FireForge The Samurai Wars - Kickstarter 80% Fulfilled.

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**Smokestack**

MDSW wrote:
kendoka wrote:
Gahh.
Errors:
- samurai grip their swords with right hand in front of left. No exeptions.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen use the thumb to draw the bow. They neither draw the arrow/string with their other fingers nor release by separating said fingers.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen always place the arrow on the right side of the bow (due to the thumb draw)
- Oda Nobunaga has his swords upside down like a clueless cosplayer

Also, the positioning of the left arm of the middle bowman is an insult to human anatomy.

Good catches!! Yes, that one Samurai is definitely wrong - or left handed, which I do not think was allowed, but I am not sure! And the thumb-draw for archers... My son was practicing that with his archery and definitely a different way, but super effective with higher draw bows.

And, I did get a few boxes of the Northmen and the Zombie Soldiers and such. The sprues were nice and seemed packed well. Unfortunately, I have not assembled them yet.

Oda's swords... People commented on that on the facebook post. Fireforge replied stating "we had production issues to study, now we already fixed that" So I assume that to mean they corrected the sword issue, but we'll see. As far as the bowstring fingers position and the left handed samurai, I havent seen any replies but have seen comments from people on facebook.

**Smokestack**

"We have designed an entire kit entirely dedicated to command options for your samurai and ashigaru units. Officers, commanders, banners, musicians, accessories, all in plastic to give you what no one else has ever given you until now."

**Shadow Walker**

Entire command kit? Interesting. Cannot wait to see more renders.

**Smokestack**

I wonder if they actually mean a whole command kit... as in a seperate box? Or if its a command Sprue like the northmen or dwarves got?

Edit: from the wording it definitely sounds like a whole separate box... which then makes me wonder if the normal samurai or ashigaru boxes dont come with command options in those boxes.

**Shadow Walker**

Smokestack wrote:
which then makes me wonder if the normal samurai or ashigaru boxes dont come with command options in those boxes.

I think that is the case. One box to give you all your command needs for any squad. Also, it doubles for a use in various skirmish games where you want your models unique rather than clones.

**Smokestack**

Yeah, they commented on Facebook.

Fireforge Games
" yes, this will be a separate kit (there is not enough space inside the boxes with all the parts they need to insert command options too)"

**Shadow Walker**

Smokestack wrote:
Yeah, they commented on Facebook.

Fireforge Games
" yes, this will be a separate kit (there is not enough space inside the boxes with all the parts they need to insert command options too)"

Now I wonder how many models will be there in the command box.

**Smokestack**

As usal, from Facebook

"Here is now a preview of our plastic warrior monks assembled with the yumi option."

**Shadow Walker**

Hopefully it's Naginata/Yumi in the same box.

**Ancestral Hamster**

Shadow Walker wrote:
Hopefully it's Naginata/Yumi in the same box.

hai (Yes).

The traditional weapons of the sohei. And one can convert one to represent Benkei. I'd go with tesubo myself, but he reputedly carried seven weapons, of which that was just one.

summer grasses
all that remains
of great warriors dreams
-Matsuo Basho-

**BobtheInquisitor**

Autumn purchases
From Miniature Market
Discount Warriors

**Smokestack**

From facebook

"Today's preview: musician options that will be in our plastic multi-part kit for samurai and ashigaru officers"

**Shadow Walker**

Command kit looks better with each new render.

**Smokestack**

"Here is now an example of what our samurai models assembled with the Yari option will look like."

**BobtheInquisitor**

I’m looking forward to the samurai and the monks. But after revisiting their box for the Albion Knights, I am really, really looking forward to their ad copy.

**Albertorius**

...I want to see an albion's knight equipped with "several weapons, axes, swords, and knight's lances".

**Smokestack**

Are the Albion's knights historical size or the Northman size?

**BobtheInquisitor**

I …think they’re the same size as Fireforge’s Teutonic Knights. I remember thinking a lot of the Albion Knights parts were reuses of parts on the Teutonic Knights sprue. But for some reason I’ve never held both at the same time or stood them next to each other.

**Shadow Walker**

Smokestack wrote:
Are the Albion's knights historical size or the Northman size?

They are smaller than Northmen so I guess historical size.

**highlord tamburlaine**

The Albion are the Teutonic sprues with different helmets basically. Got some I've painted at some point.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Albertorius wrote:
...I want to see an albion's knight equipped with "several weapons, axes, swords, and knight's lances".

So the average RPG protagonist?

**Albertorius**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Albertorius wrote:
...I want to see an albion's knight equipped with "several weapons, axes, swords, and knight's lances".

So the average RPG protagonist?

CRPG at least, yeah

**Smokestack**

"With our kits for samurai wars you can assemble all sorts of models, including officers, commanders and camps. Please help us sharing our news about our future #kickstarter campaign!"

**Shadow Walker**

That command kit will be pure gold for themed dioramas.

**Kid_Kyoto**

kendoka wrote:
Gahh.
Errors:
- samurai grip their swords with right hand in front of left. No exeptions.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen use the thumb to draw the bow. They neither draw the arrow/string with their other fingers nor release by separating said fingers.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen always place the arrow on the right side of the bow (due to the thumb draw)
- Oda Nobunaga has his swords upside down like a clueless cosplayer

Also, the positioning of the left arm of the middle bowman is an insult to human anatomy.

I am in no position to agree or disagree but sir I respect the hill you have chosen to die upon.

**Ancestral Hamster**

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
kendoka wrote:
Gahh.
Errors:
- samurai grip their swords with right hand in front of left. No exeptions.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen use the thumb to draw the bow. They neither draw the arrow/string with their other fingers nor release by separating said fingers.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen always place the arrow on the right side of the bow (due to the thumb draw)
- Oda Nobunaga has his swords upside down like a clueless cosplayer

Also, the positioning of the left arm of the middle bowman is an insult to human anatomy.

I am in no position to agree or disagree but sir I respect the hill you have chosen to die upon.

While I cannot say if kendoka-sensei is correct on points 2 and 3, he is correct on the first and fourth points. I should have caught them myself, but it has been 30 years since I last took a kendo class and so do not automatically look for correct grips, etcetera. Kendoka's username also means "kendo practioner" in Japanese, which suggests some experience with kendo. Perhaps he has experience with kyudo (Japanese archery) as well.

**RedRowan**

From posts on Facebook and twitter it sounds like some of those may have been fixed.

Steve

**KidCthulhu**

Hopefully they fixed Oda. The upside down daisho was really distracting from an otherwise decent model.

**Smokestack**

"Our mounted samurai can be assembled as horse archers too, here is an example."

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok, with the number of kits they have shown I am guessing they have to have all the weapon choices in a single box (unlike the dwarves) as other wise we are at like 12 sets now?

**Kid_Kyoto**

Ancestral Hamster wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
kendoka wrote:
Gahh.
Errors:
- samurai grip their swords with right hand in front of left. No exeptions.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen use the thumb to draw the bow. They neither draw the arrow/string with their other fingers nor release by separating said fingers.
- japanese (and othern eastern) bowmen always place the arrow on the right side of the bow (due to the thumb draw)
- Oda Nobunaga has his swords upside down like a clueless cosplayer

Also, the positioning of the left arm of the middle bowman is an insult to human anatomy.

I am in no position to agree or disagree but sir I respect the hill you have chosen to die upon.

While I cannot say if kendoka-sensei is correct on points 2 and 3, he is correct on the first and fourth points. I should have caught them myself, but it has been 30 years since I last took a kendo class and so do not automatically look for correct grips, etcetera. Kendoka's username also means "kendo practioner" in Japanese, which suggests some experience with kendo. Perhaps he has experience with kyudo (Japanese archery) as well.

Normally when anyone says 'they NEVER did this' I'm inclined to disbelieve because I've known a lot of people and 'people sometimes do stuff they're not supposed to' seems to be a general rule.

But I've also know a lot of Japanese people, and I've personally been told to use my right hand for calligraphy even though I'm left handed. So when someone say 'Japanese people NEVER did this' yeah, that might be right.