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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gert wrote:
So this block of CSM releases will surely see the MoP and Oblits released right? Right? RIGHT?

Master of Possession is an individual sprue so likely will...

Until Obliterators are getting their own kit though, they share a sprue with a Venomcrawler. I don't know how they'll handle that aside from maybe it going into a Combat Patrol set?

Going to a combat patrol seems the most likely. Unless we get a new Oblit/Mutalator dual kit, but that seems somewhat unlikely at this point.

Any suspension of disbelief about shooting a sniper rifle from a bike is removed for me by the ridiculous technology and pure reflexes of the Eldar.

I really like both sides of this box. The only hard choice for me will be whether i get one or two.

 Gert wrote:
I've just had a proper look at the Warpsmith and I can't get past how sad the skull on the model's belt looks

Spoiler:

It was taken directly from a Guardsman called Marvin.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
So, how long after this releases do we expect before we see separate releases for these kits? Assuming they don't lock the CSM stuff in a SC box again.

In the Before Times, it was around 5 months for the one-off characters that would show up in these boxes.
Less time than that if there was a unit involved too. Usually ballparked 3-4 months?

Longer times if the sets were AoS.

Thanks Kan. About what I expected. Of course, as you said, that was in the "Before Times". Still, worth the wait in order to avoid spending money on Eldar models and a daemon engine I don't want.

Now we just need to see the sprues and make sure gw didn't go and use different shoulder joints than the CSM, Havocs, and Raptor/Warp Talons kits.

Nice new models, craftworlds especially!

Anyone intrigued about chosen as troops? Most battle boxes are a playable battle forged detachment (usually a patrol I think), the chaos half of the box doesn't fit in any detachment though - might be a hint at the revamped black legion trait I guess?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Wonder if the Shroud Runners have Scatter Lasers as standard? All three models clearly at have them as an option.

Given that new figures in these kinda of boxes are typically given the stock loadout, I'd say it's a safe bet they do come with Scatters standard.
In fact, I'd actually be surprised if they even had the option for Shuriken catapults. Rangers were never meant to get up close.
And even with the rumor that catapults will be 18", that's still a bit too close.

It would be a really great balance of biker roles.
Shroud runners scout ahead, picking off targets from afar
Vypers bring the heavier weapons
Shining Spears get up close and personal
And Windriders** fill the generalist role



**please be Troops again, please be Troops again!

 Insularum wrote:
Nice new models, craftworlds especially!

Anyone intrigued about chosen as troops? Most battle boxes are a playable battle forged detachment (usually a patrol I think), the chaos half of the box doesn't fit in any detachment though - might be a hint at the revamped black legion trait I guess?

There's a rumour that Rangers are being moved to Elite. If True, this box would contain no Troops for Eldar, so it's possibly the same for Chaos
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i hope the Chosen are neither monopose nor PM style loadout.

Not Online!!! wrote:
i hope the Chosen are neither monopose nor PM style loadout.

Well, I don't think you have to worry about the second one. At least for now.

They look really monopose- the ones pointing or aiming are can't really be swapped with anything else and have a reasonable looking model.

The only glimmer of hope is the text mentions powerfists and nobody has one.... but then, the lightning claws may be a simply add-on to the powerfists, as generally LC gloves aren't that chunky.
But given the way they got a bit giddy about weapon options for the Autarch, the lack of clear statement on the Chosen speaks volumes.
Also, given the use of 'harangue' with sniper fire on jetbikes, clearly the text isn't to be trusted or taken seriously.

One of the Chosen's weapons has been swapped out for a power fist in this image.

Take a second look at the Autarch see how she is leaning backwards on the tactical rock, except her tassels on the front, her cloak and her banner aren't

Its probably safe to assume each chosen has a A and B variant to assembly. No doubt there will be a warcom article focusing on the kit.

well that one chosen there solves one rumor engine, the one with skull flags

I'm gonna buy this!

I could use another Forgefiend, and I like the Warpsmith.

The Chosen... make me think I would need to see the sprues.

It's not that they're bad sculpts, but I still feel a little burned over Havocs and Chaincannons. Only getting one has meant a lot of work procuring alternates.

People sniping from helicopters have far better supported positions to shoot from than this nonsense. I guess its 40k so its just a game, so rule of cool comes first. But its not at all realistic. Its like trying to be a sniper from the back of a motorcycle. its not happening.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Its probably safe to assume each chosen has a A and B variant to assembly. No doubt there will be a warcom article focusing on the kit.

As long as there is more variety than the Sword Brethren kit. I hope they don't mulch the Chosen and Terminator datasheets due to availability.

 techsoldaten wrote:
I could use another Forgefiend, and I like the Warpsmith.

The Chosen... make me think I would need to see the sprues.

It's not that they're bad sculpts, but I still feel a little burned over Havocs and Chaincannons. Only getting one has meant a lot of work procuring alternates.

the way I see it if they're not highly swappable with lots of bits they'll be mostly useless as a stand alone army and will end up basicly being "a box of 5 sergants"

 Sasori wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Gert wrote:
So this block of CSM releases will surely see the MoP and Oblits released right? Right? RIGHT?

Master of Possession is an individual sprue so likely will...

Until Obliterators are getting their own kit though, they share a sprue with a Venomcrawler. I don't know how they'll handle that aside from maybe it going into a Combat Patrol set?

Going to a combat patrol seems the most likely. Unless we get a new Oblit/Mutalator dual kit, but that seems somewhat unlikely at this point.

The Hammer from the rumor engine was not for the warpsmity, I'm still thinking mutilator for that. And with GW liking the build 2 options from a single pose, a kit of 2/3 bodies that build mutilator or obliterators would make sense

warpedpig wrote:
People sniping from helicopters have far better supported positions to shoot from than this nonsense. I guess its 40k so its just a game, so rule of cool comes first. But its not at all realistic. Its like trying to be a sniper from the back of a motorcycle. its not happening.

I mean... Yeah, it's not realistic. Neither are Space Elves that ride hover-bikes in the first place. Or monomolecular shuriken catapults. Look, there's a lot you can rag on 40k for-but being unrealistic isn't something worth ragging for.

warpedpig wrote:
People sniping from helicopters have far better supported positions to shoot from than this nonsense. I guess its 40k so its just a game, so rule of cool comes first. But its not at all realistic. Its like trying to be a sniper from the back of a motorcycle. its not happening.

But these aren't people, these are space-elves. Gifted with skills and generations (in human terms) of practice and focus and dedication. Then equipped with superior alien technology - the idea that they can snipe from the back of a jet-bike is no more insane than a the mutated half-breed result of alien DNA being infected into humans shooting a sniper from a dirt bike. Or a man wielding power armour being able to go toe to toe with an ork and win (sometimes).


Personally I think its a very Eldar kind of thing, heck Wood Elves were sniping from eagles for years and they weren't even sitting down!

 JNAProductions wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
People sniping from helicopters have far better supported positions to shoot from than this nonsense. I guess its 40k so its just a game, so rule of cool comes first. But its not at all realistic. Its like trying to be a sniper from the back of a motorcycle. its not happening.

I mean... Yeah, it's not realistic. Neither are Space Elves that ride hover-bikes in the first place. Or monomolecular shuriken catapults. Look, there's a lot you can rag on 40k for-but being unrealistic isn't something worth ragging for.

No matter how much you try to rationalize it, if you'r gut reaction is "it looks stupid", it just does. It's kind of like Logan on the Santa Klaws sledge: it really doesn't matter if it's "realistic" or "feasible" for the setting, to me it just looks stupid.

And of course it's a personal thing.

 Overread wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
People sniping from helicopters have far better supported positions to shoot from than this nonsense. I guess its 40k so its just a game, so rule of cool comes first. But its not at all realistic. Its like trying to be a sniper from the back of a motorcycle. its not happening.

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Personally I think its a very Eldar kind of thing, heck Wood Elves were sniping from eagles for years and they weren't even sitting down!

Oh, wow. I'd managed to repress all the arguments about how stupid those were! Thanks for bringing all that back up.

Now, bird snipers or motorcycle snipers? Which are more ridiculous?

Anybody else notice that the Warpsmith looks like the Primaris Techmarine, and the Chosen Champion looks like Kranon/Lord from Dark Vengeance?

Chaos is a dark mirror to the Imperial Space Marines. The two similar units being similar is a good design concept IMO because you can compare it with what that CSM might have been had they been loyal. Also, it means you can mix the kits together for shenanigans without losing too much of the posing.
Please let's not turn this into a whine about the design team being lazy, I've seen enough of that bs on other platforms.

On the Autarch.

Multiple weapon options are a good idea. Make them compatible with the existing Autarch is an even better idea.

If memory serves, we really just need to see the Warp Jump gennie and Deathspinner, and that’s all the original options from the first metal ones covered? Assuming the mask here is a Banshee mask?

Voss wrote:

 Overread wrote:

warpedpig wrote:
People sniping from helicopters have far better supported positions to shoot from than this nonsense. I guess its 40k so its just a game, so rule of cool comes first. But its not at all realistic. Its like trying to be a sniper from the back of a motorcycle. its not happening.

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Personally I think its a very Eldar kind of thing, heck Wood Elves were sniping from eagles for years and they weren't even sitting down!

Oh, wow. I'd managed to repress all the arguments about how stupid those were! Thanks for bringing all that back up.

Now, bird snipers or motorcycle snipers? Which are more ridiculous?

And yet somewhere somehow someone has likely spent years practicing surfing and shooting arrows to the point where they can surf a wave and fire arrows at deadly accuracy.
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Also clearly we need elves shooting arrows whilst surfing on a bird that's riding on a bike!

I mean, its not that far off from the concept of archer cavalry.

Also, I was under the impression that they use the bike to get to a concealed sniper position, stand still, take the shot, then buzz off to another position before the enemy figures out your location etc. Kinda like the sniper duel scenes in Enemy at the Gates and what have you.

The real complaint is why does a sniper think that riding a bike and wearing a hood at the same time are good ideas

 Esmer wrote:
I mean, its not that far off from the concept of archer cavalry.

Also, I was under the impression that they use the bike to get to a concealed sniper position, stand still, take the shot, then buzz off to another position before the enemy figures out your location etc. Kinda like the sniper duel scenes in Enemy at the Gates and what have you.

Not really, according to the leaked rules (veracity still in question):



That would assume they need to get very close and personal to benefit of the rule.

 GaroRobe wrote:
The real complaint is why does a sniper think that riding a bike and wearing a hood at the same time are good ideas

How else are you going to get cool cape and hood fluttering?

Also its most likely there because its part of their general equipment and uniform and if the bike gets shot down they can throw their cape over themselves to conceal themselves and sneak back to friendly lines; or at least conceal themselves and continue firing. Heck perhaps that was one role originally - mounted bikes that moved them forward to deploy snipers who would then fire.