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 Crimson wrote:
DKoK are on 25mm bases, but in the comparison pic the bases were scaled to same width, making the models appear to be of roughly similar size. But of course if Kaskrins are on 28,5mm bases, they'll be bigger.

No, what I meant is...



If you assume that, in both pics the rim of the base is the same height (which, seeing they seem to be flat bases, would probably be the case), the base of the kasrkin is bigger, by a significant margin, taking into account both are quite open legged poses.

 Albertorius wrote:

If you assume that, in both pics the rim of the base is the same height (which, seeing they seem to be flat bases, would probably be the case), the base of the kasrkin is bigger, by a significant margin, taking into account both are quite open legged poses.

Yes, because the Kaskrin most likely is on a bigger base (28,mm.) Though the difference is larger than the base height would indicate. 28,mm bases are actually slightly higher than 25mm ones. [EDIT: The last sentence appears to not actually be true.]




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This is how they would roughly scale assuming a 28,5mm base.

More people need to watch and read Matilda because:

 Gert wrote:
More people need to watch and read Matilda because:

Spoiler:

People clearly already caught on

Well, it's definitely the END of Heroic scale from GW. What people tend to forget when wargaming is... you need to make out what the model is at around 3-4 feet.

These new Chaos Guard and Kasrkin look like Video Game models ripped for wargaming. Secondary to that, they look like a "Not_GW IP model" knockoff of their own IP. Yes that looks like a Kasrkin, sort of. Really thin helmet, heroic scale gun but truescale body.

 RedSarge wrote:
Well, it's definitely the END of Heroic scale from GW. What people tend to forget when wargaming is... you need to make out what the model is at around 3-4 feet.

Right. Because historically that has been such a problem.

 Crimson wrote:

Yes, because the Kaskrin most likely is on a bigger base (28,mm.) Though the difference is larger than the base height would indicate. 28,mm bases are actually slightly higher than 25mm ones.

28mm bases are exactly the same height than 25mm (2021 sculpt). Both are about half a millimetre less than 32mm and other larger bases. For someone who is as passionate as I am about bases, the difference in height is annoying.

That being said, I agree that Kasrkin are on 28,5mm bases and your photoshop looks more accurate than the original comparison.

It's about time that Matilda's Ms. Trunchbull finally got an armored miniature! I do like the mini except for the torn clothing on the back. The rest of the miniature doesn't scream post apocalyptic scarcity of resources that would warrant the battle damage. Still, in plastic thats easy enough to fix.

DeadliestIdiot wrote:
So as far as the whole "Creed's coat" thing, I'm surprised no one has brought up that Creed might have had multiple coats. Once a hole wore in the shoulder of the coat Ursula is wearing he would presumably retire it and get a new identical coat. That said, I kind of doubt GW would go with such a humdrum explanation (and rightly so, 40k is supposed to be a bit over the top at the very least)

I dunno what kind of Richie Rich Scrooge McDuck life you lead but I own exactly one suit of clothes which I wear every day as I stand in the same pose and will continue to wear until the day I die.

I imagine Creed was much the same.

Multiple coats, pft. You must be a Karashian or something.

(To tell the truth I love the idea that it's not Creed Sr's coat but someone gave it to her for the propaganda value, I also love the idea she's not even really related to Creed)

I'm still trying to work out if I like Lady Creed or not. I like the sculpting, but something feels a bit off about the face, reminds me of the larger lady on The Chase tv show. Also, the holes on the back of the jacket are a bit daft, they are way too big to not be repaired. If I do buy her I'll be using greenstuff to repair it.

I'm in two minds about the Kasrkin too. Technically they are great, but for some reason the kneepads are putting me off: they look much better on the original metals. I guess that's the limitations of plastic tooling showing its head again. Dunno why kneepads are so important to me

Will defo be buying the Kasrkin though, hope that they are not significantly taller than my current metals.
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The Sentinels look very nice but I prefer the current versions, I'll be sticking with the four that I own

The torn coat is because it's meant to literally be her father's coat, recovered from the fall of Cadia. Obviously it's very likely a fake as Creed's body was never recovered (what with being in Trazyn's collection), but it's there for symbolic value, not because she can't get a new one. It's like Chow Yun Fat wearing the coat full of bullet holes in A Better Tomorrow 2.

Guard/plastic Catachans got me into 40k after dabbling in Skaven and the 5th ed Fantasy starter before that.

I really want to be excited for new Guard stuff, but those don't really blow me away.

The Kasrkin metals have so much nostalgia and wishful thinking about replacements that no plastic version could fully satisfy everyone. That said, everything below the coat looks off or downright bad. On the other models the legs don't look as bad, but the one they highlighted has straight up sausages for legs. It's like they mashed together a modern sculpt with some early GW plastic legs and added kneepads. Scroll in a way that cuts off above the knees, then just the legs and the whole model looks disjointed. The rest of the design and scaling I can live with, especially with a different helmet that will easily be found on from various sources (FW rebreather heads, for example). I was never a huge fan of Cadia, though, so not super tempted by those Kasrkin - and the idea of them standing next to Gorillas/regular Cadian plastics is kinda hilarious.

The Sentinel is a hard pass and I really regret not getting them when they were in squads of 3, but as a teen money was harder to come by.

pgmason wrote:
The torn coat is because it's meant to literally be her father's coat, recovered from the fall of Cadia. Obviously it's very likely a fake as Creed's body was never recovered (what with being in Trazyn's collection), but it's there for symbolic value, not because she can't get a new one. It's like Chow Yun Fat wearing the coat full of bullet holes in A Better Tomorrow 2.

Yes buddy, I understand the context. I guess that they made the holes really big to make them noticable, but sometimes less is more, for me anyway.

Name of the new tank was dropped on Reddit by OK_E.

"Praetorian", hence the "Dorn" moniker apparently.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Name of the new tank was dropped on Reddit by OK_E.

"Praetorian", hence the "Dorn" moniker apparently.

That name doesn't mean anything to me, are they a reliable source?

So far, yep.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Name of the new tank was dropped on Reddit by OK_E.

"Praetorian", hence the "Dorn" moniker apparently.

That name doesn't mean anything to me, are they a reliable source?

Yes, they've been accurately giving out details on upcoming codexes & models since some time last year.

It's likely that they have access to early playtest versions of codexes.

So if you give the tank commander a pith helmet, is he a Praetorian Praetorian?

Dammit, GW, stop overloading the namespace! :-P

pgmason wrote:
The torn coat is because it's meant to literally be her father's coat, recovered from the fall of Cadia. Obviously it's very likely a fake as Creed's body was never recovered (what with being in Trazyn's collection), but it's there for symbolic value, not because she can't get a new one. It's like Chow Yun Fat wearing the coat full of bullet holes in A Better Tomorrow 2.

It's pretty stupid and disrespectful not to mend the coat, because it's gonna sustain much worse damage if she keep wearing it like that.

Sooner or later that coat gonna turn into multiple pieces that she can turn them into some kind of Crux Terminatus equivalent patches for other comissar's coats.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
So if you give the tank commander a pith helmet, is he a Praetorian Praetorian?

Dammit, GW, stop overloading the namespace! :-P

To be fair, there's not actually that many units in game that use Praetorian.
There's Necron Praetorians, the Praetorian guard and now a Praetorian tank.
Which is arguably still too many, but it could be worse.
It could be wolf.

Oh, I know. I've had my Chimera charged by a pack of Khymerae once. Alas, I didn't get to shoot a Medusae with my Medusa.

jullevi wrote:

28mm bases are exactly the same height than 25mm (2021 sculpt). Both are about half a millimetre less than 32mm and other larger bases.

Right you are! I misremembered at what point the weird discontinuity in the base heights happened. Also explains why people often confuse 28,5mm bases and 32mm bases based on pics, as they have very similar proportions and thus are hard to tell apart.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Name of the new tank was dropped on Reddit by OK_E.

"Praetorian", hence the "Dorn" moniker apparently.

That's good news. Praetorian is a much better name for a tank than Rogal Dorn.

Now I just hope it looks cool, too.

Ug no new base sizes!

I kind of like the look of the armored variant of the new sentinel. Which might be good, as I like the unarmored variant of the old one. So why not both? I really hope they don't phase out the old ones too fast, even though I doupt two different Sentinel sets make sense economically.

With Creed I'm still undecided. I like the body shape, but the head... I don't know. Maybe one has to look at it for a while until it starts to become likeable.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Ug no new base sizes!

Uh, the 28mm bases aren't new?

ah, looks like there might have been a reason why Ursula is wearing the helmet she does

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Yes buddy, I understand the context. I guess that they made the holes really big to make them noticable, but sometimes less is more, for me anyway.

Yes and no. Admittedly I'm on mobile so maybe I missed it but I didn't see any on the front but the holes/tears on the back are really noticeable. It seems like they wanted to have their cake and eat it too from a sculpting/design perspective. At least it's easier to fix that way potentially.

 RedSarge wrote:
Well, it's definitely the END of Heroic scale from GW. What people tend to forget when wargaming is... you need to make out what the model is at around 3-4 feet.

These new Chaos Guard and Kasrkin look like Video Game models ripped for wargaming. Secondary to that, they look like a "Not_GW IP model" knockoff of their own IP. Yes that looks like a Kasrkin, sort of. Really thin helmet, heroic scale gun but truescale body.

If it looks like something from video game, that is a good thing. Not bad. There had been hundreds of tests done on recognizing units at a glance (because in fast paced FPS, being able to recognize enemy classes in a blink is really important and if the players can't do that, your game won't live long) and what you really need for it, is distinctive silhouette. That can be achieved by body shape, pose, gun tip, there are lots of tricks for it but the worst, absolute worst thing you can do, is have a square-ish blob where everything, from body to weapon, blends in and you can't see gak - precisely like in ugly gak squatborn SM and gorilla IG. The new models, both from primaris and traitor/refreshed IG, are lightyears better than old junk.

Now, as for heads, GW has a problem here - they tend to do helmets almost the same size as head without it (especially noticeable on new stormcast) but on the other hand, it keeps consistent model silhouette and from 3-4 feet, being able to tell what the mini is regardless of how it was painted might be more important for designers than having slightly more realistic heads.

And for the record, really disagree about the gun. It's slightly too big, yes, but again, 3-4 feet and IMO it looks great - designer took old, ugly gak brick of a gun from 90s and modernized it, making it far more detailed, thinner, looking more like a weapon someone might use, while keeping old, distinctive silhouette of hot shot making them blend in with old Kasrkin. Job really well done here.

I cannot agree with all of that. In a wargame, the importance of units having distinctive silhouettes is far secondary to the entire army having a strong visual cohesion with itself - the entire side track about FPS game design is completely misplaced here. The criticism of Firstborn being somehow particularly visually indistinct is also badly supported by the facts, considering how badly Primaris fare at this criterion, with their scarcely-distinguishable bolt rifle variants.