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Personally I believe this is just a regular troop option and that you will still have the overthetop detailed heavy heroes and specials.
Again, just where has anyone where here asked for the basic troopers to be "overthetop detailed heavy" miniatures? You're really missing the point if that's what you think is being asked for.
A new and quite unique theme is a great idea - but a lack of a theme is not a theme.
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Personally I believe this is just a regular troop option and that you will still have the overthetop detailed heavy heroes and specials.
Again, just where has anyone where here asked for the basic troopers to be "overthetop detailed heavy" miniatures? You're really missing the point if that's what you think is being asked for.
Wasn't your main example of what you think they should look like the Necromunda Squat?
The model has a lot of details. What it doesn't have is ornaments. To me this communicates the practical no-nonsense nature, whereas the sleek scifi look communicates high tech level. I assume that all this is perfectly intentional.
I'm perplexed to see this argument, that essentially boils down to "Too busy with iconography". Have you guys forgotten this?
This was the tipping point for me, and frankly I think it has gotten gradually worse. I mean yeah it's still a nice model, just a bit too much...much, for my taste. I find the new HH reveals incredibly refreshing.
For the record, there was a period where I used to do this to my minis, but I eventually decided that this is the way forward for me
I juiced up his gun, added a little personal artefact in the form of a prayer book / operational primer. Doses it suffer for the lack of a 12 inch bayonet and four purity seals? Personally I don't think so. Honestly the excessive bling on modern sculpts is a real bugbear for me sometimes. When they get it right, it's great, but I really feel they overdo it to the point of parody sometimes and I really don't understand why. They're professional artists, surely they know the value of restraint. I often find myself thinking that some higher up in the design dept (who probably isn't a designer themselves) is making (bad) decisions with a lot of these designs.
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Assuming its the basic troop unit, of which you might end up running 30 or more, I don't think its unreasonable the thing isn't covered in vast amounts of ornamentation.
I mean its a dwarf, in upgraded flak armour (presumably for a 4+ save) with a fancy looking but presumably not too crazy gun. I'm not sure what else you'd expect.
Its not doing a huge amount for me - but I've always been more on the elf master race team than dwarfs. Now if somehow they release some with Chaos Dwarf Babylonian style beards and the giant pointy hats...
Crimson wrote: The model has a lot of details. What it doesn't have is ornaments. To me this communicates the practical no-nonsense nature, whereas the sleek scifi look communicates high tech level. I assume that all this is perfectly intentional.
It doesn’t look particularly high tech to me, especially compared to Tau or Eldar. It looks quite recognizable to modern sensibilities, like a space suit from a 90’s TV show. It makes me think less of Squats and more of this guy (with a beard):
Personally I believe this is just a regular troop option and that you will still have the overthetop detailed heavy heroes and specials.
Again, just where has anyone where here asked for the basic troopers to be "overthetop detailed heavy" miniatures? You're really missing the point if that's what you think is being asked for.
Wasn't your main example of what you think they should look like the Necromunda Squat?
Sort of - it was the non-Imperial design elements from that model, which boil down to a symbol on the belt buckle, and one on the backpack.
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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Crimson wrote: The model has a lot of details. What it doesn't have is ornaments. To me this communicates the practical no-nonsense nature, whereas the sleek scifi look communicates high tech level. I assume that all this is perfectly intentional.
It doesn’t look particularly high tech to me, especially compared to Tau or Eldar. It looks quite recognizable to modern sensibilities, like a space suit from a 90’s TV show. It makes me think less of Squats and more of this guy (with a beard):
Do things that don't look particularly high tech to you often remind you of Humanity's greatest technical achievements?
Crimson wrote: The model has a lot of details. What it doesn't have is ornaments. To me this communicates the practical no-nonsense nature, whereas the sleek scifi look communicates high tech level. I assume that all this is perfectly intentional.
Exactly this. There are lots of little touches like the wrist computer, the piping on the legs (that to me suggest an environmental suit), pouches, grenade, casual cybenetics that say a lot about the faction that isn't buried under the usual 40k level of grandiose over-commitment to whichever brand of Imperial/Chaotic/Alien insanity the faction happens to espouse.
I'm excited by the potential here, precisely because it is a departure from the usual over-the-top look.
Personally I believe this is just a regular troop option and that you will still have the overthetop detailed heavy heroes and specials.
Again, just where has anyone where here asked for the basic troopers to be "overthetop detailed heavy" miniatures? You're really missing the point if that's what you think is being asked for.
Wasn't your main example of what you think they should look like the Necromunda Squat?
No, I've not at all said that I want them to all be heavily detailed to the same level as Grendlesen is (He has like 10 different embellishments, most of which are Imperial-themed) just that it could have done with something like a few of the small details he has. Specifically these two, the Squat-themed ones:
Just the belt buckle or the backpack icon (which, regardless of what you think of the whole "Fantasy Dwarf Theming", the Dwarf-face logo and Runes evidently are part of these new models too as they're shown in the reveal video) would make a big difference, but even then, it's not about whether it's specifically fantasy Dwarf stuff or not, it could be anything really, as long as it showcases some level of theming for them that elevates them above just a basic sci-fi look. Currently there's nothing at all to give even a vague semblance of there being more.
Again, even the basic Imperial Guard, Space Marine, Tau, Necron, Genestealer Cult and Ork miniatures have various embellishments and details that link them to their army/theme. Without anything like that at all on the new miniature it feels a bit lacking, It would be like making a new Imperial unit that doesn't feature an Aquila (or similar) anywhere.
All I think they should have done with the new version is add that logo on the backpack, maybe on the belt too, and I feel like like a padded undersuit would have been a bit more interesting (and would have been a bit more unique) - so not a substantial change to their overall design and certainly not the whole sunglasses biker thing again. Still practical, still the high-tech theming, not over-done with the fantasy aesthetic and not an absurd level of detail beyond what you'd expect from a basic trooper, just a bit more life and character to it rather than the "nothing" that the miniature has.
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I thought he was a demiurge at first. But apparently they are imperial ? Well, I've rarely seen such a bland and generic, uninspired, model in 40k. I guess all the people who wanted generic advanced humans are going to be happy.
It could, should, have been a joyful day but we got a definitely-not-space-marine with a tau gun, squatau. Super.
Actually being a demiurge would have been way better I think
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godardc wrote: I thought he was a demiurge at first. But apparently they are imperial ? Well, I've rarely seen such a bland and generic, uninspired, model in 40k. I guess all the people who wanted generic advanced humans are going to be happy.
It could, should, have been a joyful day but we got a definitely not space marine with a tau gun squatau. Super.
Actually being a demiurge would have been way better I think
He's not wearing power armour or carrying a bolter. How is he a "not space marine"?
Crimson wrote: The model has a lot of details. What it doesn't have is ornaments. To me this communicates the practical no-nonsense nature, whereas the sleek scifi look communicates high tech level. I assume that all this is perfectly intentional.
It doesn’t look particularly high tech to me, especially compared to Tau or Eldar. It looks quite recognizable to modern sensibilities, like a space suit from a 90’s TV show. It makes me think less of Squats and more of this guy (with a beard):
Do things that don't look particularly high tech to you often remind you of Humanity's greatest technical achievements?
Are you suggesting that high tech for the 1960’s is what high tech should look like in 40,000 years? Humanity’s greatest technical achievement so far in present day absolutely shouldn’t look high tech to a civilization that has colonized the galaxy 15,000 years ago.
Does humanity’s greatest technological achievement circa 1000AD look particularly high tech to you?
Crimson wrote: The model has a lot of details. What it doesn't have is ornaments. To me this communicates the practical no-nonsense nature, whereas the sleek scifi look communicates high tech level. I assume that all this is perfectly intentional.
It doesn’t look particularly high tech to me, especially compared to Tau or Eldar. It looks quite recognizable to modern sensibilities, like a space suit from a 90’s TV show. It makes me think less of Squats and more of this guy (with a beard):
Do things that don't look particularly high tech to you often remind you of Humanity's greatest technical achievements?
You mean, humanity's greatest technical achievement in our universe, not one where humanity has colonised thousands of star systems.
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Fusion Reactor may be more important.
I don't mind the new Squat - but also have the choice of the old models or the K Overlords from AOS depending on what i feel like using.
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GaroRobe wrote: What's the issue? Isn't it a good thing GW isn't cramming dwarf-face runes all over the armor? Or that they're not going the Warcry warband route of having the same icon crammed onto every warrior's belt?
GW has a nasty habit of overdoing that. Just look at space wolves.
Maybe the full kit will have icons on pouches and things to tie them into the faction. I personally prefer adding my own icons, because having icons on already (like GSC models) makes it harder to convert the model into not GSC things.
Yeah, it is like beating a dead horse.
"Here is a dwarf. You know its a dwarf due to its rotund physique and blatant abuse of BEARD. But we think you're a stupid consumer, who needs the concept reinforced at every juncture, so to make up for your perceived lack of intelligence, we have done you the favor of plastering a dwarf face icon on each side of the model, just so you don't forget. You're bloody welcome."
A distinct LACK of such iconography would be a breath of fresh air. I agree with NAVARRO. I dont need you to hold my hand. I want creative freedom. Keep your skulls and other idiotically placed iconography to yourself, GW.
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JWBS wrote: I'm perplexed to see this argument, that essentially boils down to "Too busy with iconography". Have you guys forgotten this?
This was the tipping point for me, and frankly I think it has gotten gradually worse. I mean yeah it's still a nice model, just a bit too much...much, for my taste. I find the new HH reveals incredibly refreshing.
For the record, there was a period where I used to do this to my minis, but I eventually decided that this is the way forward for me
I juiced up his gun, added a little personal artefact in the form of a prayer book / operational primer. Doses it suffer for the lack of a 12 inch bayonet and four purity seals? Personally I don't think so. Honestly the excessive bling on modern sculpts is a real bugbear for me sometimes. When they get it right, it's great, but I really feel they overdo it to the point of parody sometimes and I really don't understand why. They're professional artists, surely they know the value of restraint. I often find myself thinking that some higher up in the design dept (who probably isn't a designer themselves) is making (bad) decisions with a lot of these designs.
Amen to all of the above, JWBS.
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JWBS wrote: Surely one hominid picking up a chunk of wood and bashing his neighbour (competitor) was the birth of technology.
That might be the birth of tool use, but not technology. The first whittled spear/stone axe would probably be closer.
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Also, IIRC the monolith in 2001 made a hominid pick up a hip-bone and use it as a club, not a piece of wood
Spoiler:
According to the novel it taught the hominid *time* and that things can change. Then it picked up a bone and clubbed a bigger stronger hominid to get access to a water hole.
GaroRobe wrote: What's the issue? Isn't it a good thing GW isn't cramming dwarf-face runes all over the armor? Or that they're not going the Warcry warband route of having the same icon crammed onto every warrior's belt?
GW has a nasty habit of overdoing that. Just look at space wolves.
Maybe the full kit will have icons on pouches and things to tie them into the faction. I personally prefer adding my own icons, because having icons on already (like GSC models) makes it harder to convert the model into not GSC things.
Yeah, it is like beating a dead horse.
"Here is a dwarf. You know its a dwarf due to its rotund physique and blatant abuse of BEARD. But we think you're a stupid consumer, who needs the concept reinforced at every juncture, so to make up for your perceived lack of intelligence, we have done you the favor of plastering a dwarf face icon on each side of the model, just so you don't forget. You're bloody welcome."
A distinct LACK of such iconography would be a breath of fresh air. I agree with NAVARRO. I dont need you to hold my hand. I want creative freedom. Keep your skulls and other idiotically placed iconography to yourself, GW.
Some people like Fantasy Dwarfs for the typical Fantasy Dwarf theming.
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Mentlegen324 wrote: Some people like Fantasy Dwarfs for the typical Fantasy Dwarf theming.
Correction, some people like GW fantasy dwarfs for the not-so-typical-over-the-top-and-obscenely-unnecessary-GW-method-of-forcing-their-brand-of-theming-down-our-collective-throats.
You want a typical themed fantasy dwarf? Look at Middle earth minis. Dwarves done in a way even dwarf haters can get behind. But there is nothing typical about how GW do their Warhammer dwarves. Other than they've been doing it for so long that people mistake it for what dwarves universally are in ANY other setting/IP.
I don't see people complaining Cadians are plain and boring and generic Sci-Fi, even though their aesthetic is wholly ripped from Starship Troopers, and their uniform are rather plain.
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