Battlezone Fronteris. New 40k terrain

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**tauist**

I got a stupid, expensive idea - Could you get four of these bits to act as corner pillars for a Skyshield platform?

**Brickfix**

With a bit of foam and plaster I can make a cooler looking rock formation for a fraction of the price. I'll pass these :/

**Oguhmek**

Yeah, these kits looked a bit interesting, but man, the price... It's just not worth it, sorry to say.

I fear they'll bring back the Sector Imperialis ruins eventually.

At twice the original price.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Made to Order Cities of Death, at $50 a sprue...

**Geifer**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.

They increased prices ahead of Brexit to cover the fallout of the worst case scenario, increased prices after Brexit to cover the same fallout again, saw the shipping and raw material issues due to the pandemic eat into their profits and increased prices for to cover the worst projections for that, and then...

The mystery ingredient! They're wildly successful. They have their customers hooked and increased prices to profit from it while it lasts.

I said when AoS bombed upon release and some people were gloomy about what that meant for GW's future that for us, the customers, that's no big deal because they have every incentive to get out of the mess they got themselves into. Where it becomes problematic for the customer is if GW is successful, because they'll do whatever they can get away with, which is a lot due to customer satisfaction, and with no regard for customer opinion. At least in the short term. And here we are.

**Crimson**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.

Customers keeping buying them?

**Strg Alt**

Crimson wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.

Customers keeping buying them?

Whale hunting is more profitable than to entertain beggars.

**The Black Adder**

Well maybe it's more expensive than I'd like (but what isn't), I've ordered the bundle set for £108 from element.

I like the fronteris terrain and the radio and dish will make good narrative objectives so I'm happy enough.

**Ragweek**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Thank the Emperor for 20% off and $150 in store credit.

But for everyone else, man, that is... that is one hell of a price.

Vertigus was $250. Two-fifty??? What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine. It only gets worse when you consider the type of terrain GW is bringing out these days - completely non-modular affairs, all starting with 9th and the terrain that arrived around the time of the Indomitus box - are inferior to the Sector Mechanicus and Sector Imperalis kits they did release (and, in the case of the Sector Imperialis kits, mostly took off the market without warning - those big statues go for a mint on eBay these days!).

How this can be AUD$120, just $5 shy of this (a fully modular kit with endless customisation) just boggles my mind.

How this, this time AUD$140, can only be fifty shy of this (already very expensive) modular building kit doesn't make any sense.

And then there's this (certainly clunky), but significantly larger kit:

Compare that to the small size of the new "landing pad":

How is this new one AUD$120 but the old one AUD$69???

I consider myself very fortunate to be in a position where I can get these things (but if I didn't have that store credit, this would be a different conversation entirely), but for anyone else especially new players, this kind of pricing eco-system is just not conducive to bringing in new people. They are creating further barriers to entry.

WintersSEO brings this up in his videos from time to time, how 8th saw a massive expansion of people as the game became easier to get into, and how 9th has been pissing that away with over-complicated rules, endlessly layered rules, and more and more pathetic tiny DLC books that cost as much as a regular book that make new people coming into the hobby go "Oh, really, I need all that?".

Seems GW wants to further add to this barrier by pricing their terrain to the fething moon.

It's not evil, it's just stupid.

"not evil, it's just stupid.""

If your right, it will not sell and they will have been stupid. However this set looks much better than the old one you linked. I have my set on pre order.

I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events. Please just change the record.

**H.B.M.C.**

Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.

Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

**Platuan4th**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

**Ragweek**

Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Yeah .... OK then.

As for exchange rates, bloody hell there is so much more than just that. Like import tarrifs and shipping costs for a start.

**Albertorius**

H.B.M.C. wrote:What the feth happened in two years to make GW think that a 48% price increase on big terrain boxes was perfectly fine.

The Black Adder wrote:Well maybe it's more expensive than I'd like (but what isn't), I've ordered the bundle set for £108 from element.

I like the fronteris terrain and the radio and dish will make good narrative objectives so I'm happy enough.

This. This is what happened.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Ragweek wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.

**Ragweek**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.

logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.

However last I heard that the British economy was expected to bounce back more quickly than the g7 rivals. Gw pricing must be effective

**Wha-Mu-077**

Ragweek wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.

logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.

Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.

Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.

And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.

**Ragweek**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.

logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.

Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.

Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.
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And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.

Inflation is far more dynamic than what your suggesting. That boxset just came out. A mostly brand new kit. It never went up by 30% . It is 30% more than a repackaged older kit. Not sure if your heard of economics but you've just murdered it.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Ragweek wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.

logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.

Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.

Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.

And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.

Inflation is far more dynamic than what your suggesting. That boxset just came out. A mostly brand new kit. It never went up by 30% . It is 30% more than a repackaged older kit. Not sure if your heard of economics but you've just murdered it

I am glad you ignored the entirety of my post that you couldn't misrepresent to fit your agenda. It truly showcases you as a person with a lot of arguments to back up their claims.

**Flinty**

Can you take your bickering somewhere else please. It’s just embarrassing to watch.

**Ragweek**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ragweek wrote:
I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events.
Probably because that's a terrible (if convenient) excuse. "Current events" don't explain away what they were doing 2 years ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago.

This. The fethed up pricing structure has nothing to do with "current events" and everything to do with not wanting to have to adjust prices for actual exchange rates among other things.

"Terrible excuse " = highest inflation figures the world has seen on the last 30 years?

Woah I didn't know that Inflation reached 30% yearly, the British economy must be in shambles.

logic would dictate that it must be just the polish education system that's a shambles. I said the inflation was the highest levels on 30 years. Not 30%! I know energy costs are going up over 50% though. But hey, I'm not going to twist statistics to suit my argument.

Well then from this response of yours, one must deduct that the UK school system must not be particularly good at teaching reading comprehension, thus let me explain in a way more suited to a person like you.

Since inflation is supposed to explain why GW prices rise by so much and so quickly, then obviously it must be around 30%, given that is by how much certain kits rose in price recently.

And on the topic of "current events" - please, do tell me what is so unique about Games Workshop, that they seem to be the most affected of all miniature manufacturers? There's a lot of them that haven't had a single price increase in the past 3 years or so, while GW has been rising prices practically yearly.

Inflation is far more dynamic than what your suggesting. That boxset just came out. A mostly brand new kit. It never went up by 30% . It is 30% more than a repackaged older kit. Not sure if your heard of economics but you've just murdered it

I am glad you ignored the entirety of my post that you couldn't misrepresent to fit your agenda. It truly showcases you as a person with a lot of arguments to back up their claims.

I don't have to due to your doing exactly that. Gw have not raised the price of all there miniatures every year. Some items went up by a lower amount. You just cherry picked.

Other manufacturers have had some very big rises too.

**Undead_Love-Machine**

Flinty wrote:
Can you take your bickering somewhere else please. It’s just embarrassing to watch.

Best post I've seen on this site for a long time, can't exalt it hard enough

**judgedoug**

I'm very happy that the Fronteris Future Old West Gothic building is finally being released - I almost bought a second and third Killzone Fronteris for a long time, but couldn't justify buying a whole Killzone box just to get the one building. With this new big box, I'll have three of those, along with all the other cool bits, to finish up my Future Old West Gothic board I've been waiting to do!

Absolutely perfect for Kill Team 2 and Inquisitor. Preordered thru Ministomp already!

**KillerAngel**

I hate myself for having bought it, but I only did so because I got it 28% off MSRP. These prices are definitely getting unsustainable.

**drbored**

judgedoug wrote:
I'm very happy that the Fronteris Future Old West Gothic building is finally being released - I almost bought a second and third Killzone Fronteris for a long time, but couldn't justify buying a whole Killzone box just to get the one building. With this new big box, I'll have three of those, along with all the other cool bits, to finish up my Future Old West Gothic board I've been waiting to do!

Absolutely perfect for Kill Team 2 and Inquisitor. Preordered thru Ministomp already!

Could also be really good for Necromunda Ash Wastes.

**gungo**

KillerAngel wrote:
I hate myself for having bought it, but I only did so because I got it 28% off MSRP. These prices are definitely getting unsustainable.

Pm me where you got it 28% off in US… wow

**Da Butcha**

I like this terrain; I really, really do. I like the fact that it's not ruined, that it looks like something you might actually have as an objective, that it looks like stuff that is actually important to an army, rather than a clock with skulls or a blown up factory wall.

But the price vs. the complexity is what is really killing me. You build this box, that box, and these walls. You build this thing and that thing. THAT'S IT.

Zone Mortalis/Sector Mechanicus isn't cheap, but it has SO MUCH modularity. So much creativity that you can unleash. You can build it a million different ways, or you can build it modular and construct it a different way each game.

But a new player may not want all that complexity. Opening a box full of plastic and seeing eighty billion bits to clip off and half of them with variant placements. A box of terrain with one clear, simple build is great for them.

This stuff is ideal, IDEAL starter terrain--except for that price. It's great terrain for tournament organizers--except for that price. It's great terrain for game stores--except for that price. How did GW do such a good job with the design brief, and drop the ball so utterly on pricing? If this were reasonably priced, you couldn't keep it on shelves.

**H.B.M.C.**

Exactly. It's starter terrain priced like premium modular terrain.

And "inflation is really high right now" isn't an excuse.

**tneva82**

Ragweek wrote:

"not evil, it's just stupid.""

If your right, it will not sell and they will have been stupid. However this set looks much better than the old one you linked. I have my set on pre order.

I know I shouldn't bite but this is getting so painful how poeple are shocked about gw getting more expensive, after the currentwold events. Please just change the record.

Of　course gw prices go up way more than inflation or what others raise to compensate for current events. It's all about gw greed because they know they have enough whales buy anything with　gw logo at any price.

**Kid_Kyoto**

I believe it was Samuel Johnson who said that when you are tried of complaining about GW price hikes then sir you are tried of life.

That being said, I think we can table discussions of the Fronteris price, or its value vs a 3D printer. I believe the issue has been thoroughly debated.

**lord_blackfang**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
And "inflation is really high right now" isn't an excuse.

I think you mean to say it is an excuse, as opposed to being a legitimate reason