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 Skywave wrote:
So that could mean that Carnifex have 5 base attacks,

Carnifexes are 4 attacks base with +1A on the charge.

 Tyran wrote:
Based on the "Synaptic Links are not paid upgrades" rumor, I'm theorizing they are going to be our purity army rule (you know, our doctrine).

Further info overnight has confirmed that this is the case, and also that Synaptic Links still chain via all synapse units similar to now. That means even though they're one use, they can potentially affect your whole army for that turn.

Synaptic links are interesting, specially as the source does not seem to have a full grasp on the details.

Other leaks of the discord are that termagant devourers are assault 2 S3 but warrior devourers are assault 5 S4, and scything Talons give 2 extra attacks for each pair (so a Carnifex with 2 pairs gets 4 extra attacks).

With Synaptic Links moving to the Anti-soup rule, I am curious what our Legion Upgrade abilities are going to be now.

Legion Upgrade? From where you got that term?

I'm assuming Adaptive Physiologies will be our paid upgrades.

 Tyran wrote:
Legion Upgrade? From where you got that term?

I'm assuming Adaptive Physiologies will be our paid upgrades.

Whatever you want to call the paid upgrades. I've just been calling them Legion upgrades recently since that's just one of the armies I play.

And yeah, adaptive could make a lot of sense there. Fills a nice hole without getting rid of them. I hope we keep the same list and can use the same one more than once.

 Tyran wrote:
Synaptic links are interesting, specially as the source does not seem to have a full grasp on the details.

Other leaks of the discord are that termagant devourers are assault 2 S3 but warrior devourers are assault 5 S4, and scything Talons give 2 extra attacks for each pair (so a Carnifex with 2 pairs gets 4 extra attacks).

So, those models that have three pairs of talons get +6?! My son will giggle like a madman if that's the case.

Hormagaunts leaks from discord:
Move 10" WS 4+, S3, 3 attacks, Sv 5+, There is a way to give all hormagaunt units a pre-game move.
Scything Talons: S:User, AP -1 D1

2 Hormagaunt specifc stratagems:
Hormagaunts auto-advance 6" and can still charge for 1CP
Hormagaunt unit gets +1 attack per model. 2CP or 1CP if 19 or fewer models.

Some free info on how hive fleets work
You get 2 traits - one static, one flexible - and then there's 3 tables of 5 traits each. Each Hive fleet has access to two of these tables, and can choose to swap their flexible trait to any of the traits from the available tables. Importantly, whether or not you choose to do this and which you swap to happens at the point after you've seen your opponent's list

 xttz wrote:

Some free info on how hive fleets work
You get 2 traits - one static, one flexible - and then there's 3 tables of 5 traits each. Each Hive fleet has access to two of these tables, and can choose to swap their flexible trait to any of the traits from the available tables. Importantly, whether or not you choose to do this and which you swap to happens at the point after you've seen your opponent's list

Interesting. They adknowledge Tyranids adaptability.

Ooo I like that, nice marriage of theme and mechanic.

So hormagaunts are still a huge disappointment. Is it so much to ask that they be better at stabbing people than a damned guardsman?

Last time I checked, guardsmen weren't stabbing people with 3 attacks with ap -1

 Tyran wrote:
Last time I checked, guardsmen weren't stabbing people with 3 attacks with ap -1

Yeah... S3 might be a little lackluster, but 3 attacks at AP-1 is pretty damn good. Quantity has a quality all its own and all that.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
Last time I checked, guardsmen weren't stabbing people with 3 attacks with ap -1

Yeah... S3 might be a little lackluster, but 3 attacks at AP-1 is pretty damn good. Quantity has a quality all its own and all that.

If you want S4, give them adrenal glands.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
So hormagaunts are still a huge disappointment. Is it so much to ask that they be better at stabbing people than a damned guardsman?

Last I checked, Guardsmen didn't get up to four AP-1 melee attacks each with auto-wound on 4+ or multiple exploding 6 abilities. One example given was that with the right hive fleet and max buffs, hormagaunts are likely to land 26 wounds on an Avatar in a single phase.

But I will keep an eye out for the new Imperial Guard codex just in case.

Hormagaunts are going to depend on the cost. If they keep them at 6pts pet model, then they are completely fine. Even better if they get toxin Sacs for 1pt instead of 2.

But if they go up to 8pts and keep 2pt upgrades, then termagants look way better.

Even at 8pts and 2pt upgrades, I think they could be a fun build. not competitive, but definitely fun.

I'm looking forward to getting back to my Ork v Tyranid horde battles with my friend.

My gut feeling is 7ppm.

 Tyran wrote:
If you want S4, give them adrenal glands.

Assuming that's still an option and hasn't been turned into a strat...

I like the assumptions that the various upgrades (toxin, adrenal, etc) will do the same thing. Like the weapons, those very often change from edition to edition.

Tyranids really don't have baseline standards for their gear and weapons.

Voss wrote:
I like the assumptions that the various upgrades (toxin, adrenal, etc) will do the same thing. Like the weapons, those very often change from edition to edition.

Tyranids really don't have baseline standards for their gear and weapons.

Adrenal Glands changed… but we saw what they changed to. It was leaked.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Tyran wrote:
If you want S4, give them adrenal glands.

Assuming that's still an option and hasn't been turned into a strat...

My own adrenal glands are now a strat.

Having a codex? Also a strat.

It's strats all the way down.

Discord leaks are also a strat, and the discord leak of today is that Hive Fleet psychic powers are a thing and are free, all Hive Fleet psykers know their relevant Hive Fleet psychic power.

And the Leviathan psychic power is that a unit in your army gets the benefit of a Synaptic Link from your army, in addition to any other Synaptic Link and regardless if that Synaptic links has already been triggered.

The next combat patrol is being shown next week, so logically the army after Eldar. So Nids news I guess?

Dudeface wrote:
The next combat patrol is being shown next week, so logically the army after Eldar. So Nids news I guess?

Still isn't confirmed that they're actually the next army. Just that they're the next Xenos army.

It might be Chaos.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
The next combat patrol is being shown next week, so logically the army after Eldar. So Nids news I guess?

Still isn't confirmed that they're actually the next army. Just that they're the next Xenos army.

It might be Chaos.

I've seen reboxed nids and no reboxed chaos, I think it's very abundantly clear it's nids at this point.

To reiterate:

This isn’t just an exciting time for Aeldari, but for all Warhammer 40,000 xenos players – after the craftworlds touch down, there’s something gribbly and chitinous coming. We don’t want to say too much right now, but there are lots of them, they’ve come a long way, and they’re VERY hungry. For biomass. Okay, you forced it out of us – it’s the Tyranids.

Is the full quote, it mentions nids "after craftworlds touch down" which could admittedly be any time between now and the year 40,000 but in all probability it means immediately following.

Haha, you two literally had this exact same conversation on page 9...

Of course, Kanluwen was as misleading on that page -- where they incorrectly stated "[GW's] wording was 'Tyranids are the next Xenos army' " -- as they are on this page. For readers who can parse context, and aren't interested in playing the "well, technically" game, the statement pretty clearly identifies Tyranids as the next codex.

*shrug*

We'll see. I hope it's Tyranids, just making sure people don't get their expectations super high. There has been nothing 100% definitive, and as we're seeing with GK+Thousand Sons...they don't necessarily need a codex to release a Combat Patrol.

...those two Combat Patrols are delayed from the release of their Codex, not turning up in advance of it.

I'm reasonably sure we haven't had a Combat Patrol be released in advance of a Codex yet.

Still haven't even got Crowe or the Infernal Master as separate releases.

 Kanluwen wrote:
*shrug*

We'll see. I hope it's Tyranids, just making sure people don't get their expectations super high. There has been nothing 100% definitive, and as we're seeing with GK+Thousand Sons...they don't necessarily need a codex to release a Combat Patrol.

....

You're really pushing this 'well, technically' envelope, aren't you?

We know GK and Thousand Sons suffered a lot of delays. Logically, so too did their Combat Patrols.

Think about -why- we might be seeing a tease of a future book's Combat Patrol? If it has an exclusive character to that set....

Thinking next Monday is probably the first proper peek at Tyranids. And our rumoured Parasite is going to be Combat Patrol locked.