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 Sureshot05 wrote:
I find the price/height&area a big issue. Kits are lovely but a marine being able to peek over is a bit of a difficulty. Tactical rocks (i.e. rocks on bases to raise minis) actually pay off here (or a hindrance depending on point of view). Less keen on something that looks precisely marine height.

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I thought there was something odd about the way Warhammer Community proudly declared the landing pad was just tall enough to hide standard infantry. I'd be concerned that with modern GW you are only going to get more models prancing on tactical rocks that won't be able to benefit from the terrain piece, and for no good reason whatsoever.

 Skywave wrote:
I figured it was small, which would be perfect actually! If it can hold a squad of 10 guardsmen on top, and potentially another one inside (even if "pretending" they are in as I doubt it open up for real), that would be the best!

Yeah, it's a fun little bunker. You can fit ten Guardsmen on the roof. It probably gets crowded fast if the squad has a heavy weapon team, though. Or if you put a quad gun in the weapon mount.

The bunkers have no bottom, so you could put models on the board and place the bunker over them. It would be fiddly and pretty impractical to get them out again during the game if you have a squad on the roof, though.

Generally you can tell the Wall of Martyrs is from a time when the standard base size was 25mm. You can get good model density on the terrain pieces. There's enough room for individual 32mm based models, but good luck fitting a ten man squad of those on the bunker.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I always see it as a missed opportunity...

Well, we all know what GW never misses an opportunity to do.

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hm. I always wanted a Wall of Martyrs - Imperial Bunker, but do I get one...?

I heard its made in China, so the plastic is kind of clunky. Like the Garden of Morr...

I can confirm that the edge rims of the WoM models is horribly made. The injection process used appears to not like the edges much:

This is the front of the Wall of Martyrs bunker. Note the stretched skull next to the skeleton niche. The canteen and helmets near the bend in the window are similar, painted to lessen the effect.

The bunkers (small, medium, and big) from that set, plus the Plasma Annihilator turret, were all different to your average GW kits.

The plastic felt different, was an odd colour compared to the plastic GW was using at the time, and, most telling of all, didn't come on sprues!

Yeah, that's something to be aware of. All that surface detail only looks proper from one angle because the terrain is cast in few parts. So you get the familiar issue of simple steel molds not producing undercuts.

It's not something I'd want to carve away and clean up on a table's worth of terrain, but it wasn't so bad on a single bunker I'd bring in the fortification slot back in the day.

I imagine you could also hide the undesirable bits under a coat of sand, though I haven't tried that myself.

 Skinnereal wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:
Hm. I always wanted a Wall of Martyrs - Imperial Bunker, but do I get one...?

I heard its made in China, so the plastic is kind of clunky. Like the Garden of Morr...

I can confirm that the edge rims of the WoM models is horridly made. The injection process used appears to not like the edges much:

This is the front of the Wall of Martyrs bunker. Note the stretched skull next to the skeleton niche. The canteen and helmets near the bend in the window are similar, painted to lessen the effect.

More than just the edges.

Things like the Firestorm Redoubt were just...ugh. I still haven't finished building mine as there was something on the plastic rejecting the plastic glue. Even clamped, it just wasn't sticking together.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
It'd be nice if they still made this thing:

I think it eventually makes a comeback whenever they get around to doing a Kill Team set with Wall of Martyrs terrain - just because they are discontinuing the current products doesn't automatically mean its gone for good, a few of the items on that list are still available as part of other terrain bundles.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Things like the Firestorm Redoubt were just...ugh. I still haven't finished building mine as there was something on the plastic rejecting the plastic glue. Even clamped, it just wasn't sticking together.

That's cause that generation of terrain is... basically a bad formulation of restic (PVC and ABS mix) and not polystyrene. Especially bad because it warps on casting but is resistant to heat bending so you can't even fix it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Things like the Firestorm Redoubt were just...ugh. I still haven't finished building mine as there was something on the plastic rejecting the plastic glue. Even clamped, it just wasn't sticking together.

That's cause that generation of terrain is... basically a bad formulation of restic (PVC and ABS mix) and not polystyrene. Especially bad because it warps on casting but is resistant to heat bending so you can't even fix it.

Oh yeah, I'm aware of polystyrene cement not working. I was not at the time of attempting it, mind you!

It's basically a write-off at this point, even with an attempt at cyanoacrylate. I have it stuck in a box somewhere waiting for me to be bothered to figure out something to do with it. Maybe if I ever get motivated to build a trenchworks board or something, where I can caulk it into the side of a mountain or hill?

PVC weld (for plumbing pipes) might work. Maybe. Really that gak is the worst of all worlds. Luckily I only have a Deathworld Forest and being organic it's a lot easier to gap fill with putty and such.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
PVC weld (for plumbing pipes) might work. Maybe. Really that gak is the worst of all worlds. Luckily I only have a Deathworld Forest and being organic it's a lot easier to gap fill with putty and such.

That stuff took polystyrene cement just fine as far as I know?

I used the shardwrack spines for basing my Idoneth Eels. It looked really cool!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Things like the Firestorm Redoubt were just...ugh. I still haven't finished building mine as there was something on the plastic rejecting the plastic glue. Even clamped, it just wasn't sticking together.

That's cause that generation of terrain is... basically a bad formulation of restic (PVC and ABS mix) and not polystyrene. Especially bad because it warps on casting but is resistant to heat bending so you can't even fix it.

Except that its 100% HIPS and therefore not restic at all and 100% polystyrene.

Not sure what you guys are talking about plastic glue not working on it, I just (as in literally within the past month) built out 2 bunkers and ~2 dozen trench sections using tamiya, testors, and citadel plastic cement and all three worked perfectly (I usually just use citadel plastic glue for the needle applicator, but because of the glue points on the trenches being big and flat I opted to switch to the brush-on stuff from tamiya and testors as its cheaper and quicker to apply than the needle applicator is, but I ran out of the last of my testors stuff and the local store only had tamiya, so ended up using that to finish the job, ended up going back to citadels needle applciator for the bunkers though as a few of those joints were much finer and better suited to needle precision).

Plastic glue worked fine on mine as well.

It was weird compared to what GW usually makes, but that doesn't make it some weird other substance.

The plastic HBMC is describing definitely feels very different. I want to say it feels denser, but I’m not sure that’s the right description.

Certainly the individual parts feel heavier to me.

It is more solid that the plastic used for GW models. 'Dense' is a word I would use, too.

There are also different versions of HIPS around and the less aggressive plastic glues do not work well with those

It does not need to be PVC or ABS for the glue not to work

A bunch of new Last Chance To Buys just went up:

• Aun'va
  
• Dark Eldar Mandrakes
  
• Dark Eldar Grotesque
  
• Clawed Fiend
  
• Kaptin Badrukk
  
• Boss Zagstruck
  
• Boss Snikrot
  
• Aun Shi
  
• Dark Eldar Beastmaster
  
• Necron Overlord w/Warscythe
  
• Urien Rakarth
  
• Razorwing Flock
  
• Sslyth
  
• Necron Lord w/Resurrection Orb
  
• Medusae
  
• Ur-Ghul
  
• Cryptek
  
• Khymerae
  
• Necron Destroyer Lord Upgrade Pack
  
• Farsight Enclave Firewarrior Shoulder Pads
  

Side Note: How do I properly use the List code on this forum software?

[EDIT]: Oh, I can just use HTML? Well alright then...

I think the list function on dakka is broken, you have to use html if you can be arsed.

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Is this part of them discontinuing kits, or is this part of the rolling range and they'll be coming back at some point?

I was clearing out the Cupboard of Crap last night, so I can take more rubbish to the tip in preparation for my house move at the end of the month. Only found all my thought lost/donated Sector Mechanicus terrain! Now to decide whether to keep it, or sell it.

Forge world have also put more stuff on last chance to buy today. Ork stompa upgrades and a random weapon for their giant neocon Walker thing.

I think GW is doing a big strip out of Finecast and as they can't push it out by replacing it en-mass with new plastics they are instead going to do it by putting it all in this new wave of "limited production run" models. They started with the Imperium and now its moving onto other forces.

Also interesting to note that the recent Eldar models were all metal. So perhaps GW has decided to get rid of finecast entirely so they will do not only limited print runs in the future, but also all metal. Letting them control the metal production demands and spread them out and also get rid of a material that has never really worked well for them. All whilst they can buy more time to steadily replace the finecast with plastics or retire them


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 Tamereth wrote:
Forge world have also put more stuff on last chance to buy today. Ork stompa upgrades and a random weapon for their giant neocon Walker thing.

FW's last chance is broken on the website. It's basically impossible to tell if its actually last chance or the glitch.

I want this to lead to a pack of 5 plastic Mandrakes, and 3-pack of plastic Grotesques, but I know it's just as likely to result in them being removed from the Codex altogether...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I think the list function on dakka is broken, you have to use html if you can be arsed.

Thanks!

I've changed the post.

Well, the Grotesques should really get a plastic kit of their own, I've never seen anyone field the finecast versions, and it looks like the other two remaining FC units in the army list, Mandrakes and the Court, are on their way out as well.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Necron Destroyer Lord Upgrade Pack

Well, that's not ideal. For as big as the Necron update at the start of the edition was, Destroyers were perhaps the most glaring omission. Got to echo your thoughts on Dark Eldar here, I should hope that means a plastic kit, but we're taking about GW here.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Well, the Grotesques should really get a plastic kit of their own, I've never seen anyone field the finecast versions, and it looks like the other two remaining FC units in the army list, Mandrakes and the Court, are on their way out as well.

I've never seen the actual Grotesque model in person either, and frankly I'm not surprised. Even with all the problems that came with it being released in Finecast, the worst thing about it is that it came out as a single model when the standard for monstrous infantry both before and after has been three different poses, regardless of material. But in this case GW couldn't be bothered and instead gave us the dance revue Grotesque. You have to wonder if that thing even sold.

Remember it's Sunday tomorrow and that's when the product announcements are. It'll be range rotation again.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Well, the Grotesques should really get a plastic kit of their own, I've never seen anyone field the finecast versions, and it looks like the other two remaining FC units in the army list, Mandrakes and the Court, are on their way out as well.

I guess the 10th edition Dark Eldar Codex will be a few pages thinner then.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Well, the Grotesques should really get a plastic kit of their own, I've never seen anyone field the finecast versions, and it looks like the other two remaining FC units in the army list, Mandrakes and the Court, are on their way out as well.

We’re also now in an era where releases aren’t necessarily tied to a new Codex.

There was that tease from months back of a necron staff weapon of some kind and necron digital effect.

So possibly that is either another necron plastic lord or a new lokhust lord model.

Tau gun rig too.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I was clearing out the Cupboard of Crap last night, so I can take more rubbish to the tip in preparation for my house move at the end of the month. Only found all my thought lost/donated Sector Mechanicus terrain! Now to decide whether to keep it, or sell it.

If you happen to have a Tectonic Fragdrill, I’d be interested!

 Jadenim wrote:
Tau gun rig too.

Oh yes. I thought that was part of last week's batch of terrain, but no, that was just added as well.