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caladancid wrote:
As much as the models look great, it is super lazy to not paint a Kasrkin unit with matching bases. Very weird choice for a marketing picture.

They're likely painted for a different product/release.

with those bases it looks like a kill team in a necron fortress.


karskin vs necrons?

Everything looks really good in my opinion, nice to see Cadians that actually look decent, rather than the horridly proportioned troop box we have today that is 20 years old.

I’m really digging those Kasrkin, but based on the base I’m hoping they aren’t another KT release….I already have too many teams for that game and don’t want to be tempted to add another!

Hopefully Guard sergeants this time around can take a lasgun just like their troopers.

Also, fingers crossed that veterans can still take shotguns and that the new kit will have those included at long last.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...

You could just accept that the occasional retcons are easy to condone, given the setting. You could try that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?

Dudeface wrote:

caladancid wrote:
As much as the models look great, it is super lazy to not paint a Kasrkin unit with matching bases. Very weird choice for a marketing picture.

They're likely painted for a different product/release.

Yes I think you are correct- still lazy to not have one painted for the 40k picture.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...

The last time that happened, we got Primaris and their horrifying abominations of vehicles.

Primaris vehicles are pretty bland, but the marines are lightyears better than the old ones.

Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.

Just out of curiosity, has any kill team set been painted with unique bases? Even the necron one with flayed ones featured typical bases

Only BSF had all black bases….

 Kanluwen wrote:
Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.

Really? That's a bit surprising. So not only are they getting their own specialist unit for Kasrkin, but they're getting a specific troops choice as well? Wonder how they are going to distinguish them enough from regular infantry squads when veterans already exist (unless that datasheet is getting squatted somehow).

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.

Really? That's a bit surprising. So not only are they getting their own specialist unit for Kasrkin, but they're getting a specific troops choice as well? Wonder how they are going to distinguish them enough from regular infantry squads when veterans already exist (unless that datasheet is getting squatted somehow).

Maybe they will keep the legacy infantry squad, but cadian squads will drop the heavy weapon team in favor of extra and new special weapons. Maybe also have one of the rules where one heavy weapon squad doesn't take up a slot for each troop squad you take.

I've been speculating for awhile now that they're going to give Guard a kind of "regiments of renown" setup.

This might be confirmation of it.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Newest tidbit from Ok_Entrepreneur3004 on Reddit has the Cadian Shock Troops getting their own datasheet.

Really? That's a bit surprising. So not only are they getting their own specialist unit for Kasrkin, but they're getting a specific troops choice as well? Wonder how they are going to distinguish them enough from regular infantry squads when veterans already exist (unless that datasheet is getting squatted somehow).

Maybe they will keep the legacy infantry squad, but cadian squads will drop the heavy weapon team in favor of extra and new special weapons. Maybe also have one of the rules where one heavy weapon squad doesn't take up a slot for each troop squad you take.

I'm more expecting some sort of bespoke rule in their datasheet that reflects their title as "shock troops", maybe some type of "shield-company" thing where they get some bonus for being near an objective like guardians currently do.

If Cadian Heavy weapons are getting a new kit, is it possible there will also be a Krieg version to go with their plastics? Maybe both will have a troop, command, and heavy weapon box, then cadians will get kasrkin while kreig get death riders?

Krieg are supposed to be getting Grenadiers/Combat Engineers and Death Riders--plus the HWS and a Command box.

It might be that the Kasrkin are a dual build kit?

 Crimson wrote:
Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?

Impossible. It'd be called the Cawl Battle Tank then.

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...

Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?

Invent it? No. But I think they could have the story be where the tank has been out of use for one reason or another, and Cawl decides to bring them back into production. This could also be used to explain the Horus Heresy tanks that are undoubtedly going to be filling the field since they are now in plastic. Cawl simply decides that the Mechanicus has gotten lazy and let perfectly could vehicles be ignored, and thus orders them to be built again.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?

Impossible. It'd be called the Cawl Battle Tank then.

Nah. If Cawl invented it, it's name would have to end in either "er", or "or". With 10,000 years to come up with names, you'd think he'd be a little more creative.......

The Interferior!

 Kanluwen wrote:
I've been speculating for awhile now that they're going to give Guard a kind of "regiments of renown" setup.

This might be confirmation of it.

Maybe it'll be the guard version of the current codex 'upgrade system', in place of Space Marine chapter honours, Sororitas blessings, Drukhari favoured retinues, Proficient Planning, etc.

Seeing the Horus Heresy releases, I really wish that guard would get back the ability to take Rhinos.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:

Chairman Aeon wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

When your cool setting involves no new tech, you just have to keep retconning new things to always have been there. God, how I wish they'd blow up 40K to allow it to actually progress...

Crimson wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
No doubt the Rogal Dorn tank will be a classic Astra Millawhatnow tank that has been destroying the Emperor's foes for millennia... just off camera.. behind that smoke cloud.

Would you prefer Belisarius Cawl having recently invented it?

Invent it? No. But I think they could have the story be where the tank has been out of use for one reason or another, and Cawl decides to bring them back into production. This could also be used to explain the Horus Heresy tanks that are undoubtedly going to be filling the field since they are now in plastic. Cawl simply decides that the Mechanicus has gotten lazy and let perfectly could vehicles be ignored, and thus orders them to be built again.

If I recall correctly, that's the reason things like the Macharius weren't seen until Vraks. It filled an odd niche: If you need an MBT you just went for a Leman Russ, if you need a heavy tank, the baneblade is heavier. But it was perfect for Vraks as a line-breaker and bunker-killer, (and I think Kreig in general kept them around in general anyway) so they pulled them out of the warehouses.

Another alternative (that could be used to explain multiple shake ups including the new sentinel look) is the discovery of another STC

Complaining about new vehicles coming out is a bit redundant now, guard and marines got new tanks each edition pretty much and no one minds, because we all like new tanks. Technology being stagnant is a nice story hook but not good a business model.

I prefer the idea of some radical admech types making new stuff to the hand wave of it was always there you just didn’t notice it before.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I've been speculating for awhile now that they're going to give Guard a kind of "regiments of renown" setup.

This might be confirmation of it.

Maybe it'll be the guard version of the current codex 'upgrade system', in place of Space Marine chapter honours, Sororitas blessings, Drukhari favoured retinues, Proficient Planning, etc.

Or it will be an entirely new setup.

There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.

 Segersgia wrote:
There are still other ways to justify the sentinel. I’m betting it will be a new pattern from a different Forgeworld, like Agripinaa or Graia, that finally has finished manufacturing them to supply demand. The Cadian pattern is probably not getting built anymore.

CM Valrak, who has had a very good run of rumours from his source, and who mentioned new kasrkin, sentinel, tank, heavy weapons, stated that the new sentinel is cawl-ified, if thats a proper word, lol.


Im delighted for the attention guard is getting...long overdue, i got so tired of missing out on new releases for guard I started a space marines army. In all seriousness its funny how this image leaked just after the preorders for HH. Im very happy i didnt take the plunge with the HH set or the killteam traitor guard set and waited for the new guard stuff to come.....it looks like that was a good call. Cant wait for these....the leak/rumour said they were due around october.