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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Empower. Charging Bumshees.

Maureens wounded on a 2+.

Sounds pretty saucy!

dont wanna dissapoint you but they'd still only be wounding on 3's, you cant stack more than +1/-1 now, it would only be useful against stuff with -1 to wound


as for the pricing on the warlocks , characters are already mad expensive, getting two of them in a box for less than twice the price is fine IMO. (in context of GW pricing, its still majorly overpriced like everything they release).

Just checked UK prices for the Gravis captain and Primaris Ancient, all 23.50 for single characters

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
£32.50 for 2 warlocks with limited options is ludicrous.

I'll trade you a cheaper-ish Skitarii Marshal treatment with no options(or power sword despite having it modeled on!) for the 2 warlock treatment?

Saying that the Warlocks have "options" is a bit rich.

You get 2 hands and 2 weapons. Not much of an option.

The Wraithknight is coming in strong. Wants it place back as OP model in the codex:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/21/get-ready-to-be-frightened-of-wraithknights-again/

Jacob29 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
£32.50 for 2 warlocks with limited options is ludicrous.

I'll trade you a cheaper-ish Skitarii Marshal treatment with no options(or power sword despite having it modeled on!) for the 2 warlock treatment?

Saying that the Warlocks have "options" is a bit rich.

You get 2 hands and 2 weapons. Not much of an option.

Yeah, ‘limited options’ was probably too generous on my part. You can pick which body has the sword and which has the spear.

Jacob29 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
£32.50 for 2 warlocks with limited options is ludicrous.

I'll trade you a cheaper-ish Skitarii Marshal treatment with no options(or power sword despite having it modeled on!) for the 2 warlock treatment?

Saying that the Warlocks have "options" is a bit rich.

You get 2 hands and 2 weapons. Not much of an option.

Warlocks are a character you'll take multiples of, right?

Any options are better than no options in that regard. That's more what I'm getting at here. Because you've got:
4x heads (Helmeted and unhelmeted options for each)
4x right hands(potentially: it says that there are options for a Shuriken Pistol+Space Magic for each but the promo pictures only show the one set)
2x weapon options, usable across either.


Could the box have been better? Absolutely. But it isn't as awful as you're making it out to be.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Jacob29 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
£32.50 for 2 warlocks with limited options is ludicrous.

I'll trade you a cheaper-ish Skitarii Marshal treatment with no options(or power sword despite having it modeled on!) for the 2 warlock treatment?

Saying that the Warlocks have "options" is a bit rich.

You get 2 hands and 2 weapons. Not much of an option.

Warlocks are a character you'll take multiples of, right?

Any options are better than no options in that regard. That's more what I'm getting at here. Because you've got:
4x heads (Helmeted and unhelmeted options for each)
4x right hands(potentially: it says that there are options for a Shuriken Pistol+Space Magic for each but the promo pictures only show the one set)
2x weapon options, usable across either.


Could the box have been better? Absolutely. But it isn't as awful as you're making it out to be.

Fair enough, admittedly I forgot about the 4 heads.

But realistically the heads are the only "choice" you have when it comes to building them.

Like I said, it wasn't an attempt to "woe is me!"--just that as a character likely to be repeated any options are better than no options. Especially if they come two to a box already.

I'm still holding out hope for you guys that there's really 4 right hand options!

Okay, they can shove the reapers and maugan.

Going forward its just the codex and a warwalker.

 DaveC wrote:
UK and EU prices

Codex £32.50 €42.50
Guardians £32.50 €42.50
Warlocks £32.50 €42.50
Dark Reapers £35 €45
Maugan Ra £27.50 €35
Dice £24 €31.50

The Trimuviate are direct only so no prices yet.

Wow...it's going to take a very very long time to build into Eldar. Might as well wait for the newer models in 20 years.


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 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:
Yeah 40 for two characters (with limited options and conservative poses) seems a bit much... Especially when you compare it with the pack of 3 warlock and one Farseer (for 26 !). I know they bear the curse of resin but I think I'll go for them. At least until I can get them for less.

I was happy to pay $60 for 3 exalted sorcers, but that kit was loaded. Not sure what comes in this one, but I doubt it's as versatile.

So what's US prices on this lot?

Wraithknights worth it now? What are the rules...-1 to Damage, 5++ save can be upgraded to 4++???

I bought 3 from a friend, no idea how they are kitted out. Might have to find a way to rearm them....

Armies with releases in the past 2 years have been paying these prices and more, I can see why collectors of an army that havent bought anything for 20 years might balk at the prices though. These are actually almost reasonable if you compare to admech.

£18.50 for a single static marshall, not even posable not so much as a head option.
£32 for a SINGLE ironstrider.
£45 for a transport.
£35 for THREE dogs

Pretty much have to be the master of magnetism to get full value from anything you buy these days. If it ain't a dual-kit it's not worth it lol

These are the official GW prices mind, which I never pay when you get the exact same thing with better service from a flgs for 20% less.

I'm surprised they didn't price hike the codex and cards given it covers 3 armies.

General Hobbs wrote:


Wraithknights worth it now? What are the rules...-1 to Damage, 5++ save can be upgraded to 4++???

I bought 3 from a friend, no idea how they are kitted out. Might have to find a way to rearm them....

according to leaks theyre gonna be about 500pts each (3 of them is close to 1.5k)

i will finally have an excuse to paint mine up, and finally gonna be able to play a non Imperial knight, non Supreme commander Lord of War without feeling like i'm throwing the game

 DaveC wrote:
UK and EU prices

Codex £32.50 €42.50
Guardians £32.50 €42.50
Warlocks £32.50 €42.50
Dark Reapers £35 €45
Maugan Ra £27.50 €35
Dice £24 €31.50

The Trimuviate are direct only so no prices yet.

That list has convinced me that what I need most is a 3D printer.

 alextroy wrote:
The Wraithknight is coming in strong. Wants it place back as OP model in the codex:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/21/get-ready-to-be-frightened-of-wraithknights-again/

I don't really see it being the OP model of Dakka Lore on it's own. The half CP to reserve certainly makes for an easy beta strike. Double suncannon doesn't jive well against Crisis W4 and the blast will only come into play against 11+ where suit units are typically 10 or less. On a typical day it would kill perhaps 3 drones.

The item of note is the -1D, which really sets it in an curious spot and I wonder if IK/CK will see the same thing.

 bullyboy wrote:
So what's US prices on this lot?

US prices added - based on current GW prices for similarly priced products.

Codex £32.50 €42.50 $55
Guardians £32.50 €42.50 $55
Warlocks £32.50 €42.50 $55
Dark Reapers £35 €45 $60
Maugan Ra £27.50 €35 $45
Dice £24 €31.50 $40

I'd be surprised if IK/CK don't also get -1D it would be strange for Dreadnoughts to get it and Knights wouldn't.

I picked up a Wraithknight in 8th edition and put on the glaive to match my Wraithlords. I've never used it but I may give it a go in 9th.

I don't much care for the Warcom tagline that Custodes and Deathguard would fear it since they're speaking as if you should take a Wraithknight to lay waste to infantry. Half the fun of giant models is to challenge your opponents giant model in a duel to the death.

 DaveC wrote:

 bullyboy wrote:
So what's US prices on this lot?

US prices added - based on current GW prices for similarly priced products.

Codex £32.50 €42.50 $55
Guardians £32.50 €42.50 $55
Warlocks £32.50 €42.50 $55
Dark Reapers £35 €45 $60
Maugan Ra £27.50 €35 $45
Dice £24 €31.50 $40

Yea seems about right. Exalted are £35 and $60 so $27.50 per Warlock is just....yuck.


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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
I don't much care for the Warcom tagline that Custodes and Deathguard would fear it since they're speaking as if you should take a Wraithknight to lay waste to infantry. Half the fun of giant models is to challenge your opponents giant model in a duel to the death.

Yea DG termies don't care much. Plague Marines lose 5 to two Suncannons, but we're talking 500 points v 100. 0+ Custodes lose two models. Those are of course all averages so you could lose 3 or 4 Custodes fairly easily, but again you're talking about a pretty sizeable point differential.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
The Wraithknight is coming in strong. Wants it place back as OP model in the codex:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/02/21/get-ready-to-be-frightened-of-wraithknights-again/

I don't really see it being the OP model of Dakka Lore on it's own. The half CP to reserve certainly makes for an easy beta strike. Double suncannon doesn't jive well against Crisis W4 and the blast will only come into play against 11+ where suit units are typically 10 or less. On a typical day it would kill perhaps 3 drones.

The item of note is the -1D, which really sets it in an curious spot and I wonder if IK/CK will see the same thing.

cant take double suncannons

Sword & Board
Suncannon & Board
Dual Wraithcannons

the knight is a melee model anyway, its guns are mostly for show. With the webway gate, it becomes pretty safe to use (and its tanky enough even without the gate)

I'm not sure how and average of 14 attacks that expects 6 Wounding Hits at AP -3 and 3 Wounds translates into three dead drones unless you are exclusively packing Shield Drones. Otherwise, it's a drone a Wounding Hit with no Save and 3 Wounds to a Battle per failed save. Not shabby.

And when you are firing at anything other than a Tau Battlesuit, that's a spicy weapon. 15 Wounds to a T7 3+ armor vehicle. 3 dead Custodes. 5 Dead Marines of any type including Plague Marines (but only 2 DG Terminators).

 alextroy wrote:
I'm not sure how and average of 14 attacks that expects 6 Wounding Hits at AP -3 and 3 Wounds translates into three dead drones unless you are exclusively packing Shield Drones. Otherwise, it's a drone a Wounding Hit with no Save and 3 Wounds to a Battle per failed save. Not shabby.

And when you are firing at anything other than a Tau Battlesuit, that's a spicy weapon. 15 Wounds to a T7 3+ armor vehicle. 3 dead Custodes. 5 Dead Marines of any type including Plague Marines (but only 2 DG Terminators).

not sure where you're getting 14 attacks on average when the max is 12. They can't dual wield suncannons

 bullyboy wrote:
what am I missing, the preview says there are rules for 5 psychic disciplines. So, Phantasmancy, Ynnari, Runes of Fate, Runes of battle.....what's the 5th?

Corsair psychic powers perhaps? The kill team box has some psykers in it right?

I didn't see anybody comment on it but Phantasmacy has a couple cool powers (I love the return to old-style Veil of Tears and Fog of Dreams that make it so enemies can't shoot you) but some really, really pants ones too. Mirror of Minds, Shards of Light, and Webway Dance are all statistically worse than powers in other books that don't get used. I can't believe they kept the same design on Mirror of Minds where leadership doesn't come into play, and kept it at WC 7. Same for the Webway Dance; I know it's a 6'' aura but it's a 6+++; it's just not that useful for being relatively hard to cast.

Psychic powers were one of the areas where I really hoped that Harlequins would see a big improvement, and it doesn't seem to have come. So far they are the biggest letdown of the book, I don't have any gripes about the CWE leaks we've seen.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

Yea seems about right. Exalted are £35 and $60 so $27.50 per Warlock is just....yuck.

Yeah. My interest in these two warlocks just evaporated. I'd rather go hunt for OOP metals at that price point.

And you don't even get two spears and two swords. Just one of each.

Scorpion king is a beast like he should be.

 vipoid wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
UK and EU prices

Codex £32.50 €42.50
Guardians £32.50 €42.50
Warlocks £32.50 €42.50
Dark Reapers £35 €45
Maugan Ra £27.50 €35
Dice £24 €31.50

The Trimuviate are direct only so no prices yet.

That list has convinced me that what I need most is a 3D printer.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And you don't even get two spears and two swords. Just one of each.

Yep. The kit seems like a big miss all around. This kit and the semi-but-not-really compatible autarchs are just really dumb. Who is making these bone-headed decisions?

That's a lot of attacks for the Scorpion King. Looks solid, I'm hoping Fuegan end up just as viable.

 The Red Hobbit wrote:
That's a lot of attacks for the Scorpion King. Looks solid, I'm hoping Fuegan end up just as viable.

Unsure, but he'll probably be T5 if he follows the dragon stats.

Jain Zar is supposed to have a double attack as well - so either 6 with blade of destruction, or 12 with a different profile.