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https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/lBLlqvrttJVgyfhC.pdf

No article yet but the PDF is up. There may be some additional FAQ changes to come later.

Highlights:

General buff to all power armour units

All indirect fire weapons get nerfed

All bodyguard rules get nerfed

Some Custodes strats become one use per game and are limited to INFANTRY

Voidweavers are up to 130pts

Broadsides lose CORE

I am pretty happy with the changes, especially changing Favour of Cegorach, and Mirror Archetect for harlequins, those were two very abusive abilities.

The Warhammer 40,000 Balance Dataslate – Find Out What Changes Are in Store for Your Favourite Army - WarCom

Every Heretic Astartes unit reduces AP by 1? Unholy crap. Armour of Contempt? I prefer Armoured Ceramite.

I'm not sure it's enough to help Guard, but it's a start...

Armour of Contempt aka "Oh God we handed out too many -1APs to things... umm... here's a patch!"

This is precisely why 3rd-7th had the all-or-nothing AP system, 'cause they handed out -1 save mods to everything and his dog, and it made power armour basically worthless; Marines, with their vaunted 3+ saves, almost never took 3+ saves. So here we are again.

There aren't enough palms or faces in the world for this...

I know power armor could need a little bit help. But it would be better to lower the output in general. We have such ridiculous high damage partially because space marines went to 2 wounds and a lot of weapons became better to compansate a little bit. Now ignoring the ap boost of these changed weapon profiles makes space marines tougher but startes the cycle again. With weapons becomming even more deadlier...

Could have given Orks a bit of a boost, but instead Guard autowound everything on 6's for some inane reason. Sad to see my FSE losing 3" of their ability as well.

Sninsch wrote:
I know power armor could need a little bit help. But it would be better to lower the output in general. We have such ridiculous high damage partially because space marines went to 2 wounds and a lot of weapons became better to compansate a little bit. Now ignoring the ap boost of these changed weapon profiles makes space marines tougher but startes the cycle again. With weapons becomming even more deadlier...

The -1AP should have been there from the bloody start. It was such an easy mechanic to add and opens up space, finally, for other armies to also expand into 3+ saves but minus the modifier.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Armour of Contempt aka "Oh God we handed out too many -1APs to things... umm... here's a patch!"

But only for Power Armour.

No other factions rely on their armour saves, right?

Now Lasguns auto-wound Land Raiders and Knights on a 6.

Sure. That makes sense.

And I love the change to Indirect Fire.

1. You must have LOS to a target to fire.
2. Indirect Fire Weapons can ignore this rule.
3. But units firing Indirect Fire at -1BS.
4. And things getting hit by Indirect Fire at +1 Armour Save.
5. Unless your Guard in which case forget points 3 and 4.

Witnessing bloat in action is fun.

 vipoid wrote:
But only for Power Armour.

No other factions rely on their armour saves, right?

Not really the point I was getting at.

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Armour of Contempt aka "Oh God we handed out too many -1APs to things... umm... here's a patch!"

But only for Power Armour.

No other factions rely on their armour saves, right?

Power, termi, vehicle

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Not really the point I was getting at.

Oh I know, it just seems like classic GW.

"Don't worry, we'll fix the problem of lethality-escalation and special rules bloat by adding some more special rules that will blunt some of the most recent damage escalation, except that only to certain factions will benefit from it . . ."

I'm reposting this here as well, because hot damn this is too much fun!

Hi everyone!

I'm Guardsmen Johannsen. I have a Lasgun. I feel pretty confident that the God-Emperor of Mankind is behind me, willing me to greater and greater acts of heroism and bravery.

Hello there, Traitors Warlord Titan of a Legion long since lost to the Emperor's Grace. You sure are a big scary robot. But, I rolled a 6, so I auto-wound you.

Why, good day, blue-skinned Tau. Your Manta is a majestic feat of technology - for a xenos that is - and I have seen them glow as they enter the atmosphere at super-high speeds, dog fighting with all manner of aerial foes. But I have a Lasgun, and a natural 6, so I guess that counts for nothing.

Hey Eldar! Your Phantom Titans sure look like works of art, and they move like real people. They blur as they move gracefully, and Wraithbone has been, to my experience, an unknowable dark art capable of turning aside almost anything. But I rolled a 6, so feth you!

Autowound =/= Ignores Saves

Anyways, that plus the "all upgrades are rolled into the points costs" basically confirms that they're going to keep Guard as dumpsterfire GSC Lite statlines.

And? So? But? Therefore?

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Armour of Contempt aka "Oh God we handed out too many -1APs to things... umm... here's a patch!"

But only for Power Armour.

No other factions rely on their armour saves, right?

Well, it just says Astartes/Heretic Astartes.

Which makes me wonder about Scouts.

The IG is currently utter dogshit, even worse than CSM. Autowound on 6s to hit is idiotic, but it's a bandaid until the army get its Codex. Same goes for IG being able to ignore the new Indirect Fire Weapons rules (this new rule would have completely killed the army).

Yes, it's ugly. But it is hopefully only temporary.

This is precisely why 3rd-7th had the all-or-nothing AP system, 'cause they handed out -1 save mods to everything and his dog, and it made power armour basically worthless; Marines, with their vaunted 3+ saves, almost never took 3+ saves. So here we are again.

The all-or-nothing system is also not good. It emphasized the importance of AP3 weapons because of how popular SM are and high RoF with high strength weapons to simply force saves until you would fail them (that's why autocanons were considered superior to heavy bolters when dealing with T4 3+ save units).

The best system would be the current one but with more granularity and switching to D10. Alas, since we are stuck with D6, we will have to make do with special rules.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Armour of Contempt aka "Oh God we handed out too many -1APs to things... umm... here's a patch!"

But only for Power Armour.

No other factions rely on their armour saves, right?

Well, it just says Astartes/Heretic Astartes.

Which makes me wonder about Scouts.

It’s going to take a lot more then ignoring a point of AP to help scouts.

 Nevelon wrote:


It’s going to take a lot more then ignoring a point of AP to help scouts.

Ignoring two points of AP?

I'm just happy that GW is listening to the community and trying to balance the game more. That is a -much- healthier place to be than ignoring the community because of all the name calling. Sure, there are things that I would do differently, but its a very complex game and mistakes will happen.

What will not help is to take all their work and just crap on it because of a disagreement. "I think this might work better" is received way better than "you're stupid."

I'm happy to see Bodyguard go away for the most part. It was an abusive rule that invalidated snipers and just didn't make sense. I'm happy to see indirect being nerfed. As Selfcontrol pointed out, the Guard changes are to prop up a very bad codex until they get a new one.

Changes to Custodes and Harlequins seem reasonable and do not invalidate the codexes. I would have preferred to see a few more nerfs to Tau, but we'll see what the changes they have put in work and go from there.

Power Armor being stronger is a welcome change. I am looking forward to seeing these guys back on the table from time to time. Are Death Guard and Thousand Sons 'Heretic Astartes?'

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:


It’s going to take a lot more then ignoring a point of AP to help scouts.

Ignoring two points of AP?

Honestly, I’m not sure if ignoring all AP and making their 4+ a 4++ would be enough to save them in their current state. But that’s a bit off topic for here. They need a total rework, not a balance pass.

If it was for balancing　sure but it's just for changing imbalance to get players buy new models

Regarding the Armour of contempt rule, it shows the 4. keyword so doesn't all units in with those keywords get the bonus? so tanks, Dreads etc?

What is the impression on Custodes and Harlequin changes? Will it limit their power?

I like most of these changes, and with them rolling the Knight changes into their respective books this seems like a way for GW to open beta test some options in the game which is good too.

Not sure how I feel about 60 point Infantry Squads with free upgrades for Guard, but then again I'm not sure that letting them take special weapons for free actually fixes them.

tneva82 wrote:
If it was for balancing　sure but it's just for changing imbalance to get players buy new models

Lol does it even do that, that much? I don't foresee people scrambling to pick up Chaos Space Marines or Guard, especially not selling their Harlequins or Tau to do so.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'm reposting this here as well, because hot damn this is too much fun!

Hi everyone!

I'm Guardsmen Johannsen. I have a Lasgun. I feel pretty confident that the God-Emperor of Mankind is behind me, willing me to greater and greater acts of heroism and bravery.

Hello there, Traitors Warlord Titan of a Legion long since lost to the Emperor's Grace. You sure are a big scary robot. But, I rolled a 6, so I auto-wound you.

Why, good day, blue-skinned Tau. Your Manta is a majestic feat of technology - for a xenos that is - and I have seen them glow as they enter the atmosphere at super-high speeds, dog fighting with all manner of aerial foes. But I have a Lasgun, and a natural 6, so I guess that counts for nothing.

Hey Eldar! Your Phantom Titans sure look like works of art, and they move like real people. They blur as they move gracefully, and Wraithbone has been, to my experience, an unknowable dark art capable of turning aside almost anything. But I rolled a 6, so feth you!

Yeah but it's a game and Titans being present in the game in the first place is effectively nonsensical and completely collapses balance, so this being a feature doesn't bother me - because you simply cannot simulate those vehicles in 40k in a serious manner.

 Fwlshadowalker wrote:
Regarding the Armour of contempt rule, it shows the 4. keyword so doesn't all units in with those keywords get the bonus? so tanks, Dreads etc?

What is the impression on Custodes and Harlequin changes? Will it limit their power?

Yup. Tanks, dreads, planes, Daemon engines.....

Edit: And Cultists! At least CSM Cultists. They still have the HERETIC ASTARTES keyword.

Could someone explain the changes to the bodyguard rule? As far as I can make out it now means you can now target the character if they're the closest, even if they have a bodyguard?

 Valkyrie wrote:
Could someone explain the changes to the bodyguard rule? As far as I can make out it now means you can now target the character if they're the closest, even if they have a bodyguard?

And snipers can shoot them, yes.