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I'll just copy here what I said on the rumours thread, for completeness xD:
Well, nothing really surprising there:
The autarch is bland, but OK I guess, the regular rangers are cool, the bike rangers are... there, but the minis are nice.
The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.
I like the look of the rangers on jetbikes even if its silly to have marksmen up on the back of them. I wish they'd have gone with the Autuarch pose and loadout on the art though instead of what they ultimately chose.
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The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.
What's worse? I'm not very familiar with the old ones.
The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.
What's worse? I'm not very familiar with the old ones.
Old warsmith looks cooler to me, both in pose and in it being more of an "evil techmarine" and less of a "regular chaos marine with tentacles":
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The Chosen poses seem to be all "come at me bro" (feet planted as far away from the other as the base allows, and that's mostly it) save for a running one, but they will blend very well with the new chaos marines... mainly by being basically the same bodies as those. The DV ones which these substitute are cooler IMO:
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To me they look nice, but kind of uninspired.
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So we've got the ordinary Rangers, who we see wearing green, camouflage cloaks, presumably to blend in with trees and such. Okay.
Then we see them wearing the exact same camouflage cloaks . . . while riding atop bright-red jetbikes.
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the_scotsman wrote: Yeah, when i read the small novel that is the Death Guard unit options and think about resolving the attacks from a melee-oriented min size death guard squad, the thing that springs to mind is "Accessible!"
Argive wrote: GW seems to have a crystal ball and just pulls hairbrained ideas out of their backside for the most part.
You're not. If you're worried about your opponent using 'fake' rules, you're having fun the wrong way. This hobby isn't about rules. It's about buying Citadel miniatures.
Please report to your nearest GW store for attitude readjustment. Take your wallet.
I love that the Autarch is female. Over the years I've tried to make my Eldar as close to 50/50 male/female as possible, and since Autarchs have always been my favorite HQ, it'll be hard to pass on this set
I'm guessing that the alt torso isn't just male, but goes with the "secret parts" they mention. I'm further venturing a guess that those will be parts for a plastic Yriel.
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I'm guessing that the alt torso isn't just male, but goes with the "secret parts" they mention. I'm further venturing a guess that those will be parts for a plastic Yriel.
This is an excellent theory.
Huge fan of the models, I'm happy for Eldar players for the new sculpts. Part of me is holding out hope that Chosen won't get the Sword Brethren Treatment (And therefore, be useless) but I'm sure it is.
Warpsmith looks amazing, though that Hammer is diffrent than the Rumor engine one. Wonder what the rumor engine hammer is, because it looked way more warp smithy.
The warpsmith looks much better in the video when you get a a rotating view.
The chosen definitely aren't spectacular although the faces are a nice tribute to the old Oblits, lol
The Eldar do look great but I already have 10 rangers, do I really need more?
Bikes are cool, not sure how they'll be used in game.
Autarch looks good and can't wait to see full options.
I like the autarch and rangers, could pass on those jetbikes though.
After seeing the rangers I do hope the guardians get a refresh. They don't need a big rework of their aesthetic, but the kit is showing it's age. An update similar to what tau firewarriors received would be nice, when they got the breachers introduced to the kit.
Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.
Mobile attack platforms, a ranger sniper team, and a beef leader with some on hand long-range fire support... Looks like I'm going to get some Eldar for a late X mas.
Is there word on the move/ sniper support? A 48- fast moving 72 inch range sniper platform could end up being a game changer, when you start dropping squadrons of five or ten.
Then you screen those with generic jetbike squads, and add in some wraths, and you have yourself some sexy looking glass cannons.
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warpedpig wrote: Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.
Yeaaah, snipers shooting from fast moving platform while holding rifle can't ever happe--
Oh wait
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: We had some crazily undercoated units in the recent past, like the Kill Rig or Eradicators. So seems plausible.
The eradicators Dakka boogeyed, strawmanned and screeched about for ages, then almost no serious tournament list ever took? The same ones? Because it's funny, I recall broken FW gak (quadlas contemptor) and ugly (even for squats) attack bikes with melta were far more OP units in 9th. They weren't primaris, though, so you never saw usual trolls going apeshit about them, go figure
The plastic warpsmith is quite a bit worse than the one it replaces, though, and the chosen are pretty bland, so the chaos part is mostly disappointing. Also the dinobot is clearly there to up the price of the box.
What's worse? I'm not very familiar with the old ones.
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warpedpig wrote: Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.
Yeaaah, snipers shooting from fast moving platform while holding rifle can't ever happe--
Oh wait
The shooter is in a stable crouch, the weapon is in a sling supported from the roof, and the helicopter is hovering, and the shooter has a whole team to spot for him.
Even with all that, there's clearly a wobble that will cause accuracy loss.
Whatever point you were trying to prove, you didn't.
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warpedpig wrote: Basically the dumbest concept possible. Putting snipers on the back of a motorcycle essentially. No way to support the rifle. You just have to hold it. Lol. You’d never hit a damn thing. Huge difference from being in a supported shooting position. You’re not gonna be “sniping” like that.
Yeaaah, snipers shooting from fast moving platform while holding rifle can't ever happe--
Oh wait
As the last time you did this, what I see there is still a braced sniper shooting from a stable, hovering plattform.
So... yeah, they can't? Is this a weird way to corroborate it?
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endlesswaltz123 wrote: Humans aren’t elves. Legolas would land shots off the back of a jet bike going 300mph blindfolded. This is justification alone.
It's magic. Stupid looking magic, but magic still.
I have more of a problem with the "leaked rules" of those, if they are true, because what they are doing ain't sniping.
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Eldar arent supermen. You prove my point perfectly posting a video of men in a helicopter. He has a floor to crouch on. The helicopter isnt jinking side to side. The weight of the rifle is supported. The target is also probably very far away.
Now with this dumb ranger bike, the guy has zero support. He cant crouch. He cant rest the rifle on anything. And the targets are gonna be very close, popping up for a split second, or moving. Unless the sniper is on some kind of mind altering drugs, theres no way it would work.
Okay so assuming Eldar are superhuman in ability, still doesnt make them a machine. Its silly nonsense to be sniping from a jetbike. Maybe something higher up and further back. If they were as good as you think, theyd never miss, anything. Theyd be totally OP and win every single game.
Honestly, I could see them sniping from afar, zipping about to good firing positions and then hovering for a bit to land good shots, and it would be cool if their rules supported that.
The ones shown here are just about the opposite: the snipers ignore cover when at less of 12'' of the target, IIRC.
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The Rule of Cool trumps all others... even reality, sometimes.
It's a fast mover long range weapons platform, get over it and move on. Hope they get some better then average Eldar saves on this, though...
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