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Now we need to see what the rest of the Phoenix Lords can do. And what is their points cost going to be. They pretty much tripled the offensive power of Maugan Ra with this update so seeing What the other lords can do will be interesting. Aren’t we supposed to be getting a Phoenix lord for shining spears and a few others ?

warpedpig wrote:
Now we need to see what the rest of the Phoenix Lords can do. And what is their points cost going to be. They pretty much tripled the offensive power of Maugan Ra with this update so seeing What the other lords can do will be interesting. Aren’t we supposed to be getting a Phoenix lord for shining spears and a few others ?

They said six total, so that's just the existing ones. Maugan Ra, Fuegan, Baharroth, Asurmen, Jain Zar, and Karandras.

Ah, Altansar returns with rules to boot! My favourite Craftworld, well now I'm just going to have to purchase some miniatures for this launch.

 Nevelon wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
Well that article on Phoenix Lords was absolutely worthless. Also, going to be a shame to have good rules for resin kits I have absolutely zero desire to buy.

Yah, it was a little light on hard info.

Phoenix lords buff their aspects. Big shock.

If they all hand out ObSec, that could be quite nice. If your reapers are standing on one, it’s a nice little buff, but not anything to build around. Other aspects would gain more from it.

The vibe I got is that I think they were kind of embarrassed by the state Phoenix Lords. I had a feeling they did not want to talk about them so they did not have to link the models! (Because it is pretty embarrassing!)
Its so glaring when you compare maugun ra and jain zar to the others..

warpedpig wrote:
Please stop buying overpriced GW minis. Just get a 3D printer and use the many amazing proxies.

So point some that aren't just straight copies of gw design by talentless losers like tons of stl files are. Only terrain has largely good designs. Miniatures have tons of talentless losers copying gw and i support only people who have actual talent.

Raging heroes released an awesome batch of files that were 15$ and had great Phoenix lords and other models. And you make fun of poor 3D knock off files of GW stuff but there’s a lot of those that are actually extremely good. You have to just be coping hard to think that GW overpriced models are special in any way. A lot of the after market stuff is superior to GW. And you won’t need to wait 25 damn years for new models

You suffer from Stockholm syndrome. You’ve learned to love massively overpaying for models and waiting decades for updates. And you reward this with your hard earned money lol.

Luckily there’s way more people getting into 3D printing and it’s gonna take over.

You really do seem the sort to take a bottle from the Offy into the pub, and then whine when you’re asked to leave.

This seems like a weird and rather sudden tangent for this thread, so much so that I think the poster who caused this had too many tabs open, and meant to put this in the pricing thread.

tneva82 wrote:
So point some that aren't just straight copies of gw design by talentless losers like tons of stl files are.

Don't.... don't be that guy. There are so many STLs out there that are indistinguishable from GW's own kits, making those that modelled them far from 'talentless'.

We've had enough "Recasts are super low quality! Why would anyone get them?" nonsense over the years. Let's not transfer that to 3D prints where things are, arguably, even higher quality.

Harlequins Kill Team rules next month according to the back page of the latest White Dwarf.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You really do seem the sort to take a bottle from the Offy into the pub, and then whine when you’re asked to leave.

Now that's slander !

warpedpig wrote:
Raging heroes released an awesome batch of files that were 15$ and had great Phoenix lords and other models. And you make fun of poor 3D knock off files of GW stuff but there’s a lot of those that are actually extremely good. You have to just be coping hard to think that GW overpriced models are special in any way. A lot of the after market stuff is superior to GW. And you won’t need to wait 25 damn years for new models

You suffer from Stockholm syndrome. You’ve learned to love massively overpaying for models and waiting decades for updates. And you reward this with your hard earned money lol.

Luckily there’s way more people getting into 3D printing and it’s gonna take over.

I mean I can write you a list of complaints about Hero's Infinite's typical sculpting woes.... They are by no means the worst, but for a firm that's been in the market for as long as they have and for a firm that's been doing 3D printing there's more than a few errors that slip their net that shouldn't. Heck people talk about mono-pose with GW - HI recycle a lot of their poses between model lines.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


We've had enough enough "Recasts are super low quality! Why would anyone get them?" nonsense over the years. Let's not transfer that to 3D prints where things are, arguably, even higher quality.

The amount of cope over recasts and 3D printing is absolutely insane.

I will say from personal experience that I have had recasts of superior quality to FW kits (which isn't hard given most FW kits are utter garbage in terms of quality control). With recasting now a bit more stealthy (because of the efforts by GW to try and shut it down, which have been a complete failure and simply force the recasters to operate a bit more carefully), the same people have turned their attention to attacking 3d prints. I can't really understand the mentality; it feels like a blend of consoomer brain (i.e., an inability to not understand they themselves and the brand they like are separate things) or just head in the sand mentality, "Things will always remain the same! GW made figures will always be the best on the market and nothing can ever change that!".

Anyways.

I was thinking of possibly going Altansar for my 2nd Ed Project, as given the Craftworld’s background it seemed fitting.

That the article also includes a paint scheme was a clincher.

 Dysartes wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
Please stop buying overpriced GW minis. Just get a 3D printer and use the many amazing proxies.

Are you seriously popping into a "after 25 years, we are updating the eldar range" thread and asking people to just flat out not buy GW miniatures, on a miniature wargaming forum mostly about GW?

Given the posts from this user throughout this thread, I'm reasonably sure they're a low-quality troll - which is OK, until people quote them.

That last WHC article was a bit of a damp squib, wasn't it? Lots of tell, not a lot of show.

Agree wholeheartedly. Spend your money how you please. Only low quality appears on GWs end tho from the army I bought.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyways.

I was thinking of possibly going Altansar for my 2nd Ed Project, as given the Craftworld’s background it seemed fitting.

That the article also includes a paint scheme was a clincher.

Could you share the paint scheme please ?

I could try some sort of inversed Altansar scheme.

I think an issue I have with painting Eldar is that they tend to be quite monochrome. Its hard to make a bright colour pop if its making about 80% of every model.

Tyel wrote:
I could try some sort of inversed Altansar scheme.

I think an issue I have with painting Eldar is that they tend to be quite monochrome. Its hard to make a bright colour pop if its making about 80% of every model.

For that reason I usually paint them with a different colour for the "mail" and the plates.
For example my own Craftworld looks something like this for the guardians:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You really do seem the sort to take a bottle from the Offy into the pub, and then whine when you’re asked to leave.

Its even worse, hes the type to take a bottle to the pub, but then will whine when the pub goes out of business because he has nowhere left to drink.

There is no game to play with cheap knockoffs without GW. Just look at what happened to WHFB after GW killed it, the community fractured and scattered across a dozen different games from other publishers and various attempts at community editions that have since largely faded into obscurity. The main reason to mess around with GW games is because its convenient - you can find players anywhere and everywhere you go and they are all using the same rules system, whereas other games are more localized and regional and theres often various degrees of house rules associated with them. If GW goes out of business because of some misguided crusade to get people to stop buying their minis (which, btw, never gonna happen, massive waste of time better spent elsewhere), all the convenience of 40k goes away and it becomes just another game - and not a particularly good one at that. That being the case, you're better off just cutting out the middle man/cutting to the chase and quitting 40k and playing warmachine or flames of war or sludge or turnip or whatever instead of doing whatever it is you think you're doing with 40k.

Darkial wrote:

Tyel wrote:
I could try some sort of inversed Altansar scheme.

I think an issue I have with painting Eldar is that they tend to be quite monochrome. Its hard to make a bright colour pop if its making about 80% of every model.

For that reason I usually paint them with a different colour for the "mail" and the plates.
For example my own Craftworld looks something like this for the guardians:

That's a nice color scheme, I like the simplicity of mono color mail and secondary color for shoulders. I've done similar with my wraithguard in the past.

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Anyways.

I was thinking of possibly going Altansar for my 2nd Ed Project, as given the Craftworld’s background it seemed fitting.

That the article also includes a paint scheme was a clincher.

Could you share the paint scheme please ?

Base colour is 1-1 Gal Vorbak Red and Screamer Pink.

Shade is a custom wash 1:1 of Base colour and Incubi Darkness

Highlight 1 is 1:1 Screamer Pink and Evil Sunz Scarlett

Highlight 2 is 1:1 Evil Sunz Scarlett and Ushabti Bone

warpedpig wrote:
Please stop buying overpriced GW minis. Just get a 3D printer and use the many amazing proxies.

Sure, I'll just drop £££ on an over-priced 3D printer that can sit in my small hobby space (that I share with a child) and use it once in a blue moon. A box of Guardians ain't going to break my budget, get the feck out...

Urgg. I hate no LOS weapons. Those D-Cannons plus Night Spinners make me think it's going to be Eldar poking my backline and blasting me when I step onto their territory. Feel likes aircraft will be necessary to get behind them fast enough.

Iracundus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s also a bunch of background which I’m yet to read, as I’ve been doing my Cross Stitch tonight instead.

Care to share? I'm interested if there is any actual concrete expansion of Altansar's background. Ever since they were first mentioned as being brought back out of the Eye of Terror (in the aftermath of the Eye of Terror campaign), there has been virtually nothing substantial beyond them rarely taking off their helmets and others not trusting them. Is there anything on how they managed to survive in the Eye so long? I hope GW doesn't just say they are broody and sullen for "unknown reasons", which after so many years just comes off to me as lack of effort and lazy writing. Sure not everything has to be laid out but if too much is just waved off as unknown and mysterious, it gets tiresome.

There is 8 pages of lore in the WD - anything specific you want to know?

* How they survived - just the same rumous , but 2/3 of the Craftworld is sealed off with Daemonic incursions being watched from specific areas such as the Fortress of the Blazing Suns, Chamber of the Crimson Spear etc.

The Craftworld is heavily militarised and lots of Dark Reapers or Swooping Hawks, no revlsion for Wraith warriors, all are resigned to the fact they will be put in one. They have dropped many rituals and rites in favour of pragmatic procedures. There are no survivors of the time that Maugan lived on the world.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:

 Arschbombe wrote:

l0k1 wrote:Warp Spooders sound fun and annoying, but man I don't want to pick up any more finecrap lol

Artel W makes some very nice not warp spiders.

bullyboy wrote:Well that article on Phoenix Lords was absolutely worthless. Also, going to be a shame to have good rules for resin kits I have absolutely zero desire to buy.

Not totally worthless. It points to why Dire Avengers are moving to elite. It's so Asurmen can give them obsec.

I've been considering Artel W for the Warp Spiders and Fire Dragons for a long time now. Since they're not getting the plastic treatment I may finally pull the trigger. I was really hoping GW would do plastic Swooping Hawks this batch too.

The movement shenanigans with Warp Spiders look pretty fun, it's nice having an anti-charge unit. The only other ones that spring to mind are the Grav tanks that can give -2" to enemy charges and free disengage with a Stratagem. And of course Custodes can use tanglefoot grenades.

A bit late and I've only got the Artel W Warp Spiders, but they are really incredible miniatures. Easily the best resin miniatures I have ever put together.....no flash or mould lines, really crisp and go together super easily. They are far superior to any FW or other resin miniature I have ever owned. At first I was a bit bummed GW wasn't putting out new Warp Spiders, but after getting my hands on these I have a hard time believing they could make better miniatures. I would very highly recommend picking up some if you like the look and want to use the unit.

Once you really get printing, the stuff off them does

Yeah - if there was going to be a launch box we'd almost certainly have seen it by now.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Do we have any inkling if GW is planning a combat patrol with the new stuff in the near-ish future?

Last rumor I heard for the combat patrol is:

Combat Patrol :
and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and
a wraithlord so that's a great start too, just guardians are new

That would suit me just fine, honestly. Thanks!

 Mr Morden wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
There’s also a bunch of background which I’m yet to read, as I’ve been doing my Cross Stitch tonight instead.

Care to share? I'm interested if there is any actual concrete expansion of Altansar's background. Ever since they were first mentioned as being brought back out of the Eye of Terror (in the aftermath of the Eye of Terror campaign), there has been virtually nothing substantial beyond them rarely taking off their helmets and others not trusting them. Is there anything on how they managed to survive in the Eye so long? I hope GW doesn't just say they are broody and sullen for "unknown reasons", which after so many years just comes off to me as lack of effort and lazy writing. Sure not everything has to be laid out but if too much is just waved off as unknown and mysterious, it gets tiresome.

There is 8 pages of lore in the WD - anything specific you want to know?

* How they survived - just the same rumous , but 2/3 of the Craftworld is sealed off with Daemonic incursions being watched from specific areas such as the Fortress of the Blazing Suns, Chamber of the Crimson Spear etc.

The Craftworld is heavily militarised and lots of Dark Reapers or Swooping Hawks, no revlsion for Wraith warriors, all are resigned to the fact they will be put in one. They have dropped many rituals and rites in favour of pragmatic procedures. There are no survivors of the time that Maugan lived on the world.

So the Craftworld is still mostly sealed off and/or ruined despite having escaped the Eye of Terror? If all go into Wraith Warriors, who goes into the Infinity Circuits? What rituals and rites have they dropped?

Any mention of any relationship between Maugan Ra and Altansar past or present? Clearly he was sentimental enough to go into the Eye and help rescue them.

Is it though?

GW developed the game, setting and aesthetic. They put out the models. Then 3rd parties come along and make their take.

Now, you do you. Your money, your time, your choice.

Me? I’m perfectly happy to pay GW my money, because they are the source. Sure their prices are higher, but then they put in the most effort.

Some one else doing rip off models? They’ve……done the minimum, by comparison. Remove GW, or remove 40K. Where is the market for those knock off merchants?

Again though, and this is important. You do you. It’s your money and your choice.

Just know there’ll be folk considering you a cheapskate.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
Please stop buying overpriced GW minis. Just get a 3D printer and use the many amazing proxies.

So point some that aren't just straight copies of gw design by talentless losers like tons of stl files are. Only terrain has largely good designs. Miniatures have tons of talentless losers copying gw and i support only people who have actual talent.

Let's see... just from the Patreons I back, you have Labyrinth Models, Papsikels, Artisan Guild, Anvil Digital Forge, Avatars of War, Twin Goddess Miniatures, Red Nebular and Titan Forge Miniatures. Arguably The Makers Cult, too, but those make GW proxies.

It is a hobby unto itself, though.

Do we have any inkling if GW is planning a combat patrol with the new stuff in the near-ish future?

Last rumor I heard for the combat patrol is:

Combat Patrol :
and the new combat patrol has guardians, farseer, jetbikes and
a wraithlord so that's a great start too, just guardians are new

No idea if there might be a launch box or anything like that. I’d not expect one, but that’s just me guessing.

Huh, funny, i would've expected them to toss the new Autarch in there