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 Altruizine wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
These will be great alongside Necromunda miners ( just need to shave the ridiculous dwarf belt).

This is the way.

No, it's a sign that the user has no sense of aesthetics.

 Altruizine wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I really don't get what they're doing with the Dwarf aesthetics. Almost nothing about their designs give off a feeling of them being a proud martial race of mastercraftsmen with a strong sense of culture who hold their ancestors in high regard and with the Votann being an integral part of their society. It's like they suddenly remembered they didn't add anything to show that so hurriedly stuffed in a few bits on them randomly, like the Theyns backpack banner and how only a single one of their weapons (the bolter) has been shown with any sort of pattern on it, to give off the barest hints of something that's been said is meant to be part of them and the archetype as a whole.

Thankfully, you're only one of like 2-3 people in here constantly complaining that the LoV aren't just a flat, lazy go at SPACE DWARFS.

You know that's probably not what most people want, right? And that the long history of 40K has been filled with examples of the playerbase begging GW not to just squirt out 1:1 analogues between their sci-fi and fantasy IPs (with SPACE UNDEAD/SPACE TOMB KINGS) probably being one of the more recent, controversial examples).

You're absolutely misconstruing what I'm saying. Nowhere did I say i want the Leagues to be an exact copy of Fantasy Dwarfs. I want the race based on the Dwarf archetype to follow the aesthetics of the Dwarf archetype to some extent, that doesn't at all mean a 1:1 copy of Fantasy Dwarfs but in space . Do you also think the Eldar are lazy for being Space Elfs? That you seem to think they can't both follow the Dwarf Aesthetic AND have a new, distinct, unique direction for it is just absurd. That's what the Khadardon Overlords did. Do you also think they're lazy for still following the Dwarf Archetype in their own way?

 Dysartes wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
These will be great alongside Necromunda miners ( just need to shave the ridiculous dwarf belt).

This is the way.

No, it's a sign that the user has no sense of aesthetics.

How many huge, ornate, embossed metal belt buckles do you own irl? And do you think they make you look cool?


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 Mentlegen324 wrote:

I don't think it would be uninspired considering those things are part of the Dwarf Archetype.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

You're absolutely misconstruing what I'm saying. Nowhere did I say i want the Leagues to be an exact copy of Fantasy Dwarfs. I want the race based on the Dwarf archetype to follow the aesthetics of the Dwarf archetype to some extent, that doesn't at all mean a 1:1 copy of Fantasy Dwarfs but in space . Do you also think the Eldar are lazy for being Space Elfs? Or the Kharadron Overlords for still following the Dwarf Archetype in their own way? What they do is what i want these to do.

But you're describing a combination of stereotypes and branding, not an archetype.

The archetypal features of Dwarfs would be a short (pun offended) list, like: height, ruggedness, gruffness, and beards.

When you start focusing down on the in-universe culturally-valued aesthetics of hair grooming and weapon engraving you've very clearly stepped outside the bounds of "archetype" and are discussing one company's vision of Dwarfs in one setting (and probably a couple of additional contemporary companies who have all been lightly pilfering from each other for a decade or two).

Also... you realize it's, like... GOOD to challenge and evolve archetypes, right? On a fundamental level? That makes a new faction *more* interesting.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I don't think they're particularly not-dwarflike, myself (and keep in mind we've yet to see their melee unit or bulky armor boys, which may give you a much better dwarf vibe).

Also, I'd argue that Eldar are a lot more visually distinct than just 'space elves'. What are the common design elements there Slender weapons, plumes, pointy ears? Their armor and weaponry don't look much like anything from fantasy elf paradigms, at least to me, with really just their pointed ears resembling them. If anything I think most of the designs are trying to tap into how alien looking they're supposed to be, ala more Blanche-style art of the Eldar.

I wonder if people would be more happy if they just saw more full beards - short of that, I don't know what would be better suited to thos wanting fantasy dwarfs in space other than more ornate decoration and the like.

 Eilif wrote:
Maybe I'm over-influenced by the paint scheme (there are plenty of differences in the armor after all), but I finally figured out why the Votann are inspiring this sense of deja'vu.

Anyone remember the AT43 Karmans....

Oh yes, I will be using my Karmans as proxies. They will simply be a taller, fuzzier branch of the Votunns....

I quite like the ones with fully enclosed helmets. It means I can’t see their stupid dwarf faces.

I'm digging the look of the full squad, I like the bare heads (particularly the dude with sunglasses). The weapons look pretty cool too. I am also a fan of how they incorporate the robots in with the line troops as well.

Really curious to see what the characters and vehicles look like, as well as other types of infantry. The article mentioned a missile launcher, but non of the dudes in the pictures looked like they had a missile launcher to me.

I think I'd be more excited if they just revealed the whole miniatures line out of the blue, and then they were on pre-order a month later, the trickle-feed of info for months at a time doesn't do much for me.

 jaredb wrote:
The article mentioned a missile launcher, but non of the dudes in the pictures looked like they had a missile launcher to me.

Yeah, we have yet to see it. It's not in the previous fluff article about Squat weapons either.

I wonder what they'll do with it. The egg armor has room for a shoulder fired missile launcher, but maybe they'll go the Dark Reaper route instead just to differentiate them from Imperial weapons.

The worst thing about this is that we're running out of classic 40k memes/rumors. RIP Squat jokes... may you enjoy renewed current edition relevance alongside the plastic SOB. We're basically just left with the plastic Thunderhawk at this point to complain/joke about unless you're a perennially unhappy Chaos or Dark Eldar player.

Eh, it's fine. Necrons still don't have their Pariahs and Chaos Dwarfs still aren't around.

We've been owed a Hrud migration since that Xenos drawing in the 3rd ed rulebook. 24 years seems vintage enough to dig out, you know. Or 25 since we've mapped out 2022 already. Sounds better that way, too.

The lore very much feels like Dwarfs In Space. Yes there's some new concepts like cloning and Not Men Of Iron in there, but those are usually things that are specific to scifi and don't crop up in fantasy (unless you consider the Ironkin to be an analogue for golems) but they still seem to have a thing for mining, they're great crafters, they're generally good natured and loyal to one another and their clans but insular against outsiders without being totally isolationist, they're squat, they worship/revere their ancestors but in this case it's a giant AI (which looks exactly like the ancestor statues from Fantasy).

That's what makes the weirdly generic scifi aesthetic stranger to me. I know we've only seen the most basic grunts so far but based on the artwork and these models they don't feel very Dwarfy, but they also don't feel unique either. Change the proportions so they're normal humans and you'd not be far off any other scifi marine design.

For me the look of their vehicles is going to be a big one. We know the name of one we haven't seen yet, the "Hekaton Land Fortress", and presuming Arkhan Land didn't have anything to do with this one, it could mean almost anything big and armored.

I'm hoping against hope League tanks won't be antigrav hoverers, since there are SO many factions with largely or completely skimmer vehicles these days (all three types of Eldar, Tau, Marines, Necrons), it's beginning to look a bit lonely in the groundpounder club, you know

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Eilif wrote:

Either way I think GW did well with the design direction, dipping in different conceptual routes.
I would dare to say Primaris first incarnation was the tipping point into some clean and sleek look but unfortunately they seem to be falling into the trap of decorating for the sake of decorating there.

Everyone has an idea of what 40k should look like... but only a few times GW actually took the leap into something less expectable. Age of sigmar is a perfect example of what fresh designs can achieve and I welcome that into 40k.

I think we just have different prefferences design wise. I do find it interesting though that you seem to like the Age of Sigmar design which tend to be over-decorated in a way that makes chaos space marines seem modest, while also desiring a more sleek aesthetic out of your 40k figures.

I personally find AoS to be almost universally uninspring and over-designed and generally prefer the older, less-filigreed eras of GW.

The good news for you is that in many ways GW seems to be progressing down both tracks (40k and GW) in ways that you will find pleasing. The good news for me is that used GW is still plentiful (not that my backlog needs many additions) and relatively affordable.

yeah I like them! Takes me a bit to get used to something I wasn't entirely expecting but I think they look cool. Like the helmets as well as the faces. Love to see them painted in a grittier scheme and interested to see how they can be posed but looking forward to getting these!
The email says this look is "ahead of their official release" so I'm guessing they are reasonably soon after chaos.

I think the Kharadron Arkanauts could still function as stand-ins, if it's allowed to have Hearthkyn armed more as pistol+CCW combo.

AoS over-designed? It has a lot cleaner lines than lots of 40k minis. To each their own, though.

I wonder how they'd look with Genestealer Hybrid heads?..

 warboss wrote:
We're basically just left with the plastic Thunderhawk at this point to complain/joke about unless you're a perennially unhappy Chaos or Dark Eldar player.

...there are other sorts of Chaos or Dark Eldar players?

 Dysartes wrote:

 warboss wrote:
We're basically just left with the plastic Thunderhawk at this point to complain/joke about unless you're a perennially unhappy Chaos or Dark Eldar player.

...there are other sorts of Chaos or Dark Eldar players?

Like well armed and armoured Genestealer Familiars.

Ping, NEXT.

Arse.. Meant to quote the post above yours.

 Eilif wrote:
Maybe I'm over-influenced by the paint scheme (there are plenty of differences in the armor after all), but I finally figured out why the Votann are inspiring this sense of deja'vu.

Anyone remember the AT43 Karmans....

I see the resemblance fwiw.

 Gratlugg wrote:
AoS over-designed? It has a lot cleaner lines than lots of 40k minis. To each their own, though.

No, you're correct. I started basing Custodes off using the Stormcadt bodies simply because they're clean and well designed.

Wheather 40k or AoS is the over-designed one varies from faction to faction.

The whole squad looks good. I'm anxious to see more of the army.

Honestly? These are outstanding. Each of the models has so much character. There's definitely some similarity to Starcraft marines, but that doesn't particularly bother me.

Like others have said, I hope we have the option to equip a full squad with sealed helmets. I like the faces, a lot, but the visors also look cool.


And those weapon designs! Man...I love all of them. It's genuinely so fascinating to see how each of the weapons systems clearly descends from the same tech tree as the IoM, but is more sophisticated.

I like the Ion Blasters and the magnarail rifle. I think those have an overall nice design.
The sights on most of the weapons seem impractical though.

No bolters, oddly enough. I see the Ion Blasters, the Magnarail, the revolvers and the hylas, but not the volkite, the bolter and the missile launcher.

I hope you can have all of the squad wear helmets. I never liked exposed faces because of you know, bullets to the face.

You're not heroic unless you're willing to take a bullet to the face.

EviscerationPlague wrote:
You're not heroic unless you're willing to take a bullet to the face.

They've been bio-engineered with ceramite infused facial hair. Nah, they'll be fine.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So a sprue of 5, it would appear.

And I swear one of their helmet domes is so small that it's actually a secret hidden Robo-Squat.

Like the iron-kin(hinted men of iron) gw has said would appear in votann squads? Who would have thought. Gw not lying.

tneva82 wrote:
Like the iron-kin(hinted men of iron) gw has said would appear in votann squads? Who would have thought. Gw not lying.

Yeah, they're in there. I like how they're distinct, but not so distinct as they have a completely different aesthetic from the rest of the squad. Enough that if the squad came face to face with an allied Tech-Priest that one could go "Yes. I am Squat. Beep. Boop!" and probably get away with it.