizing on speedwaaagh to just keep it in the back.

Just give me my seperate kommandos already morkdamnit.

Oooft i'm so torn now between destroying a DA combat patrol for my Sons of sanguinius Homebrew chapter
Or waiting for this
i've heard alot of arguments about getting the DA box..but if i'm honest i want to go for fluff rather than whats Meta
& something about Storm speeder is calling to me
I know i'm probably bonkers but what can you do

JWBS wrote:
Oh okay so either 27th or 4th?

Just keep an eye on the Sunday posts - depending on how GW are approaching their terminology, going on pre-order on the 27th to release on the 4th would be possible, but so would going on pre-order on the 4th to release on the 11th.

I'm tempted by the Necron one for now, to add some more variety to what I've got ahead of working on them next year.

JWBS wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Actually I'd say the downside with the Necron one is the two big walkers and the Rule of 3 since they come in single unit blocks; if you get 2 sets you end up with 1 that is technically "spare"

Got that multiple of three though if you bought Indomitus and one of these, I imagine that will be quite common amongst Necron people.

Indomitus isnt the same walker.

You only really need the two, as I don’t recall them coming in squadrons?

The come alone - so 3 at the very most. As noted you can always sell one and honestly the necron line also converts up really easily as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You only really need the two, as I don’t recall them coming in squadrons?

yeah, i hate spamming units so 2 of them will be perfect for me (its gonna fill the war of the world aesthetic i want for my army)

Also, for everyone saying the contents suck, don't forget that the majority of players are giga casuals that don't aim for tournament winning lists.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim wrote:
The ork one is just… gak

Boyz aren’t all too much better, maybe if they had gotten a trukk?

Don't forget it's the EtB Monopose Boyz, so you're not exactly going to get very useful squads.

chaos0xomega wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Get up early on preorder day would be my advice, I haven't seen any such promise for these (some said they weren't even coming until the announcement a week ago)

I don't understand this advice. Why aren't you guys preordering through your local indy stores?

Imagine assume everyone has access to one of those.

Depends on how limited they will be, I will take multiples to sell for profit later

 CragHack wrote:
Depends on how limited they will be, I will take multiples to sell for profit later

In bird culture, this is considered a dick move

GW is really putting the pinch of scalpers. Stuff like Dominion, or even Octarius, are simply not selling out that fast, if at all. I saw a large FLGS blow out Indomitus last black friday for barely above cost.

It's getting harder to make a buck that way.

Dominions are 60% off in Germany right now

It really depends how much GW makes and also how much demand there is. IF GW's makes "too much" and demand is too low to take it all off the market fast, then scalpers suffer; if GW makes too little then scalpers pick up profits.

IT's a very hard line to walk for GW because different armies can sell at different rates, sometimes almost randomly. Plus over the last 2 years all of GW's numbers got inflated and changed and mess around. Right now sales for their stuff is not just based on internal aspects (power, balance, model quality, army popularity) but also a lot of external factors which can have strange impacts. Eg lockdowns which spike sales; etc

JWBS wrote:
I reiterate, these boxes are great for beginners and experienced collectors alike.

Wrong. SM one is gak from multiple standpoints. If you're new player who wants to play new hotness, Black Templars, 90% of the box is useless to you. You only will really use AI and BG. Maybe a vehicle, but it doesn't really gel with chapter tactic so it's meh filler. If you want to play anything else, AI will be completely useless, eating most of discount, because they have no transport, no delivery mode, no buffing characters, want completely different game plan and chapter rules than the whole rest of the army, and are one mediocre melee unit that will accomplish absolutely nothing on the battlefield before opponent laughs and blasts it to bits as it crawls towards them.

Not to mention both new and old players already have lots of them from starters and more AI is about last thing they need. That's why I said Infiltrators or Reivers would be better, they look cooler, want the same traits as the rest of the Battleforce, have delivery mode, and do something. Literally the only use for AI is to convert a few into Intercessors and Bladeguard using spare bits from both kits, but you don't get many of these so even that is of little value. Hell, I suspect they were put here solely to get rid of them because few sane people would buy AI box when starter ones are vastly cheaper and have the exact same options (and the chapters who like choppy units have better options and even BT, last chapter that could really use them, has better boxes now, sooo...)

GW reselling is a time honoured tradition at this point. The scarcity angle is pretty new, I don't remember so much FOMO / hard to get / limited stuff back in the day, but people have been making a living or at least supplementing their incomes by reselling GW product for literal decades now. Personally I can't really blame them, if it's their best time spent to money earned option, but then again I've also never felt liked I've missed out on anything I wanted due to this practice (Indomitus was a close call I missed the first wave but ofc GW remedied that situation).


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 Irbis wrote:

JWBS wrote:
I reiterate, these boxes are great for beginners and experienced collectors alike.

Wrong. SM one is gak from multiple standpoints. If you're new player who wants to play new hotness, Black Templars, 90% of the box is useless to you. You only will really use AI and BG. Maybe a vehicle, but it doesn't really gel with chapter tactic so it's meh filler. If you want to play anything else, AI will be completely useless, eating most of discount, because they have no transport, no delivery mode, no buffing characters, want completely different game plan and chapter rules than the whole rest of the army, and are one mediocre melee unit that will accomplish absolutely nothing on the battlefield before opponent laughs and blasts it to bits as it crawls towards them.

Not to mention both new and old players already have lots of them from starters and more AI is about last thing they need. That's why I said Infiltrators or Reivers would be better, they look cooler, want the same traits as the rest of the Battleforce, have delivery mode, and do something. Literally the only use for AI is to convert a few into Intercessors and Bladeguard using spare bits from both kits, but you don't get many of these so even that is of little value. Hell, I suspect they were put here solely to get rid of them because few sane people would buy AI box when starter ones are vastly cheaper and have the exact same options (and the chapters who like choppy units have better options and even BT, last chapter that could really use them, has better boxes now, sooo...)

Dude shut up that first bit about BT is completely irrelevant, even the most deranged GW hater isn't expecting this to be a BT box, and the second bit about not having characters or transports is remedied by buying...you guessed it, a couple of characters or transports. I never said this is some sort of magic bullet that will take on all-comers, I said it is a good box for new and existing players. The second bit about making this phobos stuff is just flat out bizarre, that was what they gave us last year and it was almost universally panned. Are Reivers even good units that people take? (I'll answer this rhetorical question for you, no they aren't, and I know that despite not even playing the game). wtf man.