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 Flinty wrote:
The placement of the front guns seems a bit low, but otherwise it tickles a lot of my fancies. Looking forward to the printing community delivering their own versions

You know dwarfs, always going for the knees!

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
That is kind of weird. Maybe the pilot is meant to use a bunch of onboard sensors instead?

I could understand the pilot being able to see as it's mentioned some of them have cloneskeins that let them see better in the Dark, but you'd think it would have some sort of headlights to help the squad inside see when they disembark.

Or maybe they all have sensors and lights built into their armour too? They are meant to be miners after-all.
Having lights on a futuristic transport sounds like a liability, really. That's just gives an obvious target to shoot.

Pft, inbuilt lights. That's so last millennium! Look, if the driver wants to see where he's going, he'll just have to shine his flashlight out of the cockpit. If anything, the thing that's missing here is the trained monkey that holds the flashlight instead of the driver.

Though if I may say, I think the thing with the gold cage right next to the front end of the cockpit may actually be the headlights. The roll cage is twisted around it, so one on both sides should light the way ahead without too much in the way of blind spots.

Yeah, that looks cool.

No, no, no, it's all completely wrong. They missed the mark by a mile and GW's design has become derivative gak that just copies everything! For crying out loud this just looks like they stole the NASA buggy and put a gun on it! Where's the dwarfiness?!

Real dwarven vehicles have beards!

derpherp wrote:

No, no, no, it's all completely wrong. They missed the mark by a mile and GW's design has become derivative gak that just copies everything! For crying out loud this just looks like they stole the NASA buggy and put a gun on it! Where's the dwarfiness?!

Real dwarven vehicles have beards!

Do you have to give a disingenuous take mocking people who weren't entirely happy with what we'd seen before?

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

derpherp wrote:

No, no, no, it's all completely wrong. They missed the mark by a mile and GW's design has become derivative gak that just copies everything! For crying out loud this just looks like they stole the NASA buggy and put a gun on it! Where's the dwarfiness?!

Real dwarven vehicles have beards!

Do you have to give a disingenuous take mocking people who weren't entirely happy with what we'd seen before?

I'm just poking fun mate, no harm.

How the heck could this be a transport? The one Squat sitting upfront takes up 25% of the whole vehicle. 3 man transport?

Boosykes wrote:
How the heck could this be a transport? The one Squat sitting upfront takes up 25% of the whole vehicle. 3 man transport?

They lay them down side-by-side and slide them into the storage space in the middle

Boosykes wrote:
How the heck could this be a transport? The one Squat sitting upfront takes up 25% of the whole vehicle. 3 man transport?

That a good point actually I even missed the fast that it was supposed to be a transport until now (because reading the buzzfeed writing of warcom hurts my eyes), but that thing doesn't look AT ALL like a transport, hell I don't even see a single entry point on that thing.

Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

It has a small hatch directly under the main armament, in the fine GW style of not being large enough for the crew to actually get through. It may well have something in the rear that hasnt been show yet. It could do with being quite a bit wider to be more clearly a transport.

Have you guys forgotten that Kin are actually really really totally small? GW said so!

 (HN) wrote:

Boosykes wrote:
How the heck could this be a transport? The one Squat sitting upfront takes up 25% of the whole vehicle. 3 man transport?

That a good point actually I even missed the fast that it was supposed to be a transport until now (because reading the buzzfeed writing of warcom hurts my eyes), but that thing doesn't look AT ALL like a transport, hell I don't even see a single entry point on that thing.

Bmp has 1 at back. It's not like transports always have multiple entry points.

As far as i see they didn't show rear.

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves.

Probably in the fact they're short, stocky humanoids known for mining and advanced tech, with a nordic theme.

Nice. Its an exploration moon buggy with a temper. So many uses for this kit!

Patrol box will have one of these, a box of 10 infantry and something else for sure.

And cost £300

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves.

Probably in the fact they're short, stocky humanoids known for mining and advanced tech, with a nordic theme.

Could also be because they're selling them based on the nostalgia button press of 'Bringing back the Squats!!!! Buy nowz!!!'
Well, once they get around to finishing the chaos releases and actually putting them on sale, anyway.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Nice. Its an exploration moon buggy with a temper. So many uses for this kit!

Patrol box will have one of these, a box of 10 infantry and something else for sure.

Probably an HQ choice.

Speaking of, when are we gonna see one of those, eh?

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

They're meant to be the settings version of the Dwarf archetype.That was the whole point to the Squats in the first place, being Space Dwarfs (which they were even called) and the Leagues are definitely Dwarf-themed lore-wise.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

They're meant to be the settings version of the Dwarf archetype.That was the whole point to the Squats in the first place, being Space Dwarfs (which they were even called) and the Leagues are definitely Dwarf-themed lore-wise.

Fo sho, but what I am saying is people seem to be mad that they don't look like Gimli with a laser.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

They're meant to be the settings version of the Dwarf archetype.That was the whole point to the Squats in the first place, being Space Dwarfs (which they were even called) and the Leagues are definitely Dwarf-themed lore-wise.

That’s the thing though, what exactly is the “dwarf archetype”? If you mean the utterly cliched, done to death, Tolkien ripoff that populates almost every setting containing dwarfs, then no thanks.

I was hoping that, if they ever brought squats back, they’d think of something different to do with them. They didn’t. They look like the same cliched crap in the form of better, more modern minis. They’re too “dwarf archetype” for me. I was bored of the same old fantasy tropes 30 years ago.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

They're meant to be the settings version of the Dwarf archetype.That was the whole point to the Squats in the first place, being Space Dwarfs (which they were even called) and the Leagues are definitely Dwarf-themed lore-wise.

That’s the thing though, what exactly is the “dwarf archetype”? If you mean the utterly cliched, done to death, Tolkien ripoff that populates almost every setting containing dwarfs, then no thanks.

I was hoping that, if they ever brought squats back, they’d think of something different to do with them. They didn’t. They look like the same cliched crap in the form of better, more modern minis. They’re too “dwarf archetype” for me. I was bored of the same old fantasy tropes 30 years ago.

Are we looking at the same models?

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

They're meant to be the settings version of the Dwarf archetype.That was the whole point to the Squats in the first place, being Space Dwarfs (which they were even called) and the Leagues are definitely Dwarf-themed lore-wise.

That’s the thing though, what exactly is the “dwarf archetype”? If you mean the utterly cliched, done to death, Tolkien ripoff that populates almost every setting containing dwarfs, then no thanks.

I was hoping that, if they ever brought squats back, they’d think of something different to do with them. They didn’t. They look like the same cliched crap in the form of better, more modern minis. They’re too “dwarf archetype” for me. I was bored of the same old fantasy tropes 30 years ago.

....That is what the Dwarfs are. If you don't like the Dwarf archetype then the army based on the Dwarfs clearly isn't for you. That's not "cliched", it's what they are in the first place

You're complaining about Space Dwarfs being based on Dwarfs. Imagine going "Wow, they made their elfs tall agile humanoids with pointy ears, elegant sleek designs and plenty of magic!, so cliched!". Complaining about them being exactly what makes them that and defines the whole idea is just utterly absurd.

 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

John D Law wrote:
Gotta admit most of the Votann stuff does look very cool but too me it doesn’t scream”dwarf”. I’m likely out of step on this modern version but it’s too generic human sci fi to be dwarf. Still cool looking in a basic sense though.

I've seen a lot of people saying "this stuff doesn't look dwarf" and I keep wondering, where it was even implied that it is "dwarf" as we think of dwarves. I don't think GW is trying to make them into "dwarf" but trying to make a new and unique faction within an established universe. And in my opinion, they're succeeding quite well.

They're meant to be the settings version of the Dwarf archetype.That was the whole point to the Squats in the first place, being Space Dwarfs (which they were even called) and the Leagues are definitely Dwarf-themed lore-wise.

That’s the thing though, what exactly is the “dwarf archetype”? If you mean the utterly cliched, done to death, Tolkien ripoff that populates almost every setting containing dwarfs, then no thanks.

I was hoping that, if they ever brought squats back, they’d think of something different to do with them. They didn’t. They look like the same cliched crap in the form of better, more modern minis. They’re too “dwarf archetype” for me. I was bored of the same old fantasy tropes 30 years ago.

Literally how

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah nah.

I think I'm gonna give not-Squats a miss.

Glad I'm not alone there, yikes.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Nice. Its an exploration moon buggy with a temper. So many uses for this kit!

Patrol box will have one of these, a box of 10 infantry and something else for sure.

And they've built into the fluff that you need two of them.

The fact anyone can say, “that’s what dwarfs are” just shows how creatively bankrupt the vast majority of fantasy is.

the new vehicle looks like a matchbox toy from when i was a kid in the 90s.

Is that a good thing? I think it’s a good thing

Actually, you could probably convert up a playmobile space vehicle to do a creditable job.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Nice. Its an exploration moon buggy with a temper. So many uses for this kit!

Patrol box will have one of these, a box of 10 infantry and something else for sure.

And they've built into the fluff that you need two of them.

Yeah it's clear they weren't designing a transport (or if they were lost sight of the transport aspect along the way) and at the last minuet had to fudge in some new rules to make it work. That the new rules sell more models is a happy 'accident'. Most basic transports seem to sell for about £35 so more then £45 for a pair seems a but steep.