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chaos0xomega wrote:
Probably a failure attributable to the lack of digital rulebooks. Because they don't have to update rulebooks in response to FAQ, the FAQ doesn't get incorporated into their documentation. When they go to write a new codex they just copy/paste the old rules wholesale and its probably 50/50 whether they remember to check to see if there are any FAQ corrections that need to be rolled in.

Man, maybe GW has been paying them accurately to what kind of job they're doing all along, and they're just incompetent.

One can also use Encircling the pray on zoanthrops or venoms. I wonder if this will be used?

 Astmeister wrote:
One can also use Encircling the pray on zoanthrops or venoms. I wonder if this will be used?

I was tempted to try it in a Kronos list. Fire the 4++ imperative on turn one and float up into the sky.

Drop back down on turn two to blast something, then have an 18" bubble of Shadow in the Warp / The Deepest Shadow to shut down enemy psykers.

 licensedfool wrote:
I miss hive commander. I will try with getting 1st turn charge like this instead:

Winged hive tyrant 17' move with adrenal glands
Kraken strateger opportunistic advance 8''
Onslaught psychic power in order to charge
Shard lure for 3d6 choosing the highest on the charge.

So 25' move with 3d6 charge picking the highest.

Tons of strats or relics to give him more punching power.
Probably giving him 5+ fnp and -1 to hit camaeolic skin relic for durability once he gets there.

Yep. Adding Tzaangor screens to my lists.

I miss the days when turn one charges were extremely rare results rather than near guaranteed even against the backline of postage stamp boards.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I miss the days when turn one charges were extremely rare results rather than near guaranteed even against the backline of postage stamp boards.

Me too. I think a lot of people do.

Yeah. First turn charges used to be next to impossible. They should be again.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah. First turn charges used to be next to impossible. They should be again.

How many are there exactly? I find myself wondering in the last weeks How we are all playing 40K 9th but so fundamentally different still, and the proof that it is important to first check what is the mindset of the group you will be playing. I am happy that i found likeminded people.

I agree there are quite a few units that can pull off a first turn charge. But I do not see them dominating top tables from what I read here. It is mostly shooting that gets lamented about on this forum.
The combo I read here sound exactly like the stuff why I avoid tournaments like hell, as i can not understand the sentiment that quite a lot of players seem to have.
This does not mean that these are bad people but just that they are looking for something I do not want to even think about.

Yeah, I'm usually more worried about half my army being shot off the board if I lose first turn.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I miss the days when turn one charges were extremely rare results rather than near guaranteed even against the backline of postage stamp boards.

That would be the equivalent of making every shooty unit BS5.

Siegfriedfr wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I miss the days when turn one charges were extremely rare results rather than near guaranteed even against the backline of postage stamp boards.

That would be the equivalent of making every shooty unit BS5.

Shooting could use to toning down as well.

I want a game where half my army is both not shot of the table or stuck in a blender before my second round starts.

Lethality, both shooting and melee, needs to be dialed back.

But that ship looks to be well at sail for this edition, so at least nids can play along.

So, any bets tyra codex gets announced tomorrow for preorder?

Bago wrote:
So, any bets tyra codex gets announced tomorrow for preorder?

The way GW been spamming the previews, sounds like a pretty good bet.

Bad odds. As weird as it is to say (because it seems so trivial to me), I doubt they'll drop a new codex into the middle of Adepticon.

They probably planned a big chunk of their 'Adepticon preview' yammering about it, however. Despite there being essentially nothing to show off, with the Parasite and Combat Patrol already seen.

Voss wrote:
Bad odds. As weird as it is to say (because it seems so trivial to me), I doubt they'll drop a new codex into the middle of Adepticon.

They probably planned a big chunk of their 'Adepticon preview' yammering about it, however. Despite there being essentially nothing to show off, with the Parasite and Combat Patrol already seen.

I can't wait for yet another preview that's two hours of pointless yammering and 15 minutes of actual content at best.

Voss wrote:
Bad odds. As weird as it is to say (because it seems so trivial to me), I doubt they'll drop a new codex into the middle of Adepticon.

They probably planned a big chunk of their 'Adepticon preview' yammering about it, however. Despite there being essentially nothing to show off, with the Parasite and Combat Patrol already seen.

To be fair, if we didn’t already have the whole codex dropped into our laps already they could have made a number of “look at how much better this unit is” announcements/articles. They still might.

But even if they doled those out slowly, I’m not sure how long they could draw them out. And the nid hype train is going full steam. Since the only new stuff looks to be the codex, Parasite, and Combat Patrol, how long can it go on?

If not tomorrow, next week. But I’d bet sooner rather than later.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Voss wrote:
Bad odds. As weird as it is to say (because it seems so trivial to me), I doubt they'll drop a new codex into the middle of Adepticon.

They probably planned a big chunk of their 'Adepticon preview' yammering about it, however. Despite there being essentially nothing to show off, with the Parasite and Combat Patrol already seen.

I can't wait for yet another preview that's two hours of pointless yammering and 15 minutes of actual content at best.

I can. I'll look at the pics a couple hours later.

Nevelon wrote:To be fair, if we didn’t already have the whole codex dropped into our laps already they could have made a number of “look at how much better this unit is” announcements/articles. They still might.

But even if they doled those out slowly, I’m not sure how long they could draw them out. And the nid hype train is going full steam. Since the only new stuff looks to be the codex, Parasite, and Combat Patrol, how long can it go on?

If not tomorrow, next week. But I’d bet sooner rather than later.

Oh, definitely soon. Just the big event complicates things since Metawatch! and whichever tournament group they bought are unofficially officially GW Things now
They can hype switch, though. Yes, they will still do nid articles. But there won't be that much complaining if they spent part of the next week and a half (especially post 'preview show')giving some glimpses of Ash Wastes and whatever Underworlds, AoS and uh... Warcry? (Is that still continuing?) things are also happening. They can always announce a new 'primaris model with swords now' as well.

 Nevelon wrote:

Siegfriedfr wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I miss the days when turn one charges were extremely rare results rather than near guaranteed even against the backline of postage stamp boards.

That would be the equivalent of making every shooty unit BS5.

Shooting could use to toning down as well.

I want a game where half my army is both not shot of the table or stuck in a blender before my second round starts.

Lethality, both shooting and melee, needs to be dialed back.

But that ship looks to be well at sail for this edition, so at least nids can play along.

I'd be down for a flat reduction of everything's WS/BS by 1 for the first round. Call it fog of war.

 Nevelon wrote:

Voss wrote:
Bad odds. As weird as it is to say (because it seems so trivial to me), I doubt they'll drop a new codex into the middle of Adepticon.

They probably planned a big chunk of their 'Adepticon preview' yammering about it, however. Despite there being essentially nothing to show off, with the Parasite and Combat Patrol already seen.

To be fair, if we didn’t already have the whole codex dropped into our laps already they could have made a number of “look at how much better this unit is” announcements/articles. They still might.

But even if they doled those out slowly, I’m not sure how long they could draw them out. And the nid hype train is going full steam. Since the only new stuff looks to be the codex, Parasite, and Combat Patrol, how long can it go on?

If not tomorrow, next week. But I’d bet sooner rather than later.

I mean that's how the Eldar previews went.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

Voss wrote:
Bad odds. As weird as it is to say (because it seems so trivial to me), I doubt they'll drop a new codex into the middle of Adepticon.

They probably planned a big chunk of their 'Adepticon preview' yammering about it, however. Despite there being essentially nothing to show off, with the Parasite and Combat Patrol already seen.

To be fair, if we didn’t already have the whole codex dropped into our laps already they could have made a number of “look at how much better this unit is” announcements/articles. They still might.

But even if they doled those out slowly, I’m not sure how long they could draw them out. And the nid hype train is going full steam. Since the only new stuff looks to be the codex, Parasite, and Combat Patrol, how long can it go on?

If not tomorrow, next week. But I’d bet sooner rather than later.

I mean that's how the Eldar previews went.

I think there is a pretty solid chance that the Nid codex goes up for Preview tomorrow and preorder the 26th.

That's fair. I occasionally forget that the preview is the preorder preview, not the release preview. And the articles are the previews for the preview of the preorder.

And the online 'shows' are special sneak peaks at the previews of the preview of the preorder. Woo. Hype. Yah.

 Oguhmek wrote:
Yeah, I'm usually more worried about half my army being shot off the board if I lose first turn.

How much los ignoring weapons you face? Seeing 100% your army is expected to be out of los.

Well, no nids for preview this week. Gives me another week to get my stuff ready at the very least!

No nids for preorder* this week.

Adepticon preview's happening, and we should be getting a tease for the next warzone and Kill Team set.

Was not expecting the week to be more eldar. Thought we were going to have to wait longer for them. I guess I was wrong on the nids. Not that it save my wallet, as I covet the elves as well. Going to be a rough year.

 Nevelon wrote:
Was not expecting the week to be more eldar. Thought we were going to have to wait longer for them. I guess I was wrong on the nids. Not that it save my wallet, as I covet the elves as well. Going to be a rough year.

With just one new model coming you hopefully should not spend much money

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Was not expecting the week to be more eldar. Thought we were going to have to wait longer for them. I guess I was wrong on the nids. Not that it save my wallet, as I covet the elves as well. Going to be a rough year.

With just one new model coming you hopefully should not spend much money

Codex and parasite are at the top of the list. With the move of stuff around the FOC and the changes to flyrants I’ve got my eye on the combat patrol. Need more troops and a foot tyrant. Plus there is the existing stuff on my initial to buy list I haven’t picked up yet (zoanthopes, another box of hormagaunts, maybe ravegers)

Without the changes, I probably would have been fine with just the new stuff. The new rules moved warriors from a “maybe” to a “need” and the fact that you can’t mix guns in termagaunt squads added at least one box of them. Probably two to cover the fact that genestealers and rippers can no longer fill troop slots. Sure, the 10 gargs I have are troops now, but not exactly a unit I can count on to hold objectives.

It’s not break the bank bad (that would be the Eldar) but there are going to be a lot of bugs kicking around the workbench if I don’t show some restraint.

 Nevelon wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:
Was not expecting the week to be more eldar. Thought we were going to have to wait longer for them. I guess I was wrong on the nids. Not that it save my wallet, as I covet the elves as well. Going to be a rough year.

With just one new model coming you hopefully should not spend much money

Codex and parasite are at the top of the list. With the move of stuff around the FOC and the changes to flyrants I’ve got my eye on the combat patrol. Need more troops and a foot tyrant. Plus there is the existing stuff on my initial to buy list I haven’t picked up yet (zoanthopes, another box of hormagaunts, maybe ravegers)

Without the changes, I probably would have been fine with just the new stuff. The new rules moved warriors from a “maybe” to a “need” and the fact that you can’t mix guns in termagaunt squads added at least one box of them. Probably two to cover the fact that genestealers and rippers can no longer fill troop slots. Sure, the 10 gargs I have are troops now, but not exactly a unit I can count on to hold objectives.

It’s not break the bank bad (that would be the Eldar) but there are going to be a lot of bugs kicking around the workbench if I don’t show some restraint.

Yeah I can see the need to adjust armies to the new rules and get some extra bugs for that effect. I also have many holes on my Nid collection, I never got into the BIG new kits since they are out of scale and utter ugly, I doubt I will ever go that route. A big Hive tyrant and Fexes are good enough.
With the lack of design updates I get the feeling after these 20 years that it will never actually happen which can be a good thing.

Im inclined to let my classic hive fleet drift away in its decades long hibernation and rethink and sculpt myself my own fleet from scratch.

 Kanluwen wrote:
No nids for preorder* this week.

Adepticon preview's happening, and we should be getting a tease for the next warzone and Kill Team set.

??? The current one literally just released. I'm not going to go dig up a timeline on this, but I'm pretty sure there was more of a gap between release and the preview for the next box in the past. I wouldn't expect the next preview to be for another 6 weeks at least.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
No nids for preorder* this week.

Adepticon preview's happening, and we should be getting a tease for the next warzone and Kill Team set.

??? The current one literally just released. I'm not going to go dig up a timeline on this, but I'm pretty sure there was more of a gap between release and the preview for the next box in the past. I wouldn't expect the next preview to be for another 6 weeks at least.

I didn't say release. I said "tease". Adepticon usually sees a tease of whatever we should expect for the summer.

Here's the initial timeline:

Admittedly, that's from the Octarius announcement but it seems to be a three month window for the KT warzone boxes. Some will be "all new" items and some will have old stuff packed with new specialist sprues.
Warzones are 6 month turnovers going forward. Purportedly the Aeldari stuff is around 3-4 months behind where it was supposed to be too.