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Aren't these weapon updates identical to the ones in the supposedly fake leaked datasheets?

I wasn't able to find them to confirm, but I remember the Reaper Chainsword going to a Strike vs Sweep profile and a couple other details strike me as familiar.

No, they 'leaked' the Castellan, Valiant, and a Warglaive. They are probably fake leaks, but they did not address the Reaper Chainsword. This could be compared to the Plasma Decimator to really put the nail in the coffin though.

Edit: So yeah, leaks are fake. The leak shows 36'' range and damage 3/4 on the plasma, while the official preview says 48'' and damage 2/3.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Aren't these weapon updates identical to the ones in the supposedly fake leaked datasheets?

I wasn't able to find them to confirm, but I remember the Reaper Chainsword going to a Strike vs Sweep profile and a couple other details strike me as familiar.

The figures are different. The plasma decimator was 3/4 damage in the leaks and was only one mortal wound per roll of 1.

ah nvm then

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
Wasn't talking about that. Think of other LoWs with older 9th edition rules, that didn't get any upgrades, "tame" or otherwise. Keep trying, you'll get it.

I have a crappy cold and I'm tired so it might take me a few days. My brain is toast.

Rules for adding House Korvax to Diciplies of Bel'akor.

More importantly, I think this lays to rest the fact that future legality of the previous warzone books.

You mean the warzone charadon book 2 that's now oop?

It would be nice if they do a double-whammy and release some Titanicus stuff to coincide with these Knight codices. A plastic Dominus kit would be pretty cool right now...

I'm guessing Favor the Dark Gods is going to be the paid upgrades from the context here as well.

I'm also further speculating that this may mean a digital release or some other kind of release for the previous Warzone Books that are OOP now.

 Sasori wrote:
I'm guessing Favor the Dark Gods is going to be the paid upgrades from the context here as well.

I'm also further speculating that this may mean a digital release or some other kind of release for the previous Warzone Books that are OOP now.

With a tiny bit of luck it'll be buy the nugget you want for £3-4 via the app, but I imagine they'll just sell the whole books rules at full RRP and wonder why they never sell.

I smell a compendium coming.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I smell a compendium coming.

I kinda want to know what that might smell like

Dudeface wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
I smell a compendium coming.

I kinda want to know what that might smell like

Flaming dog crap.


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bmsattler wrote:
For me, its the consistency upgrade more than anything that is welcome. No more D6 damage where I roll a 1.

I'm wondering what they are going to do with Stomps now that the melee weapons are getting sweep profiles. My guess is that they will become much less universally good to encourage taking the melee option, which honestly makes sense.

No real reason to change stomps much (aside from probably making them Damage 2). Just giving the chainsword a strike/sweep option makes them a worthwhile consideration, especially for certain custom House Traits (I personally like using Frenzied Attackers, which doesn't apply to feet).

 Sasori wrote:


Rules for adding House Korvax to Diciplies of Bel'akor.

More importantly, I think this lays to rest the fact that future legality of the previous warzone books.

Is it me or shouldn't all knights have this rule ? That way they would all hit the table a little more.

That laser destructor is looking really, REALLY meaty as as a hard counter to T7 vehicles, especially with the ability to instantly bracket a vehicle with a minimum of 7 or max 9 wounds.

Consistant, quality anti vehicle weaponry has always hamstrung the knights (where combat has been the better choice usually) and I'm hoping the melta weapons get a similar treatment to essentially give Consistant damage with spike possibilities.

Here are some Chaos Knight leaks, as per usual, take with salt.

Chaos Knight Leaks

Army Trait
PfP Like Mechanic. Looks like you chose 1 of 3 categories, and the buff happens. They stack as the game moves on and there'all debuffs to enemies within 12'
-1 Damage on All Big Knights, Maybe on Smaller Knights
Mini-Void Shields on Big Knights. They Ignore Damage the first failed save, up to 2 times. Unsure if this is per phase/per turn

Units/Wargear
Volkite does 3 MWs on 6's
Melee Knights retain 2+ WS
Thunderstrike Gaunt is flat 8D and also has a sweep attack at 3 Damage
Wardogs get reroll 1's in melee near a Melee Knight
Havocs are 48' S5 no LOS on Armigers
Wardog Gatling 12 shots Strength 6 Base, Ap -2 D1


Upgrades
Space Wolf like Saga, start at 6+++, goes to 5+++ when you do 15 Damage


Chaos Knight Psychic Tree
WC 6 No Overwatch + Weird Smite
WC6 D3 Mortals, and nearest to target takes 1 MW. 11+ D3 on both
WC6 5+++, Higher cast gives Wardogs within 6' a 6+++
WC6 All Enemies within 12' take a dread test. If failed, take 1 MW.
2 More that were not Caught

Infernal Chart
1 MW for random, D3 for Choice
- +3'
-+1 Wound on a Weapon
- Transhuman

Stratagems:
2CP Roll a D6 for every model you kill in the fight phase, for ever 4+ you gain a Wound back to a Max of 8

The rumored defensive buffs are pretty good, and would let me feel much more comfortable going into Tau and the like.

The Infernal chart losing damage on the weapon buff hurts, as being able to boost damage to take out say a Tau suit per flat-4 shot is very nice. It will depend on where the weapons end up though, as some of those damage boosts are being built into existing weapons.

The Psychic Powers don't really excite me. FnP is ok I guess, and sometimes turning off overwatch is important? I understand that the missing two powers could be the two that really kick things into overdrive.

Wardogs look kinda strong, mass Str-6 shots have been awesome from the lightning locks so far. The +1 to wound from infernal will let them wound just about anything on 4's, and most infantry on 2's.

Void shields seems strange.

Wouldn't you just use small arms fire first, and wait for 2 failed saves before unloading the big guns?

Regarding the void shields it depends, with T8 and potential 2+ Save small arms fire will not harm them fast enough to matter.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Void shields seems strange.

Wouldn't you just use small arms fire first, and wait for 2 failed saves before unloading the big guns?

Funnily enough that's how void shields have worked before in games where void shields been big thing(epic, at etc).


Functional void shield pretty much　impenetrable. Throw volcano cannon at shielded titan it just laughs. You need to burn shields at rapid fire first.

I mean, that's how void shields currently work on super-heavies that have them, like the Astraeus and such.

If (!) those rumours are genuine for a change, presumably they are describing that kind of mechanic without the mechanic actually being called void shields.

Except astreus void shields have huge difference vs traditional way vs been. Big shots better than hail of shots as 12 damage matters. Traditionally vulcan bolter lot scarier than volcano cannon vs shield(indeed titan would be virtually impossible to kill with single volcano cannon regardless game length)

Will we lose the invuln save once these two proto-void shields go down? That might be an odd side-grade instead of an upgrade if its the case.

I mean, nobody knows?

a) are those leaks legit?

If yes,

b) is the person writing these leaks just vaguely remembering void shields as "ignore the first few hits"-type of mechanic or knowledgeable of how void shields work precisely?

If the second,

c) Is he referencing current or past void shield rules?

bmsattler wrote:Will we lose the invuln save once these two proto-void shields go down? That might be an odd side-grade instead of an upgrade if its the case.

No, not according to the leaks. This is an additional layer of defense on top of the Invuln. This is supposedly only on the Dominus class knights though.

Sunny Side Up wrote:I mean, nobody knows?

a) are those leaks legit?

If yes,

b) is the person writing these leaks just vaguely remembering void shields as "ignore the first few hits"-type of mechanic or knowledgeable of how void shields work precisely?

If the second,

c) Is he referencing current or past void shield rules?

Well, I mean I described how the mechanic works in the post per the leaks.

 Sasori wrote:

bmsattler wrote:Will we lose the invuln save once these two proto-void shields go down? That might be an odd side-grade instead of an upgrade if its the case.

No, not according to the leaks. This is an additional layer of defense on top of the Invuln. This is supposedly only on the Dominus class knights though.

Thanks Sasori! Triple Dominus for the OP list!

Do these leaks all come from the same source, or did you compile them from a variety of sources?

bmsattler wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

bmsattler wrote:Will we lose the invuln save once these two proto-void shields go down? That might be an odd side-grade instead of an upgrade if its the case.

No, not according to the leaks. This is an additional layer of defense on top of the Invuln. This is supposedly only on the Dominus class knights though.

Thanks Sasori! Triple Dominus for the OP list!

Do these leaks all come from the same source, or did you compile them from a variety of sources?

These are just one source. I imagine it's someone who got the review codex early.

Only news today.

SamusDrake wrote:
It would be nice if they do a double-whammy and release some Titanicus stuff to coincide with these Knight codices. A plastic Dominus kit would be pretty cool right now...

Very much wanted! Alongside with better Armigers, the FW ones are really, really bad.

That's an interesting bit of news. It seems reasonable to believe that the Imperial Knights Freeblades will get something similar, allowing for souping in one of them into say Grey Knights or Death Guard. That's a nice bit of flexibility for building a list.