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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be...

Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?

Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

Largely the same gear, though, so it seems like a pointless 'Whats in a name?' distinction to me.
It'd be like producing another line unit for eldar that have basically the same weapons, but inscrutable army building rules that make them worse.

Oh, puckernuts...

drbored wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be...

Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?

Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.

This wouldn't be the first time that GW used a KT box to release "discontinued" terrain. Hell, all three boxes contained at least one existing terrain kit that was not available for individual purchase at the time the box existed (Octarius had the ork barricades/junk piles from speed freeks, none of chalnaths terrain contents were available for individual purchase at the time, and kill team nachmunds plasma conduits were unavailable as well).

chaos0xomega wrote:

drbored wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be...

Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?

Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.

This wouldn't be the first time that GW used a KT box to release "discontinued" terrain. Hell, all three boxes contained at least one existing terrain kit that was not available for individual purchase at the time the box existed (Octarius had the ork barricades/junk piles from speed freeks, none of chalnaths terrain contents were available for individual purchase at the time, and kill team nachmunds plasma conduits were unavailable as well).

The Ork barricades are included in the Mek Workshop box, and the Walls and Floors sprues from Chalnath are part of the Sisters Battle Sanctum. But point still noted.
Best case scenario is brand new terrain, maybe Chaotic ruins set for a purging?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

drbored wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be...

Guard vs guard essentially? Wall of Martyrs stuff?

Wall of Martyrs is being discontinued. It'll likely be a smattering of the new walls they put out recently, depending on warzone.

This wouldn't be the first time that GW used a KT box to release "discontinued" terrain. Hell, all three boxes contained at least one existing terrain kit that was not available for individual purchase at the time the box existed (Octarius had the ork barricades/junk piles from speed freeks, none of chalnaths terrain contents were available for individual purchase at the time, and kill team nachmunds plasma conduits were unavailable as well).

The Ork barricades are included in the Mek Workshop box, and the Walls and Floors sprues from Chalnath are part of the Sisters Battle Sanctum. But point still noted.
Best case scenario is brand new terrain, maybe Chaotic ruins set for a purging?

I might be mistaken, but I could have sworn that the barricades were only included with the mekboy workshop following the repackaging with the new Ork book. At the time that Octarius released, it was just the "workshop" model. Heres where the mekboy workshop was previewed for the first time in 2018 - it doesn't show the barricades, etc: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/21/next-week-the-codex-youve-been-waiting-forgw-homepage-post-1/

Wasn't able to find much to confirm one way or another, my google fu must be weak

Voss wrote:
Largely the same gear, though, so it seems like a pointless 'Whats in a name?' distinction to me.

We don't know that though. Traitor Guard may have greater access to special weapons, or a more expansive variety of weapons. Not to mention specialists (as it would be a KT box). Hell, a Heavy Weapon trooper/team could be right on the sprue, as GW doesn't have to mirror the current setup of the Cadian/Catachan sprues.

Right now Cultists are Autopistol/Hand Weapon. I suspect there will be an Autogun variant, but the two aren't the same.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be.

That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

There's also already bespoke rules for veteran guard, why would they do another guard faction when numerous factions still have compendium rules? And top that with traitor guard rules for the other faction?

I get the desire for both of this units to get new models, but it isn't happening as a KT box set.

What an awesome day of reveals! Apart from the hover bike, I was impressed by all of it. Super happy with what showed up for chaos today, and hoping for traitor guard still to come for killteam.

 Starfarer wrote:
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

Well that's not 100% then, is it.

And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

Well that's not 100% then, is it.

And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.

This. In my mind, it's a coin toss whether the traitor guard will be an upgrade sprue for the Cadians or a new kit. I think making them an upgrade sprue would be an awful waste unless that upgrade sprue is AMAZING.

I think it's much more likely that it'll be two full new kits. What we may see as a result is other things getting upgrade sprues that wont be Kill Team releases.

Remember the upgrade sprue that came out for the Cadian Shock Troops before Kill Team 2.0 came out? I bet that Cadian shock troop was supposed to be a Kill Team release, but due to strategies having to be redone on the fly due to shipping delays and such, they released it ahead of time. Who knows what else could be coming? Either way, we'll be able to tell come Friday.

GW jokes about the age of the Berserker kit. Which is true, but the IG kit is also of that generation, and also needs updating. And to make matters worse the IG kit costs more $ than the SM Tactical kit.

The Dark Commune being a unit for a HQ choice makes me think we may be going back to commanders with command squads combined for guard, and I am all for it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

Well that's not 100% then, is it.

And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.

a heavy armour upgrade sprue for Cadians to get Kasrkin is not that unlikely

Kasrkin are Cadians in plate armour and upgraded Laser Guns, a sprue with new helmets, backpags and guns/arms and you have your elite Cadians to fight new traitor guard models

and how the models on the pics for traitor guard look like, those are new mono-pose models with some options to exchange weapons, so for sure not an upgrade kit for old-school models

 kodos wrote:
a heavy armour upgrade sprue for Cadians to get Kasrkin is not that unlikely

No one is suggesting that, though.

it is what I expect for the KT Box until I see pics of the models (and might be proven wrong)

I think everyone is setting the bar way too low for potential traitor guard and kasrkin.

Both of these would be fantastic additions to the ranged......would we really think GW would put out an upgrade sprue to one of the its worst kits in circulation for two units people have been wanting for years?

I mean I don't have a lot of expectations of GW, but I feel making an upgrade sprue to the current Cadians to make Traitor Guard or Kasrkin would just be inviting even more negative feedback than they already get (though in this case it would be well deserved).

All that said, I don't think we will see both in the same KT box. I do expect we will likely see Traitor Guard on Friday though.

AoS reveal today.

Not a single skaven banner on the preview. The Eshin ones have disapeared from the countdown
And still not a single substantial leak.

I'm beginning to get worried...

 Starfarer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be.

That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

There's also already bespoke rules for veteran guard, why would they do another guard faction when numerous factions still have compendium rules? And top that with traitor guard rules for the other faction?

I get the desire for both of this units to get new models, but it isn't happening as a KT box set.

Maybe the Traitor Guard sprue from Blackstone Fortress? Not exactly "new" then. I can't remember if there was other stuff on that sprue though.

So, that was a good first day, I think. The Chaos models all look pretty nice.

Possessed look good. That's kind of a first. Sure, we had Greater Possessed with the last Chaos update paving the way, but an actual Possessed kit that doesn't suck is much appreciated.

"Of the abyss" is a direction I don't mind GW taking cooltists. I quite like the ones from Blackstone Fortress. If I had been at the helm I would have given them skirts like the 2nd ed cooltists had, rather than pants and half skirts. But I'm not actually bothered by that.

Cooltist half spawn look fun individually, but a bit of a mess as a unit. I'll put that down to 'Eavy Metal style being a bad choice for these guys rather than the actual models. A more cohesive and grisly paintjob will do wonders.

Cooltist Possessed suffer a similar issue, but I'm generally not so sure about them. I'd like to see 360°s of them before I make up my mind. Still, I like them in concept at least.

Command squad looks fine to me. I see why people bring up Nazgul, but in my opinion that's just poor choice of colors on GW's part. If they shared the red all the other cooltists have instead of being all dark, I imagine the connection to Nazgul wouldn't be invoked quite so often. I like the demagogue, but I hope banner guy has other banner top options as well. I need to see more angles on floaty head guy.

As with the Possessed, there's a first in seeing GW produce an actual, good Daemon Prince in plastic. It's such an improvement on the current one. I don't mind seeing people think of the generic and Slaanesh heads as the good ones. It's as it should be.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the Chaos models shown. Much happier than my wallet, I'd say.

Squat trike, eh. I don't hate it, but since I'm on the side that wants to see space dwarfs grounded, a hover trike was never going to appeal to me. So whatever. What really caught my interest is the paintjob. Now I'm not a fan of the color scheme GW chose to showcase the faction . To each there own. But someone mentioned earlier that the model is missing a focal point and the pilot blending in too much, or something to that effect. For some reason GW chose to paint the trike the same color as the Squat's pants. That's a really weird choice.

Bring on the AoS preview. Although if it's just trees and rats it's probably not going to be of that much interest to me. But we'll see.

deano2099 wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Voss wrote:
And not the direction they decided to go with cultists.

Those were never Cultists, so there's no conflict here.

I like the idea of the next KT box being Traitor Guard v Karskin.

Wonder what the terrain will be.

That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

There's also already bespoke rules for veteran guard, why would they do another guard faction when numerous factions still have compendium rules? And top that with traitor guard rules for the other faction?

I get the desire for both of this units to get new models, but it isn't happening as a KT box set.

Maybe the Traitor Guard sprue from Blackstone Fortress? Not exactly "new" then. I can't remember if there was other stuff on that sprue though.

The traitor guard of blackstone came in a sprue with other things (the chaos marine, psyquer, beasts etc..)

We have the silhouette of a renegade guard somewhat different from the existing ones, the kill team flag with the symbol of chaos, come on, I am convinced that it is a traitor guard for Kill team.

Where I have doubts is in the other part. Kasrkin would be ideal, too good to come all in the same box.

Well we've been told Kasrkin are coming, and I believe it's from the same source who has been right about everything else so far (except Chaos Bikers).

Of course, there's no reason that the next KT box would have both in there, or that Kasrkin are for KT at all.

And if the next KT box is Nephilim themed, well, then we need some Necron stuff... right?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well we've been told Kasrkin are coming, and I believe it's from the same source who has been right about everything else so far (except Chaos Bikers).

Of course, there's no reason that the next KT box would have both in there, or that Kasrkin are for KT at all.

Not to forget the rumor engine with the distinctive old Kasrkin camouflage. Yeah, there should be no doubt Kasrkin are coming. We just don't know when.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And if the next KT box is Nephilim themed, well, then we need some Necron stuff... right?

Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.

Which, of course, won't stop GW.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
That 100% won't happen. Every Kill Team box after the initial release has been 1 new faction and 1 existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

Well that's not 100% then, is it.

And who's to say that it can't happen again? The only consistent thing about GW is their inconsistency. There is every reason to believe that it can happen, and every reason to believe that it won't.

The initial release was a new edition of the game,which for every GW release showcases new models for both factions.

Each release since is an expansion to the game. None of the expansions have featured 2 brand new factions with new models. GW had laid out the roadmap for KT releases. We've seen the pattern of these releases be one entirely new faction, and one existing faction with an upgrade sprue.

I'm not saying it's impossible that we get Kasrkin and Traitor guard in kill team, but I don't believe they would be in the same box. Aside from the release pattern, it is two very similar units against each other. Might be thematic from a lore perspective, but the boxed sets tend to offer two factions with a variance in play style.

 Geifer wrote:


Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.

Which, of course, won't stop GW.

I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.

 Nazrak wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.

Which, of course, won't stop GW.

I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.

I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.

There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:

 Nazrak wrote:

I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures.

That would be so cool!

Come on GW just give me raaaaaaaats

 xttz wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.

Which, of course, won't stop GW.

I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.

I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.

There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:

Spoiler:

Hmm, yeah. For a Canoptek menagerie we'd need a full new kit though, and as Starfarer rightly points out, that's the less likely option going off the two player sets we've seen for Kill Team so far. Both boxed sets after the launch box (and derived starter box) have been a new team plus an old squad plus upgrade sprue.

So while certainly a cool idea, I'm wondering if we won't see an upgrade sprue for Warriors instead. The new Warriors still have separate arms and heads, and a Cryptek builds on the Arrior frame, so you could easily have at least one Cryptek on the sprue for a specialist. You could possibly make a Flayed One as well with upgrade bits. After that, I don't know. At that point we'd be departing from what Warrior bodies historically built. Which is what got me to wonder in the first place, if GW is willing to go that route.

 xttz wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:

 Geifer wrote:


Now I'm wondering how GW is going to do Necron specialists. Novitiates looked weird enough as special equipment/role Sister cosplayers. Necrons are still not supposed to retain any personality at the lowest ranks, right? Or has that been retconned, too? The army doesn't seem like a good fit for Kill Team if it is meant to draw its team and specialists from the same unit rather than including one or two of the wide variety of specialist units to get certain jobs done.

Which, of course, won't stop GW.

I feel like maybe what would make the most sense for a Necron Killteam would perhaps be a Cryptek with his own little retinue of weird and wonderful Canoptek creatures. Also would be delighted to see that as they're my fave bits of the Necrons.

I was about to post exactly the same thing heh.

There's a rumour engine pic from last year that could very easily be some flavour of Cryptek, with a similar 'pixelated' effect as the Psychomancer model:

Spoiler:

Ahhhh… interesting.

Bit annoyed at the lack of autogun cultists being shown off.