Tyranid Codex rumours (first three full datasheets pg23)

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**xttz**

silverstu wrote:

Theres another rumour block which says gargs aren't troops but can move there with a flyrant as warlord. Also Shrikes are coming as a kit with lots of weapon options like warriors- so flying circus is back if these rumours hold up..

That set of rumours came from 4chan and is about as reliable as you'd expect. It also directly contradicts info from sources with proven track records on other codexes like Tau/Eldar.

**silverstu**

xttz wrote:
silverstu wrote:

Theres another rumour block which says gargs aren't troops but can move there with a flyrant as warlord. Also Shrikes are coming as a kit with lots of weapon options like warriors- so flying circus is back if these rumours hold up..

That set of rumours came from 4chan and is about as reliable as you'd expect. It also directly contradicts info from sources with proven track records on other codexes like Tau/Eldar.

Oh yeah, didn't see that initially. Shame as I'dlove a shrike kit. That Reddit poster has confirmed the first leak is more or less true [the one from the discord chat]. The model is the parasite of Mortrex and the fleshborers are str4 but have a Strat to give them +1str. Hasn't said anything else yet. I'm guessing Eldar release will be previewed soon and then there will be more aid leaks..

**xttz**

There's been a couple of corrections to the original list, plus a few extra details:

xttz wrote:
From Tyranids Discord - allegedly confirmed (not written) by a verified playtester

New rumour-leaks.
Synaptic Links are changing to once per game effects that work on every unit within 6" of a Synapse Unit.
~~- Zoanthropes give 4++ to Synapse and 5++ to non-Synapse.~~
- Zoanthropes give 4++ to MONSTER and 5++ to non-MONSTER
Tervigon gives +2" move for its Synaptic Link

- All other units have changed Links.

A lot of buffs trigger off the Synapse keyword (Warriors are beasts, apparently)

Unit Changes:
Swarmlord - Loses Hive Commander and 3++. Gains Chapter Master Re-rolls and gives a unit Obsec.
Hive Tyrant - Captain Re-rolls aura.
Tervigon - +1 to hit for Termagants in range (don't know what). If there is a 15+ model Termagant unit within 1" of her she is untargetable.

Termagants - Devourers are **** now.
Fleshborers go to 18" Assault 1 S5 AP1 D1
Another source claims: Fleshborers go to 18" Assault 1 S4 AP1 D1, can be +1S with a strat

Tyranid Warriors - S5/T5 base. Access to -1D strat in all phases. Can get to A4 S8 AP2 D2.

Wargear Changes:
Boneswords - S+2 AP2 D2
Adrenal Glands - +1S/+1Mv

Hive Fleet Changes:
Leviathan - 1-2 TransNid on non-synapse creatures. 1-3 TransNid on synapse creatures.
Kronos - extra AP at half range

Gorgon gets some variety of Poison weapons.
Named Hive Fleets get 1-2 traits +1 customisable trait from a list.
Gargoyles to Troops
Genestealers to Elites
Rippers to Fast Attack

Trygon Prime to HQ
Mawloc to Fast Attack
Trygon to Fast Attack
Hive Guard to Heavy Support

Leviathan far and away the best pick, apparently.

**DarkStarSabre**

So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

As is GW didn't already pull a real dick move a couple of weeks back just casually mentioning we were next and saying nothing more!

**xttz**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

Most likely starting point in the process is a Monday article or two showing off the new Nid character / new gaunts if they exist. Then they'll start slowly ramping up rules details over a few weeks.

I still have my fingers crossed for early April release now we're apparently starting to see people leaking rules. Recent codexes have been sent out to the usual folks 4-6 weeks before a release.

**ImAGeek**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

As is GW didn't already pull a real dick move a couple of weeks back just casually mentioning we were next and saying nothing more!

Is that really your definition of a dick move?

**BorderCountess**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

As is GW didn't already pull a real dick move a couple of weeks back just casually mentioning we were next and saying nothing more!

What, were you expecting them to pull the rug out from underneath the Eldar?

**Kanluwen**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

As is GW didn't already pull a real dick move a couple of weeks back just casually mentioning we were next and saying nothing more!

You might be in for a bit longer of a wait than you think, because the wording was not "Tyranids are next" but "Tyranids are the next Xenos army".

**NAVARRO**

Kanluwen wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

As is GW didn't already pull a real dick move a couple of weeks back just casually mentioning we were next and saying nothing more!

You might be in for a bit longer of a wait than you think, because the wording was not "Tyranids are next" but "Tyranids are the next Xenos army".

Oh Snap!

**Dudeface**

Kanluwen wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
So, with Aeldari going up for pre-order next week, think we'll FINALLY start getting official teases and previews?

As is GW didn't already pull a real dick move a couple of weeks back just casually mentioning we were next and saying nothing more!

You might be in for a bit longer of a wait than you think, because the wording was not "Tyranids are next" but "Tyranids are the next Xenos army".

"This isn’t just an exciting time for Aeldari, but for all Warhammer 40,000 xenos players – after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming. We don’t want to say too much right now, but there are lots of them, they’ve come a long way, and they’re VERY hungry. For biomass. Okay, you forced it out of us – it’s the Tyranids."

**Kanluwen**

Like I said...they emphasized the "xenos" bit.

**Dudeface**

Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said...they emphasized the "xenos" bit.

I disagree "after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming." Seems pretty direct to me.

**GaroRobe**

We also have Adepticon about a month away, so I wouldn't expect any huge reveals until then.

Unless the nids only get one model, and then maybe it'll be shown off at a Monday preview.

We're also due for a supposedly decent sized Chaos release, and we've already had a chaos v eldar boxset, and still have a chaos v eldar kill team to debut.

**H.B.M.C.**

xttz wrote:
Hive Guard to Heavy Support

I fear a dramatic over-balancing is coming for Hive Guard.

**Nevelon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
xttz wrote:
Hive Guard to Heavy Support
I fear a dramatic over-balancing is coming for Hive Guard.

GW balance things with massive pendulum swings of the nerf bat? Why would you think they would do something like that? Besides their established track record of doing exactly that.

Hope they stay playable.

**xttz**

Further info:

Prime link is Exploding 6s on shooting if the target is within 24", Warrior's link is exploding 6s on combat
Maleceptor: can make ranged attacks while doing an action without the action failing. Can do actions even if they advanced or fell back, can make psychic action and manifest powers
GS get a deployment infiltrate now.
Lictor gets the sabator targeting rule (-1 to hit, cannot be targeted while benefitting from cover and more than 12" away, 5++)

the other really cool thing about the Tervigon... that you get a free 10 man unit to summon( doesn't require summoning points). However it's spawning changes to 2D6 if not spawning that free unit.

Dudeface wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Like I said...they emphasized the "xenos" bit.

I disagree "after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming." Seems pretty direct to me.

A bunch of Nid kits including the combat patrol are now no longer available, the great reboxing has begun.

That typically happens ~4 weeks out from release, yeah?

**H.B.M.C.**

Nevelon wrote:
GW balance things with massive pendulum swings of the nerf bat? Why would you think they would do something like that? Besides their established track record of doing exactly that.

Their price will go up. They change from Elites to HS. And I can still see their No LOS shooting being changed to a strat.

**catbarf**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
GW balance things with massive pendulum swings of the nerf bat? Why would you think they would do something like that? Besides their established track record of doing exactly that.
Their price will go up. They change from Elites to HS. And I can still see their No LOS shooting being changed to a strat.

I fully expect Single-Minded Annihilation to disappear, too, and that's a major crutch for Hive Guard.

**Tyran**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Nevelon wrote:
GW balance things with massive pendulum swings of the nerf bat? Why would you think they would do something like that? Besides their established track record of doing exactly that.
Their price will go up. They change from Elites to HS. And I can still see their No LOS shooting being changed to a strat.

Although with the leaks/rumors of T5 warriors and increased wounds and save on monsters, Hive Guard (and Tyrant Guard) may get a badly needed durability upgrade like T6 W4 and/or better armor.

They definitely are going to be more expensive though.

**xttz**

If I had to bet I'd say Hive Guard Impalers will keep non-LOS shooting but lose Single-Minded Annihilation, either via the strat being deleted or by something like a CORE restriction on it.

One of the leaks says both weapon options will be good and I don't think this unit was really dominating tables when the codex would have gone to print, so...

**Tyran**

Single Minded Annihilation is getting deleted. GW has been systematically deleting any and all sources of shoot twice. The same goes for fight twice and move twice.

As for non-LOS, I'm betting on losing it, it is a very unfun mechanic to play against.

But I'm also betting on some considerable stats improvements so it isn't left behind by the venom cannon.

**H.B.M.C.**

It's an oppressive mechanic for those armies that took multiple detachments and multiple units of Hive Guard. And because of that, those of us who only own one unit have to suffer because the FOC rules allow for this.

And yes, I think "Shoots/Fights Twice" getting axed is a given these days. I mean, hasn't the Exocrine just been given more shots to kind of simulate shooting twice now?

**DarkStarSabre**

xttz wrote:

A bunch of Nid kits including the combat patrol are now no longer available, the great reboxing has begun.

That typically happens ~4 weeks out from release, yeah?

The great reboxing was happening 3-4 weeks ago. I ordered a Harpy and some Warriors then. I'm -still- waiting on them as they've been out of stock/temporarily unavailable on GW's site for a while. Iirc the Harpy and Exocrine finally got posted late this week and the rest should be coming next week.

**Tyran**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Exocrine just been given more shots to kind of simulate shooting twice now?

It will do considerably less shots (an average of 8 vs 12 of the old) but with considerably better stats.

**xttz**

DarkStarSabre wrote:
xttz wrote:

A bunch of Nid kits including the combat patrol are now no longer available, the great reboxing has begun.

That typically happens ~4 weeks out from release, yeah?

The great reboxing was happening 3-4 weeks ago. I ordered a Harpy and some Warriors then. I'm -still- waiting on them as they've been out of stock/temporarily unavailable on GW's site for a while. Iirc the Harpy and Exocrine finally got posted late this week and the rest should be coming next week.

Promise me you'll post new datasheets if they're in the box. Just the warriors one should confirm these rumours.

**DarkStarSabre**

xttz wrote:
DarkStarSabre wrote:
xttz wrote:

A bunch of Nid kits including the combat patrol are now no longer available, the great reboxing has begun.

That typically happens ~4 weeks out from release, yeah?

The great reboxing was happening 3-4 weeks ago. I ordered a Harpy and some Warriors then. I'm -still- waiting on them as they've been out of stock/temporarily unavailable on GW's site for a while. Iirc the Harpy and Exocrine finally got posted late this week and the rest should be coming next week.

Promise me you'll post new datasheets if they're in the box. Just the warriors one should confirm these rumours.

I've been eagerly waiting them with pure frustration.

Harpy and Exocrine I hope to get tomorrow. Warriors are apparently dispatched but the store is waiting for them still - hopefully will arrive so can be posted out with another order that went in last week for odds and ends I needed (Slann, Kroxigor, Soul Grinder for friend, Venomthropes and Toxicrene/Maleceptor.)

So if they have been reboxed and the Warriors do show I'll, with luck be able to post up the box sheets for the Harpy/Crone, Warriors, Venomthropes/Zoanthropes and Toxicrene/Maleceptor.

**BorderCountess**

Tyran wrote:
Single Minded Annihilation is getting deleted. GW has been systematically deleting any and all sources of shoot twice. The same goes for fight twice and move twice.

Drazhar and the Thousand Sons say 'hi'.

**NinthMusketeer**

Nevelon wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
xttz wrote:
Hive Guard to Heavy Support
I fear a dramatic over-balancing is coming for Hive Guard.

GW balance things with massive pendulum swings of the nerf bat? Why would you think they would do something like that? Besides their established track record of doing exactly that.

Hope they stay playable.

There is hope; after pendulum swing the next balancing GW is more infamous for is doing nothing/next to nothing about something overpowered.

Besides, the thing GW is best at with balance (that is a relative metric people, don't jump me) is buffing weak units. Tyranids have a lot of those. Like, a lot.

**H.B.M.C.**

But then their goldfish memory kicks in:

GW Designer #1: This unit isn't worth its cost.
GW Designer #2: Then let's make it more powerful.
GW Designer #1: Great idea!

*5 minutes later*

GW Designer #1: OMG! Look how powerful we made this unit?
GW Designer #2: Holy crap! What do we do?
GW Designer #1: We'll put its points cost up!

**NinthMusketeer**

Well you're not wrong