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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
You know the Harlequin box is six models, right?


Only 6 players, however.


...And? Two boxes is twelve models and four fusion pistols, which is a legal squad.


Mmmm, meant 5 players. There's 5 players and a Troupe Master.
   
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Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
You know the Harlequin box is six models, right?


Only 6 players, however.


...And? Two boxes is twelve models and four fusion pistols, which is a legal squad.


Mmmm, meant 5 players. There's 5 players and a Troupe Master.


Look at the sprue again. Seven torsos, six legs.

(For the record I'm with you generally on being irritated about GW's approach to writing datasheets based on the kit instructions, but this specific complaint doesn't line up with the facts particularly well.)

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2022/03/06 18:39:16


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 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
You know the Harlequin box is six models, right?


Only 6 players, however.


...And? Two boxes is twelve models and four fusion pistols, which is a legal squad.


Mmmm, meant 5 players. There's 5 players and a Troupe Master.


Look at the sprue again. Seven torsos, six legs.

(For the record I'm with you generally on being irritated about GW's approach to writing datasheets based on the kit instructions, but this specific complaint doesn't line up with the facts particularly well.)


There are not seven torsos on the sprue. There's only 5 torsos you can make without the troupe master one.
   
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Waaaghpower wrote:
... what's the problem here? GW includes more bits than you need in a troop kit, and that's... a bad thing?

Most kits have the opposite problem, where if you want to have a fully flexible unit you need to buy a half dozen boxes. Want your devastator squad to all have the same weapon? Better buy *four boxes* of devastators!


Two boxes, but the point stands.

   
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Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
You know the Harlequin box is six models, right?


Only 6 players, however.


...And? Two boxes is twelve models and four fusion pistols, which is a legal squad.


Mmmm, meant 5 players. There's 5 players and a Troupe Master.


Look at the sprue again. Seven torsos, six legs.

(For the record I'm with you generally on being irritated about GW's approach to writing datasheets based on the kit instructions, but this specific complaint doesn't line up with the facts particularly well.)


There are not seven torsos on the sprue. There's only 5 torsos you can make without the troupe master one.

Yeah, but the new unit datasheet lets you use that torso to make a Lead Player meaning people can get more out of the box if they want.
   
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Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
You know the Harlequin box is six models, right?


Only 6 players, however.


...And? Two boxes is twelve models and four fusion pistols, which is a legal squad.


Mmmm, meant 5 players. There's 5 players and a Troupe Master.


Look at the sprue again. Seven torsos, six legs.

(For the record I'm with you generally on being irritated about GW's approach to writing datasheets based on the kit instructions, but this specific complaint doesn't line up with the facts particularly well.)


There are not seven torsos on the sprue. There's only 5 torsos you can make without the troupe master one.


Take another look, just so we can end this tanget:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Harlequin-Troupe-Troop-2017

The troupe master torso is 24+25.
That same sprue also has 1 other torso front and back: 18+23
the next sprue has 2 fronts (16, 17) and 3 backs (20, 20 and 22)
the third sprue has 3 fronts (13, 14, 15) and 3 backs (19, 19 and 21)
1+2+3 = 6, plus the master torso (24+25) for a total of 7. (with a spare back half left over)

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Voss wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
Hecaton wrote:
 AnomanderRake wrote:
You know the Harlequin box is six models, right?


Only 6 players, however.


...And? Two boxes is twelve models and four fusion pistols, which is a legal squad.


Mmmm, meant 5 players. There's 5 players and a Troupe Master.


Look at the sprue again. Seven torsos, six legs.

(For the record I'm with you generally on being irritated about GW's approach to writing datasheets based on the kit instructions, but this specific complaint doesn't line up with the facts particularly well.)


There are not seven torsos on the sprue. There's only 5 torsos you can make without the troupe master one.


Take another look, just so we can end this tanget:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Harlequin-Troupe-Troop-2017

The troupe master torso is 24+25.
That same sprue also has 1 other torso front and back: 18+23
the next sprue has 2 fronts (16, 17) and 3 backs (20, 20 and 22)
the third sprue has 3 fronts (13, 14, 15) and 3 backs (19, 19 and 21)
1+2+3 = 6, plus the master torso (24+25) for a total of 7. (with a spare back half left over)



Not all of the fronts and backs match up, if you've assembled the sprue you'd know. There's only 5 complete torsos able to be made (besides the Troupe Master) from that sprue.
   
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You're claiming they made multiple front bits that don't match to... anything? Even though there is an extra back piece? I'm kind of curious how that works.

I could easily believe 18 only goes with 23 (since they look wider at the waist), but 16 and 17 look like go with the 2 20s or 22, and 13-15 should fit with 19s or the 21.

You sure you just didn't fit one right?

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2022/03/07 04:47:43


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Voss wrote:
You're claiming they made multiple front bits that don't match to... anything? Even though there is an extra back piece? I'm kind of curious how that works.

I could easily believe 18 only goes with 23 (since they look wider at the waist), but 16 and 17 look like go with the 2 20s or 22, and 13-15 should fit with 19s or the 21.

You sure you just didn't fit one right?


Very sure. If you look at them, while they literally fit together, the lines on the torsos don't line up and it's very jarring. Like someone had the front of one outfit on and the back of another.

And no, everything matches to something, but they bottlenecked the number of front and back bits so that you can only make 5 torsos.

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It's been a while since I've dealt with that kit, but I was under the impression it was about thirty seconds of knife work to make the torso parts that "don't fit" fit.

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Rihgu wrote:
I'm confused. Each box comes with 6 players, or you can build 1 as a troupe master.

If you buy 2 boxes, you build 1 as a troupe master, and 11 players, and you have your 11 model unit with 4 fusion pistols.

Or you just build all 12 as players.

Where is the issue?


That if you have two boxes, you can build two troupe masters and than you can`t use 2 caresses , 2 fission and 2 embraces. It`s stupid to force people to take blastable squad just to use the weapons they want that are included in the box. If the squads were from 6-12 i would understand the restrictions, but now it seem more like balance thing, than what is in the box.
It`s also annoying in context with Tau suits, where there is not a single air burst in it and for every model you can have 3.
   
 
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