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 Oguhmek wrote:
So bi-fortnightly would then either be every week or every month?

Wow, English.

You've got monthly which is once a month, fortnightly or bi-monthly which is twice a month or bi-weekly which is twice a week.

Do we have any idea when the combat patrols might come out? I don't think GW dropped any hints, but with what we know is in the pipeline, any good guesses based on that?

With all the delays to GW's release schedule I have completely lost track of what to expect...

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I just want to praise this very impressive bit of snark and sarcasm.

 Geifer wrote:
Do we have any idea when the combat patrols might come out? I don't think GW dropped any hints, but with what we know is in the pipeline, any good guesses based on that?

Some of them we quite delayed (1KSons and GKs especially). Here's hoping that it's after the Tau Codex, which will be after the AoS releases, which will be long before that Eldar/Chaos box.

I need time to save up.

 xttz wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Dude, stop trolling, because it's not funny and you're not contributing anything.

I can't help but agree. Even if you disagree, there are less obnoxious ways to make it known.

The drawback to the ignore list is missing incredible moments like this. Entire civilisations could be powered by the levels of irony generated from Wha-Mu accusing someone else of "not contributing anything" to a thread.

I don't see how, despite the opinion of some, contributing healthy skepticism and criticism to a thread can be misconstrued as "not contributying anything". What, is blind optimism and positivity the thing that possibly counts as "meaningful"? Because in that case i'd consider them significantly less impactful, as you're basically regurgitating GW's sales pitch.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 xttz wrote:

 DreadfullyHopeful wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Dude, stop trolling, because it's not funny and you're not contributing anything.

I can't help but agree. Even if you disagree, there are less obnoxious ways to make it known.

The drawback to the ignore list is missing incredible moments like this. Entire civilisations could be powered by the levels of irony generated from Wha-Mu accusing someone else of "not contributing anything" to a thread.

I don't see how, despite the opinion of some, contributing healthy skepticism and criticism to a thread can be misconstrued as "not contributying anything". What, is blind optimism and positivity the thing that possibly counts as "meaningful"? Because in that case i'd consider them significantly less impactful, as you're basically regurgitating GW's sales pitch.

Ok so blind scepticism, criticism and downright hatred of GW is fine, yet the deem the polar opposite stance unhealthy. Never mind the fact it's infinitely better for your mental state to be positive than to be constantly downbeat, both for yourself and others. If you want a more concise point - neither of you contributed much of anything, but at least Gert was actually engaging with the topic rather than just offending someone.

 Oguhmek wrote:
So bi-fortnightly would then either be every week or every month?

Wow, English.

Just after I'd reconstituted my head after the last explosion and...

...BOOM!

Thar she blows again.

 Geifer wrote:
Do we have any idea when the combat patrols might come out? I don't think GW dropped any hints, but with what we know is in the pipeline, any good guesses based on that?

With all the delays to GW's release schedule I have completely lost track of what to expect...

From the WarCom article:

If all that T’au tech fails to tickle you, don’t worry – over the next few months, more new Combat Patrols are coming to Warhammer 40,000, for Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, Genestealer Cults, and Adeptus Custodes.

So I'm guessing the T’au one will be with their Codex and the rest will follow...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Do we have any idea when the combat patrols might come out? I don't think GW dropped any hints, but with what we know is in the pipeline, any good guesses based on that?

Some of them we quite delayed (1KSons and GKs especially). Here's hoping that it's after the Tau Codex, which will be after the AoS releases, which will be long before that Eldar/Chaos box.

I need time to save up.

beast_gts wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Do we have any idea when the combat patrols might come out? I don't think GW dropped any hints, but with what we know is in the pipeline, any good guesses based on that?

With all the delays to GW's release schedule I have completely lost track of what to expect...

From the WarCom article:

If all that T’au tech fails to tickle you, don’t worry – over the next few months, more new Combat Patrols are coming to Warhammer 40,000, for Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, Genestealer Cults, and Adeptus Custodes.

So I'm guessing the T’au one will be with their Codex and the rest will follow...

Thanks, guys. I didn't consider that the combat patrols might get released staggered when I read that article.

Didn't figure Tau were that close either.

 Geifer wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Do we have any idea when the combat patrols might come out? I don't think GW dropped any hints, but with what we know is in the pipeline, any good guesses based on that?

With all the delays to GW's release schedule I have completely lost track of what to expect...

Thanks, guys. I didn't consider that the combat patrols might get released staggered when I read that article.

Didn't figure Tau were that close either.

Something to make a note of is that whenever a faction gets a 2P box alongside of a codex/army book, there tends to be a delay in their "faction starter" release. It happened before Combat Patrols and Vanguards were a thing, and it will likely continue to happen as long as GW sees 2P starters as a viable route. Interesting note is that Eldritch Omens will be given the "Preorder Promise" that we have seen becoming a thing now, meaning anyone who preorders during that weekend is guaranteed a set.

Tau are not getting a 2P box. They'll be getting their new Darkstrider model, possibly the "updated" Pathfinder set with the Kill-Team components, and the new Combat Patrol set alongside of their codex and that's it for them until the next go-around.

Grey Knights and 1k Sons got a 2P box featuring a new plastic Crowe for GK(not in their Combat Patrol box) and the new Sorcerer for 1k Sons(in their box)+Codices. The release of the Combat Patrol boxes should be around February, which is around the 4-5 month window for a solo model release from a 2P box that GW seems to like to do.

Custodes and GSC both just got a 2P box, and their codices were delayed by a month through unrelated issues. So when their Combat Patrols drop later in the year, it should be accompanied by their 2 new characters.

 xttz wrote:
H.B.M.C.'s criteria can be satisfied by removing 5 sisters from the new Custodes box and it would still be close to doubling that PL/points target above. Of course it would be a worse deal for customers

The target would move to "GW could have at least included, oh, another unit of Sisters of Silence, but they hate the customer"

The codex books have a "how to make an army, here's a sample combat patrol perfect to start a crusade with and is easy to build on" that GW offers as a box with a discount for the consumer. It seems so strange to me that one would take to the internet and use precious time and energy to complain that they sell a product that is advertised in the codex.

Excited to field a Vanguard Spearhead Spearhead Detachment. Might get wild and field a Vanguard Spearhead Vanguard Detachment.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/13/war-zone-nachmund-vigilus-alone-unlocks-a-sneaky-phobos-clad-army-of-renown/

I'm currently building a phobos army, so I am absolutely stoked for this.

Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

Hey, GW has to fix Reivers without actually fixing Reivers somehow, right?

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

I can see what you're saying and mostly agree, but the hop from the previous codex to the newest one was weird for Phobos stuff. Notably Incursors losing their ability to deploy a Haywire Mine and instead it basically just being a "use it in melee" or whatever the current nonsense is.

Voss wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

Hey, GW has to fix Reivers without actually fixing Reivers somehow, right?

How many times have they tried and failed? They can do OK in crusade games. PL and some of the level up bonuses help.

Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

I can see what you're saying and mostly agree, but the hop from the previous codex to the newest one was weird for Phobos stuff. Notably Incursors losing their ability to deploy a Haywire Mine and instead it basically just being a "use it in melee" or whatever the current nonsense is.

9th did some odd things to “simplify” things, some a little too much. GW being random with changes is unfortunately nothing new.

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

But you wouldn't be doing it with all Phobos for sure.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

But you wouldn't be doing it with all Phobos for sure.

Neither is this formation, as it also allows supressors, invictors, and impulsors.

Theme lists are almost never going to be top table, but can do fine on the FLGS level. Especially if you are willing to bend a little to include units to round out a TAC list.

While I never personally did a pure phobos list, it is the sort of thing I’d field.

Somebody at GW must really love Phobos armour.

It doesn't sound that competitive tbh, but I don't really have an issue with a themed army like this that loses a lot of options in return.

 Nevelon wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

But you wouldn't be doing it with all Phobos for sure.

Neither is this formation, as it also allows supressors, invictors, and impulsors.

Suppressors are wearing "Omnis" pattern armor, which is mostly Phobos with a few components from Gravis and Tacitus.
Invictor and Impulsor pilots are wearing Phobos gear.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Neither is this formation, as it also allows supressors, invictors, and impulsors.

Suppressors are wearing "Omnis" pattern armor, which is mostly Phobos with a few components from Gravis and Tacitus.
Invictor and Impulsor pilots are wearing Phobos gear.

Did not realize that the Impulsor pilot was phobos. Learn something new every day.

I find it weird they didn't include stormspeeders, as they are wearing phobos gear too.

yeah, there's a good range of Phobos units, but nothing that really hits hard. it's an army with a good amount of mobility, but very little in the way of high strength or AP, or even multi damage weapons.

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

Same goes for previous ror like ork speed thing or tyranid stampede. Point isn't allowing something that wasn't possible before. Point is to throw enough bonus rules to get people buy more models.

tneva82 wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Not sure we needed special rules to field a phobos army. Seems like something you could do a not bad job of with just the core codex.

Same goes for previous ror like ork speed thing or tyranid stampede. Point isn't allowing something that wasn't possible before. Point is to throw enough bonus rules to get people buy more models.

From a practical POV, you are correct. That is why it happens.

IMHO these sorts of special formations should be made to let you play armies that are in the lore, but can’t really be done with the rules available. Idealistic pipe dreams, I know.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Oguhmek wrote:
So bi-fortnightly would then either be every week or every month?

Wow, English.

You've got monthly which is once a month, fortnightly or bi-monthly which is twice a month or bi-weekly which is twice a week.

Not to be TOO picky, but with a fortnightly schedule, I'd expect 26 things every year. Bi-monthly would be 24 things every year. Or six, because... English.

Had to bugfix enough wonky hospital clinic computer system calendars over the years.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

Chapter Approved, plus separate releases for the IG / Ork Kill Teams.

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

Chapter Approved, plus separate releases for the IG / Ork Kill Teams.

Meaning we can finally buy the sprues minus all the KT bloat??

 GrosseSax wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

Chapter Approved, plus separate releases for the IG / Ork Kill Teams.

Meaning we can finally buy the sprues minus all the KT bloat??

Yes, that is what a separate release generally means.

 GrosseSax wrote:

 xttz wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/01/16/sunday-preview-update-your-rules-with-chapter-approved-and-get-started-with-kill-team/

Chapter Approved, plus separate releases for the IG / Ork Kill Teams.

Meaning we can finally buy the sprues minus all the KT bloat??

...what are you defining as KT bloat here, btw?

If you're meaning the sprue to add specialist roles to the Krieg, for example, that's still in the box.