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 Nevelon wrote:
Combat patrols are $140

Wraithlord -$55
Jetbikes 2 @ $50 - $100
Farseer - $29
Guardian (old squad price) $40

That’s a pretty nice deal. And a reasonable balanced box. Was not expecting 6 bikes.

Is this taking the price hikes into account? I believe Combat Patrols were not excluded from it, so by my math Combat Patrols should hike to $147 assuming that its a straight 5%. If GW is price bracketing it might actually be $150 instead.

Savings percentage should stay about the same since the contents will also go up?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Combat patrols are $140

Wraithlord -$55
Jetbikes 2 @ $50 - $100
Farseer - $29
Guardian (old squad price) $40

That’s a pretty nice deal. And a reasonable balanced box. Was not expecting 6 bikes.

Is this taking the price hikes into account? I believe Combat Patrols were not excluded from it, so by my math Combat Patrols should hike to $147 assuming that its a straight 5%. If GW is price bracketing it might actually be $150 instead.

Nope. Math is from GW’s website at time of post. And before my first cup of coffee, so of questionable accuracy.

Assuming GW raises everything equally, the ratio of savings should be the same, or close to it. But your point of price brackets is a good one. Sometimes GW rounds things to odd places.

It's currently 177,50€ for 110€

Expecting units to go up by 1-2€ each and the CP by 10 I guess, we know SC are going up by 5. So maybe 5€ less saving than before, which brings it more in line to 35%ish percent.

When the initial leaks about the combat patrol came out I had assumed it would be just the one unit of Jetbikes, seems like a pretty decent deal all round if the cost is as people have estimated.

Still glad that I have picked up a couple of the start collecting sets just for the Wraithguard and War Walkers, but the 18 miniatures in the combat patrol is a lot better than the 8 in the Start Collecting.

£135 in proper money, not allowing for any New Kit increase in the Guardians, but also not adding the current additional cost for Storm Guardians.

Even if it does go up the 5%, it’s a pretty decent saving.

If only I had just bought a Wraithlord and 6 Jetbikes I’d have been on this like a fat Lass on chips.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
When the initial leaks about the combat patrol came out I had assumed it would be just the one unit of Jetbikes, seems like a pretty decent deal all round if the cost is as people have estimated.

Still glad that I have picked up a couple of the start collecting sets just for the Wraithguard and War Walkers, but the 18 miniatures in the combat patrol is a lot better than the 8 in the Start Collecting.

Could be less. One of the older SC boxes had 5 models. Jetseer, 3 bikes, and a fire prism.

Great box, but low count.


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For people who have the current one, there is a bit of overlap. How many WLs and farseers on foot do you need?

For those os us who bought 2 of the current box, makes it hard to get excited about the new one. Also not sure if I’d recommend a new player try to grab the current kit before it disappears, or just get the new one.

New Combat Patrols will be 120€
Windriders 42.5€
Wraithlord 45€
Farseer 23€
If the new Guardian Squad would be 40€ now it will be 42.5€ after the hike

All of that would 195,5€ then instead of 185€ now which changes it from 40.54% to 38.62%

But it could be better in pounds since the EU was hit harder with the price hike than US and UK
(For example intercessors only go up £1 which would make it 2.85% of £35 in Uk but go up by 2.5€ which is 5.5% of 45€ for the EU)

 Nevelon wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
When the initial leaks about the combat patrol came out I had assumed it would be just the one unit of Jetbikes, seems like a pretty decent deal all round if the cost is as people have estimated.

Still glad that I have picked up a couple of the start collecting sets just for the Wraithguard and War Walkers, but the 18 miniatures in the combat patrol is a lot better than the 8 in the Start Collecting.

Could be less. One of the older SC boxes had 5 models. Jetseer, 3 bikes, and a fire prism.

Great box, but low count.


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For people who have the current one, there is a bit of overlap. How many WLs and farseers on foot do you need?

For those os us who bought 2 of the current box, makes it hard to get excited about the new one. Also not sure if I’d recommend a new player try to grab the current kit before it disappears, or just get the new one.

Tbh the overlap is not the best but does not bother me. The Farseer's are not ideal but combined with the jetbike farseer/warlock and upcoming Warlock kit kitbashes are easy. And there are so many options on the Wraithlord that having multiples is not an issue.

No real news that has not been already revealed today:


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/15/aspect-warriors-are-getting-a-power-boost-worthy-of-khaine-himself/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=warhammer-40,000&utm_content=pathofthepreview150222&fbclid=IwAR0zJaFDvdL8J2YSrzn8GsfVBKxZD-pYqZ-rQN2jT9LylE4VzctwmqLyiYw

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:
When the initial leaks about the combat patrol came out I had assumed it would be just the one unit of Jetbikes, seems like a pretty decent deal all round if the cost is as people have estimated.

Still glad that I have picked up a couple of the start collecting sets just for the Wraithguard and War Walkers, but the 18 miniatures in the combat patrol is a lot better than the 8 in the Start Collecting.

Could be less. One of the older SC boxes had 5 models. Jetseer, 3 bikes, and a fire prism.

Great box, but low count.


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For people who have the current one, there is a bit of overlap. How many WLs and farseers on foot do you need?

For those os us who bought 2 of the current box, makes it hard to get excited about the new one. Also not sure if I’d recommend a new player try to grab the current kit before it disappears, or just get the new one.

Tbh the overlap is not the best but does not bother me. The Farseer's are not ideal but combined with the jetbike farseer/warlock and upcoming Warlock kit kitbashes are easy. And there are so many options on the Wraithlord that having multiples is not an issue.

Good point on the upcoming warlocks and the foot seer. Will be nice to see sprue pics of them to figure out how much can be done.

I’ve already got 2 plastic WLs, and an old metal one. I shouldn’t need a new one, but they are fantastically fun kits to build.

I’ve got over a dozen bikes, but feel I should have more. Budget and painting time keep that in line though.

Overall I like the box and would give it a solid recommendation, but probably won’t get one myself. Too much new stuff needs my attention/money.

Can't say that the new CP box entices me, but I am also an old Eldar player so I have around 25 jetbikes and 6 wraithlords already along with various variations of farseers.

New article on aspect warriors.

Don’t think there was anything we didn’t already know there, but good to have stuff verified.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/15/aspect-warriors-are-getting-a-power-boost-worthy-of-khaine-himself/

 Nevelon wrote:
New article on aspect warriors.

Don’t think there was anything we didn’t already know there, but good to have stuff verified.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/15/aspect-warriors-are-getting-a-power-boost-worthy-of-khaine-himself/

I do love that Aspect Warriors are getting 5++ saves. Will make them much more survivable and useful. Also, the T4 on the heavy aspect armor sounds really nice.

Striking Scropions must be jumping up and down say “what about us?”

Do we know if all the heavy aspects are getting T4 or just the Fire Dragons? I would love it if the Scorpions also got T4.

The new DA Shuriken Catapult looks nice, I'm eager to see what the Exarch options are.

Well shoot. I highly doubt Windriders are getting moved back to Troops if they are included 6 of them AND Guardians in the Combat Patrol. Would be weird to have that many Troops in a CP box.

Oh well. Let's hope Windriders get SOMETHING they can do better that Shining Spears, Shroud Runners or Vypers. Because as it stands, those 3 all beat WRs in some way that it doesn't make sense to take Windriders over the other choices.

Regarding Spiders: I wonder if they Auto-hit like the Autarchs Spinner? The Article didn't mention it, but DID list Abilities: Blast.
I wonder if they left it out or if the Autarch gets a special one.
Even without the Auto-hit, Assault d6 and AP2 are straight upgrades

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Do we know if all the heavy aspects are getting T4 or just the Fire Dragons? I would love it if the Scorpions also got T4.

I doubt it. It seems Dragons get T4 because their armour is designed to be a bit heat resistant.
Reapers (who also have heavier plate armour) don't appear to have T4
Scorpions are supposed to be stealthy sneaky, so heavier armour wouldn't make sense (other than the 3+ armour they've always had)

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Oh joy, more proliferation of Invuls.

Also the Avenger gun is just silly.

The Avenger shuriken rifle is a hot-shot lasgun... but better.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Oh joy, more proliferation of Invuls.

Also the Avenger gun is just silly.

Hard disagree. Aspect Warriors needed a survivability boost (honestly, not sure a 5++ will cut it but we'll see) and a boost on offense. Moving DA to Elite and hiking points is a good move, they (and the others, though I'm not sold on Banshees or Hawks) will feel like Aspect Warriors now.


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chaos0xomega wrote:
The Avenger shuriken rifle is a hot-shot lasgun... but better.

Yes, and an Aspect Warrior is more elite and experienced than a Scion, with more advanced technology, what's your point?

You really don't see anything wrong with a 18" AP-2 Assault 3 gun?

Off the back of my ongoing 2nd Ed Eldar project, it’s nice to see Aspect Warriors starting to sound quite fearsome on the board.

It’s been a long time coming, and I’m quite happy

EviscerationPlague wrote:
You really don't see anything wrong with a 18" AP-2 Assault 3 gun?

You mean it should be 24" range like 2nd edition?

EviscerationPlague wrote:
You really don't see anything wrong with a 18" AP-2 Assault 3 gun?

Not really, no. Especially not when it’s wielded by a T3, W1 model?

Yeah they’ll kick out the firepower and nicely so. But it won’t take a huge amount of firepower to take that squad out?

 Eldarsif wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
You really don't see anything wrong with a 18" AP-2 Assault 3 gun?

You mean it should be 24" range like 2nd edition?

Also now that DAs are an elite pick, we should not be comparing their guns with basic troop rifles, but with things like sternguard special ammo bolters.

If they were handing those out to basic guardians, it might be a bit much.

 Eldarsif wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
You really don't see anything wrong with a 18" AP-2 Assault 3 gun?

You mean it should be 24" range like 2nd edition?

I really don't think 24" is super necessary. With 7" move and Advance, we should have no issues getting into range. And if you didn't need to Advance in the first place (never had issues getting my DAs in range before) you can now Battle focus behind terrain.
It's also VERY likely that DAs are going to get some kind of Bladestorm rule or strat

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 Galef wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:
You really don't see anything wrong with a 18" AP-2 Assault 3 gun?

You mean it should be 24" range like 2nd edition?

I really don't think 24" is super necessary. With 7" move and Advance, we should have no issues getting into range. And if you didn't need to Advance in the first place (never had issues getting my DAs in range before) you can now Battle focus behind terrain.
It's also VERY likely that DAs are going to get some kind of Bladestorm rule or strat

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Yes, getting a classic take on the Battle Focus is a welcome surprise in the new book.

Ultimately I think the new Dire Avengers are going to be super fun to try out, but I wonder how bloated the Elite slot is going to be.

What I am most interested in seeing is all the new Phoenix Lord rules. If they are as promising as Maugan Ra I can imagine a lot of themed lists coming out of the new book.

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Avenger shuriken rifle is a hot-shot lasgun... but better.

Yes, and an Aspect Warrior is more elite and experienced than a Scion, with more advanced technology, what's your point?

Chaos' point is that the hotshot is supposed to be comparable, but all of a sudden isn't.

Anyways, here's an image of the Combat Patrol for those who don't want to view the video:


It's sadly a FB image though.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
£135 in proper money, not allowing for any New Kit increase in the Guardians, but also not adding the current additional cost for Storm Guardians.

Even if it does go up the 5%, it’s a pretty decent saving.

If only I had just bought a Wraithlord and 6 Jetbikes I’d have been on this like a fat Lass on chips.

That is awesome! I can't wait to get my little mitts on it, especially when I go to somewhere that does an additional percentage off retail.

Them aspect warriors be looking sweet too.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gene St. Ealer wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
The Avenger shuriken rifle is a hot-shot lasgun... but better.

Yes, and an Aspect Warrior is more elite and experienced than a Scion, with more advanced technology, what's your point?

Chaos' point is that the hotshot is supposed to be comparable, but all of a sudden isn't.

Yeah, but I'm sure hotshot las will get a nice glow-up with a new book too (though yeah, it's a travesty that Guard seems to be at the very back of the line).

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that Assurman now gives DAs object secured. I wonder if the Phoenix lords will still count as HQs or if they will be considered slot free if mixed with their aspect. If they're still HQs then that will mean that we probably won't be seeing them in play any more than they are currently.