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**lord_blackfang**

Bro they already brought back Titanicus, Blood Bowl, Warhammer Quest, AdMech, GSC and Zoats, this isn't as off the beaten path as you make it out to be.

**Overread**

At the rate we are going with GW bringing back the old we'll soon hit a point where the only old stuff they won't have added is Epic and Warmaster.

Though Titanicus is still missing chaos and xenos

And the Zoats need MORE!
WAIT I wonder if -- ZOATS allied with Squats perhaps?!

**Jadenim**

N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

**Pacific**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Bro they already brought back Titanicus, Blood Bowl, Warhammer Quest, AdMech, GSC and Zoats, this isn't as off the beaten path as you make it out to be.

I think it is. It might not have been the case for you (depending on your age and what part of the world you live in) but for me this is absolutely earth-shattering. I made a post in Dakka Discussion why I think that is the case, you are welcome to come and comment!

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/804421.page

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Overread wrote:

And the Zoats need MORE!
WAIT I wonder if -- ZOATS allied with Squats perhaps?!

There was the old Ian Watson Space Marine book, where it was actually Chaos Squats riding mechanised Ambulls!

**kodos**

after The Old World, it is not that big of a surprise

GW learned that they can make money with fan-service and keep people engaged by just giving them small pieces of the stuff they want

given that a full faction release take years to prepare it is more of a surprise that GW is doing it now with the release still being months away which does not fit the usual everything secret until the last moment approach

so lets see what else we get until autumn or if this was just a teaser to distract (and nothing else until release)

**Sasorijap**

I am excited about the Squats but dear god...why???

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Why not?

**gorgon**

Genestealer Cults were in a pretty similar situation. They just barely had one up on Squats in that they made it into a 2nd edition codex (albeit as an appendix), but I'd argue that they were much more out of public consciousness before they returned.

**Theophony**

Jadenim wrote:
N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

Turns out the Tau are just a species that the Squats have been supplying their tech to in order to destabilize the imperium. The squats are the new Illuminati/Free Space Masons and are pulling all the strings behind the scene in the imperium.

**Albertorius**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
GaroRobe wrote:
I mean, if people want Space Dwarfs that are very dwarf-y, and are still GW, why not just do KO?

Just swap in the arms and the occasional helmetless head over the KO units, and bam, dwarfs covered in runes and glyphs, but are still sci-fi.

That’s something I came close to doing …before the sticker shock got me. But I wouldn’t pay GW prices that, and I’m even less likely to pay GW prices for a miniature that looks like an early Gates of Antares design or Studio McVey one-off with Stargrave proportions. The feet are the most distinctive part of the new Squat miniature to me. I’m hoping the helmet looks good, too. If it’s another Newcromunda Enforcer marinelet helmet, what a wasted opportunity.

Hey, you know, you could use these space dwarves as boromite count-as for Antares, true... nice

**Kanluwen**

Jadenim wrote:
N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

All of those are also on Van Saar equipment.

**Mentlegen324**

Wiz Warrior wrote:
Mentlegen324 wrote:
No, because those are decals / painted on and not part of the actual design of the miniature itself. I didn't count the various Space Marine chapter transfers and Guard regiment badges and all that either because it's specifically about the miniature design and the level of army-themed detail/embellishments/ornamentation on that and not how they've been painted.

ClockworkZion wrote:
Also, we have no idea if he has an icon on his chestplate since it's impossible to see most of it.

We have a piece of artwork that clearly shows the middle of the chestplate and there's nothing.

Man that's rough. You should probably skip this whole thing then since you'll clearly not be able to tell what they are without a big fat bearded dwarf head sculpted anywhere else than his own head.

I have no idea how GW didnt manage to run this by your quality assurance test group first. Clearly GW have failed and should fall upon their collective swords since depending on decals is a bridge too far.

It's already been explained to you how it's not about being able to "tell they're a dwarf", It's not about it being a Dwarf head icon specifically and even if that was the case, the Dwarf head is their army icon and is therefore no more out of place than an Aquila is on an Imperial unit. Here, i'll quote this for you again because you seem to have missed it:

Mentlegen324 wrote:
Wiz Warrior wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I have to admit I’m perplexed about people who want GW to make more generic Sci Fi troopers. You can buy lots of generic Sci Fi troopers right now, for a third of the price (or less!). GW charges a lot for minis set in their IP—why spend trademarked IP bling money on a mini without the trademarked IP bling?

If Space Marines and guard and Eldar are too GW for you…are you sure you want to buy GW minis?

I dont think you're getting the point. its the redundancy thats seems to be the argument being made for and against.

Eldar are great, but you dont see an elf head as their belt buckle to show you they are "ELDAR tm". Dwarves on the other hand, are clearly distinctive, but lets put dwarf heads on everything, because the only thing that distinguishes them from anything else is a beard. *yawn* yawn I say.

You can be distinctive without being stupid.

Except for yknow, how the Imperial Guard tends to have the Aquila or the guard symbol in several places typically on their weapons and armour, Space Marines have their winged skull and variations of the Aquila and the like on their chest and weapons, the Mechanicus miniatures have the Cog on their chest and elsewhere, Necrons have the Ankh of the Triarch in the center of their chest, the Tau have the Empire symbol on their shoulder pad, Orks have their various Orky Glyphs, Genestealer Cults have their icon carried on chains and such, Inquisition miniatures tend to have a Rossette of some kind....

...do you not realize that the reason that the dwarf head appears in multiple places on GW Dwarfs...is because that's their faction/army icon representing them overall?

As I have said already though, it isn't about it being Fantasy Dwarf theming, but without the miniature even having any of the usual fantasy Dwarf theming and also nothing to replace that not being there, it's just bland.

**Commisar Marbh**

I'll reserve judgement on the aesthetics until we see more pictures of what the range will include. We don't know yet if this is monopose or multiparts (if the latter, could be more heads), we don't know if this is their basic troop unit or something more elite. Basically, the speculation cannons are firing on auto, so let's try and avoid friendly fire.

**Voss**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Maybe the runes that could reasonably be read as TAU

Tricky. How do you spell Tau with an 'H' and no 'A'?
(Not sure why they opted for a real rune just for the middle one)

**Dysartes**

Voss wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Maybe the runes that could reasonably be read as TAU

Tricky. How do you spell Tau with an 'H' and no 'A'?
(Not sure why they opted for a real rune just for the middle one)

...FISH?

**Voss**

Dysartes wrote:
Voss wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Maybe the runes that could reasonably be read as TAU

Tricky. How do you spell Tau with an 'H' and no 'A'?
(Not sure why they opted for a real rune just for the middle one)

...FISH?

Hail fish, perhaps. But I'm not sure how well Tau biology holds up to ice pellets

**GaroRobe**

Sasorijap wrote:
I am excited about the Squats but dear god...why???

What if squats are actually human sized but they chop off their feet at the legs and add tiny stumpy metal feet

**Ian Sturrock**

Sasorijap wrote:
I am excited about the Squats but dear god...why???

What do you mean "why"? Everyone loves freaky toe socks!

**Semper**

Cool there's something new but i'd much rather they sort out all the existing armies, core rules and models BEFORE doing a whole new faction.

**Nightlord1987**

Squats are cool and all.... but Hrud would be a more interesting faction to see on the tabletop.

Range weapons would be near useless, mortal Wounds just being in proximity to them, slowing units movements to a crawl, and forcing successful hits to be rerolled.

I dont see what Squats have to offer. Technologically advanced race is dime a dozen.

**chaos0xomega**

Jadenim wrote:
N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

IMO it says "Tau" on their shoulder pads. First letter is clearly a fancy "T", last letter is clearly a fancy "U". The middle letter can be argued to be a fancy looking "A". if you squint. That was my first thought upon seeing the model as a friend messaged me a photo without the context of the Warcom article, so I immediately though "oh, are these Demiurg Tau allies then"?

**Daedalus81**

Ian Sturrock wrote:
Sasorijap wrote:
I am excited about the Squats but dear god...why???

What do you mean "why"? Everyone loves freaky toe socks!

I think they're cybernetic feet, which is why there are toes and weird ankles.

**Overread**

Also notice he's got a carabiner in both model and art. I wonder if that means one of their units could be an air-dropship which they hang down from to deploy to the battlefield?

**Nevelon**

Kanluwen wrote:
Jadenim wrote:
N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

All of those are also on Van Saar equipment.

I think a lot of us are more familiar with 40k and the Tau than necromunda and the Van Saar. I know I am so when seeing those elements that where I went first.

But the old STC angle makes a lot of sense. Will be interesting to see how the visuals tie into the lore.

**lord_blackfang**

Overread wrote:
Also notice he's got a carabiner in both model and art. I wonder if that means one of their units could be an air-dropship which they hang down from to deploy to the battlefield?

Dwarfs deploying from airships would be a unique new schtick for a GW army.

**Skinnereal**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Overread wrote:
Also notice he's got a carabiner in both model and art. I wonder if that means one of their units could be an air-dropship which they hang down from to deploy to the battlefield?
Dwarfs deploying from airships would be a unique new schtick for a GW army.

Tempestus Scions with grav-chutes from Valkyries. It's not the same, but similar.

**Wha-Mu-077**

Skinnereal wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Overread wrote:
Also notice he's got a carabiner in both model and art. I wonder if that means one of their units could be an air-dropship which they hang down from to deploy to the battlefield?
Dwarfs deploying from airships would be a unique new schtick for a GW army.
Tempestus Scions with grav-chutes from Valkyries. It's not hte same, but similar.

I believe that was sarcasm, given how AoS' Kharadron is an army of dwarfs deploying from airships.

**Mentlegen324**

I hope the feet aren't like this on all of them, both the miniature and the artwork has them with bionic feet, and there's a rumour engine picture of another metal foot + leg but it's clearly different from the one shown here. Casual cybernetic enhancement is one thing, but having them all be amputees would be odd, especially when that's already the Mechanicus' thing.

**Strg Alt**

Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Skinnereal wrote:
lord_blackfang wrote:
Overread wrote:
Also notice he's got a carabiner in both model and art. I wonder if that means one of their units could be an air-dropship which they hang down from to deploy to the battlefield?
Dwarfs deploying from airships would be a unique new schtick for a GW army.
Tempestus Scions with grav-chutes from Valkyries. It's not hte same, but similar.

I believe that was sarcasm, given how AoS' Kharadron is an army of dwarfs deploying from airships.

No grav chutes. Squats use balloons filled with Hopeium, a highly combustible gas provided for decades by fanboys.

**ClockworkZion**

chaos0xomega wrote:
Jadenim wrote:
N3p3nth3 wrote:
Could someone point me to these oft-repeated ”Tau elements” are, since (all) that I’m seeing here is Van Saar energy weapons coupled with a heavier version of the Genestealer mining gear?

Backpack’s like a modernized version of the KO Arkanaut one, but those three are all the design influences I’m spotting, maybe apart from Volkite weaponry concept art.

The panel lines, under slung power cell and circular feature with two notches on the weapon are all very reminiscent of Tau equipment.

IMO it says "Tau" on their shoulder pads. First letter is clearly a fancy "T", last letter is clearly a fancy "U". The middle letter can be argued to be a fancy looking "A". if you squint. That was my first thought upon seeing the model as a friend messaged me a photo without the context of the Warcom article, so I immediately though "oh, are these Demiurg Tau allies then"?

Those are runes based on Norse runes.

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lord_blackfang wrote:
Overread wrote:
Also notice he's got a carabiner in both model and art. I wonder if that means one of their units could be an air-dropship which they hang down from to deploy to the battlefield?

Dwarfs deploying from airships would be a unique new schtick for a GW army.

They can do it in AoS.