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 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Nope not bothered by this. I mean GW gave up on 'everything from the dawn of time in stock forever (in Nottingham)' but around 2011, and we've seen terrain kits, IG metals and other models disappearing all the time. I too am very skeptical about these ever coming back, but that's fine.

No reasonable person can expect a toy company to keep everything in production forever, and others pointed out, 3D printers go BRRRRR.

No thats quite common, many models get discontinued... thats not what GW is saying. They said we cant have these many SKUs we are going to put on hold and in rotation several units, here's the first ones.
This is not your common bye bye old mini, this seems something much wider across the 40k board aiming at both plastics and resins.
They can keep things on codex because officially the unit is not extinct, it's still part of the range, it's just that you cannot buy it.

With the avalanche of new products GW puts up with its a question of time ( apparently we are out of time) for when more minis get into rotation mode.
Besides what will be the determining factor to rotate a unit... age of the kit? Size takes too much space? Popularity? And the scary bit here is, will a range that collides with GW new marketing plan be considered too?

I think this is heading more towards a model where they release an Indomitus for 1 month and then split easy build sprues into 2 pricy bundles on another month... to finish off by putting them on rotation mode, to give space for the next boxset coming in. We are not far from that already.

...and so what? Stop buying GW products if their business practice goes against your rules/beliefs/ethics.

Maybe I am just getting too old, but ultimately this is a toy product. If a toy company is going to do something I don't like I'll just go elsewhere. I'll 3D print my own models, play with different rulesets, or shop at 3rd party vendors. The world is our oyster, and GW is selling us very expensive stuff. You can still play with what you have and you can play older editions. GW ain't sending its ninjas to burn anyone's army.

I just honestly don't get this expectations/obligation that GW remains this static thing that never changes. Company is going to company and I just don't understand how people have the energy to worry about it, and I have spent inordinate amount of money over the past 25 years on GW products. If GW makes it easier for me to ignore their product the better. If GW is going into 40k seasons modes where you can only use the latest season models then I am lucky: I get to not spend money on 40k.

Maybe I am just jaded and old, or perhaps it is the "maya" of tabletop wargaming not reaching my heart anymore.

If I'd want to spend time worrying about a company there are far more evil and wicked companies around to worry about than a Nottingham toy company that is so afraid of the digital age they'd rather sell us expensive shelf-spacers than provide us with proper updates.

God I am tired. So tired.

Damn some of y'all just making up stuff wholesale to be concerned about lol.

Clearly this is just a precursor to them squatting 'rotating' the entire Marine range. Yes, even Primaris.

Tyranids will be the new poster children of 40k!!!

beast_gts wrote:
From Twitter:

WarhammerCommunity wrote:They'll just be leaving the range for a while, but they'll return in the future, most likely alongside a relevant release such as a new Codex or Campaign Book. It is of course possible some of these heroes could return as updated models in future too.

This is exactly what I thought once I looked at the list of models "going into the GW Vault". The only named character I expect to see again without a Primaris update is Tycho, because he's dead twice over!

 Gert wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
That's not rotating. That's replacing.

Hence the post said "possible". Did you just ignore the first part or what?

How does that contradict what I wrote? They announce they are rotating the availability of these models and then turn around and say that it's possible they're being replaced instead.

Perhaps you should work on your own reading comprehension before criticizing that of others.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
How does that contradict what I wrote? They announce they are rotating the availability of these models and then turn around and say that it's possible they're being replaced instead.

Perhaps you should work on your own reading comprehension before criticizing that of others.

The 40k FB page makes a vague non-committal response to a comment and you decided the whole process is replacement.

Just so there is absolutely no doubt this is the exact comment chain:

FB User wrote:To be fair most of these just need new models anyway

Warhammer 40k wrote:It's possible we could see updates of some of these guys in future.

That is the same basic formula the GW FB pages use for 90% of the comments on there.
"Wow you sure are right random internet person, it would be cool if at some point we made new/updated models."

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So GW is binning off a bunch of low sales items to simplify inventory. I’ll believe the rotation nonsense when any of these come back. I’d bet heavily that the fine cast stuff on this list is gone for good.

Aye, only problem is when rulebooks for that specific army have that finecast model entry. They did not update the mini to plastic, they just put it on the rotating box and hide it for when they see it fit.
Its like selling a chess game but you cant buy all the pieces you need to play.

2022 price rise, rotating minis... lets see the next one...

Always On-Line DRM. If you don't input your boxed set's bar code into the Game's Workshop User Verification App, your models will melt themselves.

 Gert wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
How does that contradict what I wrote? They announce they are rotating the availability of these models and then turn around and say that it's possible they're being replaced instead.

Perhaps you should work on your own reading comprehension before criticizing that of others.

The 40k FB page makes a vague non-committal response to a comment and you decided the whole process is replacement.

Where did I claim the whole process is replacement? All I said is that what they described as a possibility (replacing with an updated model vs rotating the old model back in) is replacement, not rotation.

Your whole point is based on an incorrect statement.
This:

WarhammerCommunity wrote:They'll just be leaving the range for a while, but they'll return in the future, most likely alongside a relevant release such as a new Codex or Campaign Book. It is of course possible some of these heroes could return as updated models in future too.

Was not written in the article. It is a combination of the article saying the models featured may be released sometime in the future and a reply to a FB comment on how the commenter believed most of the featured models require updates.
You literally don't have a point because GW has not said any of those models will be replaced.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Nope not bothered by this. I mean GW gave up on 'everything from the dawn of time in stock forever (in Nottingham)' but around 2011, and we've seen terrain kits, IG metals and other models disappearing all the time. I too am very skeptical about these ever coming back, but that's fine.

No reasonable person can expect a toy company to keep everything in production forever, and others pointed out, 3D printers go BRRRRR.

No thats quite common, many models get discontinued... thats not what GW is saying. They said we cant have these many SKUs we are going to put on hold and in rotation several units, here's the first ones.
This is not your common bye bye old mini, this seems something much wider across the 40k board aiming at both plastics and resins.
They can keep things on codex because officially the unit is not extinct, it's still part of the range, it's just that you cannot buy it.

With the avalanche of new products GW puts up with its a question of time ( apparently we are out of time) for when more minis get into rotation mode.
Besides what will be the determining factor to rotate a unit... age of the kit? Size takes too much space? Popularity? And the scary bit here is, will a range that collides with GW new marketing plan be considered too?

I think this is heading more towards a model where they release an Indomitus for 1 month and then split easy build sprues into 2 pricy bundles on another month... to finish off by putting them on rotation mode, to give space for the next boxset coming in. We are not far from that already.

...and so what? Stop buying GW products if their business practice goes against your rules/beliefs/ethics.

Maybe I am just getting too old, but ultimately this is a toy product. If a toy company is going to do something I don't like I'll just go elsewhere. I'll 3D print my own models, play with different rulesets, or shop at 3rd party vendors. The world is our oyster, and GW is selling us very expensive stuff. You can still play with what you have and you can play older editions. GW ain't sending its ninjas to burn anyone's army.

I just honestly don't get this expectations/obligation that GW remains this static thing that never changes. Company is going to company and I just don't understand how people have the energy to worry about it, and I have spent inordinate amount of money over the past 25 years on GW products. If GW makes it easier for me to ignore their product the better. If GW is going into 40k seasons modes where you can only use the latest season models then I am lucky: I get to not spend money on 40k.

Maybe I am just jaded and old, or perhaps it is the "maya" of tabletop wargaming not reaching my heart anymore.

If I'd want to spend time worrying about a company there are far more evil and wicked companies around to worry about than a Nottingham toy company that is so afraid of the digital age they'd rather sell us expensive shelf-spacers than provide us with proper updates.

God I am tired. So tired.

See if your tired just take a step back and rest or dont post. At the end of the day its a forum about toys where we discuss toys. No one is forcing you to play is it?

I dont know what your on about with the "against your rules/beliefs/ethics" though really?

Believe it or not I dont care enough about this but GW is starting the year with a few stinkers and we are debating it for the sake of it, like it or not some people like to debate things.

Your making things up and then concern posting about it. Lol your not "believe it or not I don't care enough about this" you are "Believe me, l'm hella concerned, here are my baseless concerns."

Lol

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
So GW is binning off a bunch of low sales items to simplify inventory. I’ll believe the rotation nonsense when any of these come back. I’d bet heavily that the fine cast stuff on this list is gone for good.

Aye, only problem is when rulebooks for that specific army have that finecast model entry. They did not update the mini to plastic, they just put it on the rotating box and hide it for when they see it fit.
Its like selling a chess game but you cant buy all the pieces you need to play.

2022 price rise, rotating minis... lets see the next one...

Always On-Line DRM. If you don't input your boxed set's bar code into the Game's Workshop User Verification App, your models will melt themselves.

GW is a bit behind on digital so yeah that may well be their 2022 take on it. BTW can someone tell FW I'm not a bot! Fed up of the bus and boat pictures every time I go there. Man oh man they do have a funny way about modern things.

Just my 2 cents on this, but of the list they put out today, I've not seen a single person buy, or play these models at any of my LGS. I don't even know anyone who owns any of them, save one of my friends that has the Watch Captain.

Seems reasonable to put some of this stuff on the back burner for a while. Plus, they're telling people now so that you have time to go and get what you want. Seems to me like a lot of people just want something to screech at.

 Gert wrote:
Your whole point is based on an incorrect statement.
This:

WarhammerCommunity wrote:They'll just be leaving the range for a while, but they'll return in the future, most likely alongside a relevant release such as a new Codex or Campaign Book. It is of course possible some of these heroes could return as updated models in future too.

Was not written in the article. It is a combination of the article saying the models featured may be released sometime in the future and a reply to a FB comment on how the commenter believed most of the featured models require updates.
You literally don't have a point because GW has not said any of those models will be replaced.

I never said it was written in the article. The quoted comment was posted by the official Warhammer Community Twitter account. And what the hell does that have to do with your prior objection to my comments? Care to take another swing?

 Togusa wrote:
Just my 2 cents on this, but of the list they put out today, I've not seen a single person buy, or play these models at any of my LGS. I don't even know anyone who owns any of them, save one of my friends that has the Watch Captain.

Seems reasonable to put some of this stuff on the back burner for a while. Plus, they're telling people now so that you have time to go and get what you want. Seems to me like a lot of people just want something to screech at.

I mean that is what DakkaDakka is famous for. The same 10 or so posters making the same complaints 12 hours a day for the last decade.

I am surprised by the number of posters here and elsewhere that seem to be seeing this announcement only through the lens of the list of models that were the first to hit rotation.

This was not an announcement about these 19 kits. It was an announcement about a new policy, which absolutely will affect more models in the range somewhere down the road.

Like many of you, I don't particularly care about any of these 19 kits. But that's hardly the point, right? Because eventually, they are going to hit models I DO care about. And they're going to eventually hit models that you care about too.

PenitentJake wrote:
I am surprised by the number of posters here and elsewhere that seem to be seeing this announcement only through the lens of the list of models that were the first to hit rotation.

This was not an announcement about these 19 kits. It was an announcement about a new policy, which absolutely will affect more models in the range somewhere down the road.

Like many of you, I don't particularly care about any of these 19 kits. But that's hardly the point, right? Because eventually, they are going to hit models I DO care about. And they're going to eventually hit models that you care about too.

Yes, but then you can just buy them or wait a little more and work on your backlog. You already waited years to buy models like these, apparently you can wait a little more until they're back. And since GW replaces 40K every 3 years that's the timeframe you can expect until they're back.

PenitentJake wrote:
I am surprised by the number of posters here and elsewhere that seem to be seeing this announcement only through the lens of the list of models that were the first to hit rotation.

This was not an announcement about these 19 kits. It was an announcement about a new policy, which absolutely will affect more models in the range somewhere down the road.

Like many of you, I don't particularly care about any of these 19 kits. But that's hardly the point, right? Because eventually, they are going to hit models I DO care about. And they're going to eventually hit models that you care about too.

If you “care about them” you’d have bought them, is GW’s view. It’s not unreasonable to retire low-selling models, and companies do it all the time. GW don’t usually tell us when something goes. This bit of FOMO time-restriction marketing is just window dressing on a regular range reduction.

But seriously, some of these have been in production for like 20 years. GW doesn’t get paid in forum musings on “hmmm someday I’ll buy X character/army maybe possibly”.

Can you imagine the outcry of some one like Lego did this? People would just stop collecting And they'd be closed down in a month!

 Plant wrote:
Can you imagine the outcry of some one like Lego did this? People would just stop collecting And they'd be closed down in a month!

LEGO retire kits all the time… because they’re a manufacturing business and can’t manufacture everything from their history always. Kinda very similar.

A better hot take might be “this is like asking LEGO to still be producing set 928 and being salty they’ve now decided to stop even though I’ve had since 1979 to buy it.”

I... Fail to really see what has some people so worked up, GW doesn't have the best track record with their business decisions and I certainly have no love for many of their decisions and changes, but this just seems like a rather inoffensive logistical solution.

Like... they're already doing it with LotR, many other wargames do the same, and their catalogue is so bloated that it definitely needs the help. While yeah I do get on some level "but I want it now" when it comes to the possibility of not being able to buy certain sets, it's not exactly going to be the biggest priority of GW to keep stocked and have manufacturing lines for sets that people rarely buy. Logistics is a massive overhead and strain on a company, especially since GW does most of their logistics in-house, it makes sense that they wanna be able to cut down on that overhead.

Honestly, I'm just surprised it's taken this long for them to do it, really, it should have been done years and years ago.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Plant wrote:
Can you imagine the outcry of some one like Lego did this? People would just stop collecting And they'd be closed down in a month!

LEGO retire kits all the time… because they’re a manufacturing business and can’t manufacture everything from their history always. Kinda very similar.

A better hot take might be “this is like asking LEGO to still be producing set 928 and being salty they’ve now decided to stop even though I’ve had since 1979 to buy it.”

No way. I had no idea. Looks like GW aren't as stupid as people make out.
I hereby fully reverse my position due to recognising my own ignorance.

 Togusa wrote:
Just my 2 cents on this, but of the list they put out today, I've not seen a single person buy, or play these models at any of my LGS. I don't even know anyone who owns any of them, save one of my friends that has the Watch Captain.

Well, I currently own at least 4 of them - even if I'm not entirely sure where one of them has gone - and have tried to pick at least a couple of the others up in a proper material (*cough*metal*cough*) at various times.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Plant wrote:
Can you imagine the outcry of some one like Lego did this? People would just stop collecting And they'd be closed down in a month!

LEGO retire kits all the time… because they’re a manufacturing business and can’t manufacture everything from their history always. Kinda very similar.

A better hot take might be “this is like asking LEGO to still be producing set 928 and being salty they’ve now decided to stop even though I’ve had since 1979 to buy it.”

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.

My girls have gotten into Lego Friends (and ONLY Lego Friends) and will ask for this kit or that which they see in the catalogue in the back of some instructions. Of course the kit is now OOP and going for over $100...

 Dysartes wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Just my 2 cents on this, but of the list they put out today, I've not seen a single person buy, or play these models at any of my LGS. I don't even know anyone who owns any of them, save one of my friends that has the Watch Captain.

Well, I currently own at least 4 of them - even if I'm not entirely sure where one of them has gone - and have tried to pick at least a couple of the others up in a proper material (*cough*metal*cough*) at various times.

I know people own them. I was just commenting on the fact I'd not seen any of these models in games or in painting videos in eons. Some of them are great models, like Pedro and Lysander.

Man, if only there were some sort of online, bid-based sales platform with which you could purchase models while they are on rotation...

If only that mystical "Electronic Auction Bay" often allowed you to buy models for a lower price than they held/hold on the official Games Workshop web store, whether they were being currently produced or not...

What a world we would live in then.



Seriously, who cares about this? Is there a secret underground Brother Corbulo fan club somewhere on this forum? It's the only logical explanation.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Plant wrote:
Can you imagine the outcry of some one like Lego did this? People would just stop collecting And they'd be closed down in a month!

LEGO retire kits all the time… because they’re a manufacturing business and can’t manufacture everything from their history always. Kinda very similar.

A better hot take might be “this is like asking LEGO to still be producing set 928 and being salty they’ve now decided to stop even though I’ve had since 1979 to buy it.”

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic.

My girls have gotten into Lego Friends (and ONLY Lego Friends) and will ask for this kit or that which they see in the catalogue in the back of some instructions. Of course the kit is now OOP and going for over $100...

Hah, now I read it again it’s more obvious. Ahhh plain text and nuance, never together.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

I never said it was written in the article. The quoted comment was posted by the official Warhammer Community Twitter account. And what the hell does that have to do with your prior objection to my comments? Care to take another swing?

Sorry, let me get this straight. Are you claiming you weren't trying to manufacture outrage by suggesting GW was being misleading? If its not this please elaborate on what exactly your post was commenting on.

I've also just gone a checked the context of the tweet in question and do you know what? It's exactly the same vein as the FB replies. Person asks if models will get updated, WarCom says "maybe". No GW saying the models are being replaced, just GW doing what GW always does when people ask model questions.

PenitentJake wrote:
I am surprised by the number of posters here and elsewhere that seem to be seeing this announcement only through the lens of the list of models that were the first to hit rotation.

This was not an announcement about these 19 kits. It was an announcement about a new policy, which absolutely will affect more models in the range somewhere down the road.

Like many of you, I don't particularly care about any of these 19 kits. But that's hardly the point, right? Because eventually, they are going to hit models I DO care about. And they're going to eventually hit models that you care about too.

Yes thats it, a new policy for all 40k kits. Surprising that GW publicly admitted they reached saturation and need to do this after a recent production upgrade.
I only remember GW doing such thing when they discontinued bitz many years ago.
Yet many got stuck on the pictures of minis they dont like, so they dont care

 Gert wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

I never said it was written in the article. The quoted comment was posted by the official Warhammer Community Twitter account. And what the hell does that have to do with your prior objection to my comments? Care to take another swing?

Sorry, let me get this straight. Are you claiming you weren't trying to manufacture outrage by suggesting GW was being misleading? If its not this please elaborate on what exactly your post was commenting on.

I was pointing out that replacement is not the same as rotation. If they rotate a model's availability then you will have another chance to buy it. If they replace a model you will not. It's concerning that they are making statements that seem to suggest that they regard both outcomes to be equally acceptable. But for instance, if you need one of the affected models for your non-primaris SM army and you're expecting it to be available again, you may be disappointed.