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I'll be honest, I don't understand the point of upping our Contemptor by 40 points, but only leaving the other Dreads alone. Custodes Contemptors weren't really tearing up the Meta, ever. But I guess if GW wants to flat our nerf a unit, it can do it.

tneva82 wrote:

KGYM wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
Plenty of codex reviews up on youtube showing page by page (sprues & brews has a decent clear vid without potato cam quality) - misericordia are not free, generally 5 on a character and 3 on a squad. Also, Wardens don't have them as standard anymore - they have to pay (but still work out cheaper than before so not bad).

As before, Sag Guard need them, everywhere else they are a way of burning those last few points. In Crusade games the relic knife looks ok I guess.

We are talking about MFM leaks, preorder probably jan22, and they have free misericordias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQplsy7xw0 <- same leaks as these rather suspicious looking ones?

Wouldn't count on custodians getting point changes right away with just book coming out. Albeit GW doesn't change points for sake of balance but for marketing but still bit rich.

I didn't click this link cause of where I am at the moment, but for clarity, the CA/MFM leaks are from Canhammer which is claiming to have an exclusive.

Darren on canhammer has a strong track record of being on the ball with leaks. He’s very cautious about them usually.

tneva82 wrote:

KGYM wrote:

 Insularum wrote:
Plenty of codex reviews up on youtube showing page by page (sprues & brews has a decent clear vid without potato cam quality) - misericordia are not free, generally 5 on a character and 3 on a squad. Also, Wardens don't have them as standard anymore - they have to pay (but still work out cheaper than before so not bad).

As before, Sag Guard need them, everywhere else they are a way of burning those last few points. In Crusade games the relic knife looks ok I guess.

We are talking about MFM leaks, preorder probably jan22, and they have free misericordias.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfQplsy7xw0 <- same leaks as these rather suspicious looking ones?

Wouldn't count on custodians getting point changes right away with just book coming out. Albeit GW doesn't change points for sake of balance but for marketing but still bit rich.

Custodes codex was completed around last summer, but the whole publishing schedule was pushed due to covid. This is not "right away", this is half a year later.

Rumors from Spikey Bits say the FAQ points adjustments will pretty much be a day-1 download. Guardians 45 points. Also it will likely settle whether or not the ForgeWorld weapons count as "auric" or not. Frankly, I think they should as it would make spear Venatari less derpy, and the dreadnought silly good.

The "dreadnought" being the Telemon or the Contemptor? because even a Melta Contemptor at 200 points 185 base (Melta is +15?) is waaaay over costed. Also, the Telemon being 285 base with storm cannons being +15 each is an ugly nerf. I only saw the video, please tell me I got the numbers wrong.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The "dreadnought" being the Telemon or the Contemptor? because even a Melta Contemptor at 200 points 185 base (Melta is +15?) is waaaay over costed. Also, the Telemon being 285 base with storm cannons being +15 each is an ugly nerf. I only saw the video, please tell me I got the numbers wrong.

Where are you getting 200pts for Contemptor? The melta, ugly one, is 155pts in the codex.

Balerion wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The "dreadnought" being the Telemon or the Contemptor? because even a Melta Contemptor at 200 points 185 base (Melta is +15?) is waaaay over costed. Also, the Telemon being 285 base with storm cannons being +15 each is an ugly nerf. I only saw the video, please tell me I got the numbers wrong.

Where are you getting 200pts for Contemptor? The melta, ugly one, is 155pts in the codex.

Watch the video. The "leaks" show 185 for the model. My mistake, zero update on cost of melta. possible no charge for either weapon. Just a straight up 30 point nerf. This is the sort of Day 1 DLC a lot of people worry about. Drop a dex followed by immediate point nerfs after sales have gone out. Hopefully this is fake leaking, and we didn't just catch a day 1 nerf to our Telemon.

The leaks in the TacticalTortoise video are almost certainly fake, look at the comments


I trust the Canhammer leaks from Darren:

CHAPTER APPROVED 1 week later
I have it on good authority that MFM drops 1 week after the codex (Jan 22), and that points are
all dropping for us.
• Misericordia free across the board
• Trajan 160
• SC on bike 160
• Blade champ 120
• SC on foot 105 (+10 shield, free mis)
• SC allarus 115
• Valerian 130
• Allarus 60 both weapons
• Guardians 45 (+10 for shields)
• Wardens 50
• Venatari 55. (Auric under debate as defined as any built in shooting and melee weapon,
so possible that spears, venatari spears, dread weapons count)
• Vex 105, allarus vex 115
• Bikers 80
• Ugly dread 155
• Sisters unchanged (12/14/14)
• Adrasite spear guard 55
• Sags 50 (+3 for mis will be FAQd again)
• Aquilon base 70 (+10 for destructor or flamer)
• Galatus 170
• Achillus 160 (+10 for wrists)
• Agamatus 95
• Pallas 95
• Caladius 205
• Telemon 260 (+15 for storms)
• Orion 450
• Ares 400
• Coronus 220

Only the 10 points for shields make no sense.

Wait, Trajann gets cheaper?! That I did not expect

It'd be quite funny if venatari lances get to be auric weapons and pistols don't. Suddenly the lances would become viable, when nobody ever took them in forever

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:

Balerion wrote:

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
The "dreadnought" being the Telemon or the Contemptor? because even a Melta Contemptor at 200 points 185 base (Melta is +15?) is waaaay over costed. Also, the Telemon being 285 base with storm cannons being +15 each is an ugly nerf. I only saw the video, please tell me I got the numbers wrong.

Where are you getting 200pts for Contemptor? The melta, ugly one, is 155pts in the codex.

Watch the video. The "leaks" show 185 for the model. My mistake, zero update on cost of melta. possible no charge for either weapon. Just a straight up 30 point nerf. This is the sort of Day 1 DLC a lot of people worry about. Drop a dex followed by immediate point nerfs after sales have gone out. Hopefully this is fake leaking, and we didn't just catch a day 1 nerf to our Telemon.

Then CA22 leaks from can hammer, that are posted also above, have Contemptor at 155pts, so no change. That's including multi melta.
FW contemptors will also stay the at 160pts.

And according to the leak, if true, misericordias are going to be free for everyone.

points changes look legit actually, other than the shield nerf. Misericordas should have been free to begin with as every custodes has one and its a way to fix the small base attacks per point we have in melee.

Guys, if i play a Shadowkeeper Patrol Detachment and a Dread Host Patrol Detachment do i get their specific traits for each Shield Host Detachment or do i lose them because i play two different Shield Hosts?

Whats with that Kata stuff if i play two different Shield Host Detachments?

If you play 2 shield hosts, you lose access to Kata. But you get both shield host benefits (traits, wtl, etc)

I was considering this, but I think I'll ho mono for first couple games to try katas.

But combining 2 shield hosts (as long as it's allowed), sounds pretty good actually.

Interesting, I didn't know that. I started collecting Custodes because they were such a simple army to play as, getting a benefit and losing word salad Katas sounds somewhat appealing.

Of course then I'd have to paint a new batch of Custodes hah!

I'm most tempted to say ditch the Katah for the soup. Blade Champion loves Shadowkeepers and slots easily into an add-on Patrol.

Ok, worked out the kinks on the SoS list so here it be:




Alright so 7 10 man squads in 7 rhinos. Pretty straightfowards. 11 infantry units, 7 rhinos, 3 character. Secondaries should be relicated to holding objectives and actions. We only have teeth into psychers and deamons but can actually mulch marines with the sisters as well. Because Valarian is in the list we get access to the +1 to hit strat which should help a bit. We also gain tanglefoot for usefulness. The Vman himself can earn a name potentially and gets a shield host trait with katah of your choice. I'd probably go shadowkeepers, but Solar Watch is also useful for him.

You get 30 bolters, 7 storm bolters, 7 HK missles for turn one, and 30 flamers for shooting. The flamers actually can put out some serious damage, and one unit gets the strat for +1str. The vigilators get the +1 to wound strat and are no slouches in combat either. Psychic armies will hate you, as you are mostly immune to them and can double perils them. They will be at -3 to cast from turn 2 and onwards most likely wich will make their buffing hard. Your characters will have to run up the board, but with all the rhinos to hide behind they should be safe.


SoS might be squishy, but you have 90 of the girls, plus 7 rhinos and 3 characters. This list is actually a hoard..........

So two big things for me:

1. Pallas Grav attack now may be our best disruption unit. 95 points for a weaker Storm cannon on a flying 14" moving T6 platform with 8 wounds? Yes please.

If Venetari are 55 points, I'll take three full units every day now.

Also, they made Agamatus MORE expensive, given how crap they already are, that is hilarious.

Finally,

That list would make a fun narrative game against daemons.

Why would shields on Custodes go up in cost?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would shields on Custodes go up in cost?

Easy, because the CA was written before the Codex.

I know it's a bit early and all, but can someone explain to me the whole "two shield host" thing? Because, being brutally honest, I kinda hate the Katas and if I could get rid of them AND get some amazing benefit then they will get yeeted from my playlist so fast...

With the two detachment thing, specifically: would you need to ensure that each detachment was very clearly marked and thus each would only benefit from the one shield host? Because if somehow all your units benefited from both shield-host abilities... well, that would be amazingly janky (and probably FAQ'ed away very quickly).

According to the upcoming Soup leaks, (This is getting silly) you can take subfactions together soon, with no negative detriment. The example provided was two separate hives of tyranids in the same list. Honestly, this makes a lot of sense. I always thought it was silly how they doubled down on killing soup. They redesigned the CP and detachment system, so souping wasn't a way to get cheap CP, but then they said if you soup, you lose purity. which makes no sense.

I'm also very interested in this. I'd be surprised if both detachments could benefit from each shield-host but if they could that'd be very impressive.

If you take seperate shield hosts/hivefleets/forgeworlds then yes they must be clearly differentiated from each other in paint scheme to prevent confusion.

And no, you wouldnt be double stacking any shield hosts bonus's.

As of now you loose the ka'tah's, which is fair.

While I don’t think losing Ka’tahs by themselves is enough not to go 2 detachments, losing CP is a harsher cost for us than many other armies. Due to this, I don’t think it’s worth doing this.

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
According to the upcoming Soup leaks, (This is getting silly) you can take subfactions together soon, with no negative detriment. The example provided was two separate hives of tyranids in the same list. Honestly, this makes a lot of sense. I always thought it was silly how they doubled down on killing soup. They redesigned the CP and detachment system, so souping wasn't a way to get cheap CP, but then they said if you soup, you lose purity. which makes no sense.

Uh pretty sure rumour is opposite. Can't subfaction soup at all. That's why sister players are all rage atm.

Yeah rumor is that armies will be locked to 1 sub faction. Would make sense as GWs is all about adding army restrictions in 9th. If true than I think battalion armies will be the clear cut choice.

Well many armies still want multiple det's for extra HQ/HS/whatever slot.

Custodians probably don't need unless they want multiple bike/termi captain etc.

Thanks for the clarification everyone!

On another note, considering our faction's problem with anti-tank: what do you guys think about the Custodes with Pyrithite spears? The range is almost absurdly short, but it's basically a melta AND the folks wielding it are troops...

The price tag is a bit steep, but I think it might have some viability. Adrasite spears seem somewhat useless to me though.