Tyranid Codex rumours (first three full datasheets pg23)

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**tneva82**

Rather seeing CP's are all same price adding more costly items results in something being dropped away

**NAVARRO**

Overread wrote:
But Tyranids are also famous for swarms of termagaunts not just swarms of big things. And GW's design philosophy with these new larger sets has been more toward having people buy one maybe two not multiple like the old getting started sets.

The Tyranid one is actually better in that regard as you can get a lot of scope out of multiple sets. Heck those 96 gaunts could be armed with 3 different weapons (spinefists; fleshborers; devourers)

The only torment is the split heads

Nids can be any flavour and the classic flavour is hordes of the gaunt genus... Termas is only one of them and the most visually limited one at it. Hormas kits do suffer from the breaking hooves from base tabs though XD

The torment is not the head design the torment is when you assemble the 100 termas and they all look like the same exact model replicated over and over again ad vomitum...
Besides these models (except plastic tyrant) were released what, in 2001 IIRC? For the most fast evolving race they do take their sweet damn time to change designs...

**Dudeface**

NAVARRO wrote:
Overread wrote:
But Tyranids are also famous for swarms of termagaunts not just swarms of big things. And GW's design philosophy with these new larger sets has been more toward having people buy one maybe two not multiple like the old getting started sets.

The Tyranid one is actually better in that regard as you can get a lot of scope out of multiple sets. Heck those 96 gaunts could be armed with 3 different weapons (spinefists; fleshborers; devourers)

The only torment is the split heads

Nids can be any flavour and the classic flavour is hordes of the gaunt genus... Termas is only one of them and the most visually limited one at it. Hormas kits do suffer from the breaking hooves from base tabs though XD

The torment is not the head design the torment is when you assemble the 100 termas and they all look like the same exact model replicated over and over again ad vomitum...
Besides these models (except plastic tyrant) were released what, in 2001 IIRC? For the most fast evolving race they do take their sweet damn time to change designs...

Warriors were 5th/6th? They're not that old.

**Lord Damocles**

Dysartes wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
alextroy wrote:
I don't even think 3 boxes would be bad if Termagants and Warriors are descent. It would give you a carpet of 96 Termagants, 9 Ripper Swarms, 9 Warrior, a Hive Tyrant, Hive Tyrant with Wings, and the Swarmlord. And that gives options for weapon loadouts for a reasonable price without needing to resort to loads of miniature magnets.
Putting aside the sheer hell of putting together 96 two-piece heads, would that be interesting?

Congratulations! You spent an inordinate amount of money on three Combat Patrols, and to show for it you have three of the same big model, some Warriors, a carpet of smaller bugs, and literally none of the big fun stuff that Tyranids are famous for.

They could've swapped one third of the Termagants for a 'Fex, or an Exocrine, or a trio of Zoeys/Venomthropes. Or put something new in there, not that we're getting anything new other than another special character as Tyranids are a one-and-done book and not a proper release.

No, they couldn't - it's three boxes of Termagants, or no boxes of Termagants, as you can guarantee that the back of the box highlights the Ripper Swarm as a unit of 3 bases (the minimum size available in the current 'dex).

So who exactly is holding a gun to their head forcing them to highlight the Rippers on the back of the box..?

They could have just included the Rippers like the Death Guard box includes three partial extra Plague Marines.

**xttz**

Dudeface wrote:
Warriors were 5th/6th? They're not that old.

Yeah they came with the 6E codex in early 2014

Lord Damocles wrote:
So who exactly is holding a gun to their head forcing them to highlight the Rippers on the back of the box..?

They could have just included the Rippers like the Death Guard box includes three partial extra Plague Marines.

What a weirdly dramatic reply.

Even weirder that it's being used to argue in favour of making a starter box less usable and more like the flawed DG offering.

**NAVARRO**

Rippers are long due an individual box set like the Nurglings have.

Edit: Forgeworld ones were great.

Would be even nicer if they added wing rippers too... now, that would get me back on track.

Edit2: BRING BACK TYRANID SQUIGS!!!!

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xttz wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Warriors were 5th/6th? They're not that old.

Yeah they came with the 6E codex in early 2014

I have trashed all my old dexes so cant check. But I remember plastics on 3rd ed nid dex in 2001 to be... gaunt, warriors and still 2nd edition Genestealers plastics???

**xttz**

NAVARRO wrote:

I have trashed all my old dexes so cant check. But I remember plastics on 3rd ed nid dex in 2001 to be... gaunt, warriors and still 2nd edition Genestealers plastics???

Yeah there was a Warrior plastic kit around 3rd edition. In 2014 they replaced it with a new one that is very similar, but added options for the Tyranid Prime and all wargear such as boneswords / lash whips. Previously some of these were finecast add-ons.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/123mjQsYY-8UvsYJLV-ZkazjbsWrLCvVbuhvKKVPchlw/htmlview#

**NAVARRO**

xttz wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:

I have trashed all my old dexes so cant check. But I remember plastics on 3rd ed nid dex in 2001 to be... gaunt, warriors and still 2nd edition Genestealers plastics???

Yeah there was a Warrior plastic kit around 3rd edition. In 2014 they replaced it with a new one that is very similar, but added options for the Tyranid Prime and all wargear such as boneswords / lash whips. Previously some of these were finecast add-ons.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/123mjQsYY-8UvsYJLV-ZkazjbsWrLCvVbuhvKKVPchlw/htmlview#

But the warriors sprue is the same except for the add on of morphs sprue correct?

**Dudeface**

NAVARRO wrote:
xttz wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:

I have trashed all my old dexes so cant check. But I remember plastics on 3rd ed nid dex in 2001 to be... gaunt, warriors and still 2nd edition Genestealers plastics???

Yeah there was a Warrior plastic kit around 3rd edition. In 2014 they replaced it with a new one that is very similar, but added options for the Tyranid Prime and all wargear such as boneswords / lash whips. Previously some of these were finecast add-ons.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/123mjQsYY-8UvsYJLV-ZkazjbsWrLCvVbuhvKKVPchlw/htmlview#

But the warriors sprue is the same except for the add on of morphs sprue correct?

It was completely resculpted.

**H.B.M.C.**

NAVARRO wrote:
Rippers are long due an individual box set like the Nurglings have.

Be careful what you wish for. You really want Rippers in a box that will cost 15-25% more than this one already does?

**NAVARRO**

Dudeface wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
xttz wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:

I have trashed all my old dexes so cant check. But I remember plastics on 3rd ed nid dex in 2001 to be... gaunt, warriors and still 2nd edition Genestealers plastics???

Yeah there was a Warrior plastic kit around 3rd edition. In 2014 they replaced it with a new one that is very similar, but added options for the Tyranid Prime and all wargear such as boneswords / lash whips. Previously some of these were finecast add-ons.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/123mjQsYY-8UvsYJLV-ZkazjbsWrLCvVbuhvKKVPchlw/htmlview#

But the warriors sprue is the same except for the add on of morphs sprue correct?

It was completely resculpted.

Just checked the sprues and your right! thanks. I thought it was the same because they are so identical to 2001 warriors. I imagined that it was just an extra biomorph sprue added in but same bodies heads legs...
Freaking hell what a huge missed chance for GW there!

**H.B.M.C.**

Dudeface wrote:
It was completely resculpted.

Resculpted or recut?

**Dudeface**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
It was completely resculpted.
Resculpted or recut?

Resculpted, they go together differently and there was no option to include the prime torso before.

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NAVARRO wrote:

Just checked the sprues and your right! thanks. I thought it was the same because they are so identical to 2001 warriors. I imagined that it was just an extra biomorph sprue added in but same bodies heads legs...
Freaking hell what a huge missed chance for GW there!

Disagree, I don't dislike how the nids look, just that they're dated molds and need some better posing.

**H.B.M.C.**

Dudeface wrote:
Resculpted, they go together differently and there was no option to include the prime torso before.

They're not that much different though. And yeah, there's a Prime Torso, but adding a bit isn't the same as completely re-sculpting an entire kit.

**NAVARRO**

Dudeface wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
It was completely resculpted.
Resculpted or recut?

Resculpted, they go together differently and there was no option to include the prime torso before.

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NAVARRO wrote:

Just checked the sprues and your right! thanks. I thought it was the same because they are so identical to 2001 warriors. I imagined that it was just an extra biomorph sprue added in but same bodies heads legs...
Freaking hell what a huge missed chance for GW there!

Disagree, I don't dislike how the nids look, just that they're dated molds and need some better posing.

Its not about liking it or not

its about redoing a 2001 kit in 2014 that looks like a 2001 kit, to the point some us did not even noticed there was actually a resculpt worth buying.

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H.B.M.C. wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Rippers are long due an individual box set like the Nurglings have.
Be careful what you wish for. You really want Rippers in a box that will cost 15-25% more than this one already does?

Yes! XD

Seriously a box with loads of rippers would be a dream for other games, they would be awesome for even 15mm sci-fi gaming.
I was not joking about the nid squigs too that would sell like hot cakes but GW seems more interested in giant sized nids and copy pasta designs.

**Dudeface**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Dudeface wrote:
Resculpted, they go together differently and there was no option to include the prime torso before.
They're not that much different though. And yeah, there's a Prime Torso, but adding a bit isn't the same as completely re-sculpting an entire kit.

All I can say is buy some and have a look, they're much better.

**H.B.M.C.**

I have some heaps. Of both. Outside of additional options, they're indistinguishable.

**Nomeny**

It's kind of nice not to be left with obsolete models.

**Dudeface**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have some heaps. Of both. Outside of additional options, they're indistinguishable.

Yes, but they're also not a recut. They blend in very well, they look similar but they're not the same exact bodies/legs/heads as the 2001 kit.

**Eldarsif**

Not sure if this has been posted here, but Mieotic Spore Sacks and Twin-Linked Devourers are Last Chance to Buy now.

**Voss**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
NAVARRO wrote:
Rippers are long due an individual box set like the Nurglings have.
Be careful what you wish for. You really want Rippers in a box that will cost 15-25% more than this one already does?

Maybe not that. But the treatment that necron warriors and new scarab swarms got would've been real nice.
4-5 individual rippers doesn't really cut it, 20-odd years later.

**Wha-Mu-077**

From this article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/03/08/the-tyranids-are-coming-and-theyve-developed-a-taste-for-space-marines/

This is totally the new unit, isn't it? It's got the wings from the teaser video.

**Siegfriedfr**

Well spotted. I didn't pay attention ! I thought the article was so busy seeling space marine background stories I barely read it.

Edit: reading the article again, the image is gone can't see it.

**Madjob**

They already pulled that photo from the article, so clearly the reveal was unintentional. But GW has been pretty consistent on fessing up when they drop the ball like this, so if we don't get an official reveal today, we'll see it tomorrow I think.

**Dudeface**

Looks good, slim chance of doubling up as a red terror kit as well?

**xttz**

Mirror of the original, uncropped image:

Spoiler:

...and today's Tyranid codex leak:

Welcome to one of the weirder units in the book, and possibly the winner of "most improved" unit. The mawloc!

To start, he's got 16 attacks at s7 ap-1 d1 (though the strength degrades). Now that's pretty solid, but where things get fun (and strange) is the new Terror from the Deep.

In your movement phase, you place down a marker anywhere on the battlefield. At the end of your next movement phase, the mawloc comes in anywhere within 12" of that marker and outside engagement range of enemy models. If he comes in within 9" of enemy models, he can't charge that turn. When he does thing, roll a die for every unit within 6" of the marker and add 1 if they have 6-10 models, and add 2 if they have 11+ models. On a 3+ they take d3 mortals, on a 7+ they take flat 3 mortals. You can only have one mawloc come in a turn this way

One of the tail options is the biostatic rattle, and that's very different now - at the start of the fight phase, you choose a unit engaged with him and roll 3d6. If you beat their leadership, that unit cannot reroll hits or wounds this phase

**Tyran**

And that is also one rumor engine solved.

**beast_gts**

NAVARRO wrote:
Would be even nicer if they added wing rippers too... now, that would get me back on track.

Aren't they the Sky Slasher Swarm? (Or do you mean them in plastic?)

**Voss**

I think there is a tail spike rumor engine as well.

Ah, this one:
https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.com/p/rumour-engines.html#2021-03-09

But it doesn't look to match (pincher rather than spike)

**Wha-Mu-077**

Voss wrote:
I think there is a tail spike rumor engine as well.

Ah, this one:
https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.com/p/rumour-engines.html#2021-03-09

But it doesn't look to match (pincher rather than spike)

Perhaps it's an alternate bit for the tail end, allowing you to make the Red Terror from the box as an alternative build