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The pintle of the back of the turret? What's it for?
That setup was a thing back in WW2 on Shermans.
Oh I know it was, I was asking what it's for on this tank because it doesn't work out and seems like a poor option compared to the 5 other defensive options it has.
It is basically the Primaris vehicle design logic of More Guns = Better but as a historical reference.
Commitz wrote: The pintle of the back of the turret? What's it for? The tank has a hull gun and two sponsons, that guy on the back is going to be paste within seconds.
Historically, taking pot shots at aircraft, and if at all possible, with the gunner ducked as far down into the turret as possible, according to what little I was able to research with a quick peek. The GW version is less practical, and given how lackluster heavy stubbers have been traditionally, rather baffling inclusion.
The other two stubbers (or meltas) in the front look likewise rather ungraceful. The might look better replacing the upper set of headlights, that way they'd be closer to the level of the hull vision port at least.
AtoMaki wrote:That setup was a thing back in WW2 on Shermans.
Ignispacium wrote:IIRC in WW2 they were anti-aircraft MGs.
the .50 was put in the back of Shermans because they had produced too many and did not know what else they should do with them
this was done instead of throwing them away not because they were of any real use
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Until some yahoos figured out that you can point it at infantry as well, no doubt.
It's actually my favorite detail of the new tank and a very Imperial thing to do. Who cares about the life expectancy of the gunner if you have more guns and dudes than brains? Situational and possibly last standish effort is witnessed to work often enough that it becomes doctrine and now every tenth guy in the tank company takes the expressway to the afterlife. What's not to like?
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Why is the rum always gone?
They re-designed the Leman Russ, but rather than piss people off / allow people to still use their old models and not buy the new one, they created a new tank?
They re-designed the Leman Russ, but rather than piss people off / allow people to still use their old models and not buy the new one, they created a new tank?
That seems to be it, yeah.
Problem is, it's not really any better than any of the 3rd party redesigns. And there's oodles of those.
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Can't. There's no possible reality you could fire that thing downwards across the length or width of the turret, except possibly down the back, but that would require the gunner to climb up and lay down on top of the turret.
The rules and points should be interesting. I can't see GW managing to make both this and the Russ useful and worth taking. (I hope for the latter, rather than the latest 'more gun' model).
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They re-designed the Leman Russ, but rather than piss people off / allow people to still use their old models and not buy the new one, they created a new tank?
That seems to be it, yeah.
Problem is, it's not really any better than any of the 3rd party redesigns. And there's oodles of those.
They re-designed the Leman Russ, but rather than piss people off / allow people to still use their old models and not buy the new one, they created a new tank?
So it is a Primaris Leman Russ!
I'm a bit on the fence about it. It is not terrible and has a lot of cool details, but I'm not a huge fan of the proportions. I think it would look better with the turret further back.
Ehhhhh, I'd really been looking forward to seeing more of this vehicle but alas, 'tis not for me.
A roided out Leman Russ is exactly what I was hoping they'd avoid even if it makes perfect sense from an in universe, lore perspective. (M3 Lee to M4 Sherman etc etc)
Soviet T35 or French C2 inspired land ships with mutiple turrets scream Warhammer to me.
More than anything else this entire release, as highly anticipated as it was hasn't come anywhere close to be as interesting as I'd hoped... and that's ok.
There are just far too many high quality and amazing designs for not Warhammer Imperial Guard out there in .stl format to ignore at this point and I suppose that this is what's finally going to get me to act on my interest!
Voss wrote: The rules and points should be interesting. I can't see GW managing to make both this and the Russ useful and worth taking. (I hope for the latter, rather than the latest 'more gun' model).
If the leaks are any measure then the Rogal Dorn is really just a Super Leman Russ that has more everything but also costs more by the same margin.
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What I find interesting is that it seems (to my personal gut feeling) that while few users here say they like all of the new models, there seems to be at least something for most of them. I'm not convinced of the Sentinels and don't dig the Infantry, but the Rough Riders and the Rogal Dorn seem nice. Maybe some of you feel the same that there are some models they like and others they don't and it all averages out to an overall successful release.
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I'm curious to see how the final reveal, the rumored Lord Solar on mecha-horse, is going to cap off this rather massive release wave. Will it be too goofy for me to enjoy? Is it going to be one of those mini-diorama character+retinue models GW has done on quite a few occasions over the past few yeas? Lady Creed got a somewhat mixed response, after all.
Pyroalchi wrote: What I find interesting is that it seems (to my personal gut feeling) that while few users here say they like all of the new models, there seems to be at least something for most of them. I'm not convinced of the Sentinels and don't dig the Infantry, but the Rough Riders and the Rogal Dorn seem nice. Maybe some of you feel the same that there are some models they like and others they don't and it all averages out to an overall successful release.
Must admit, the whole lineup has fallen quite flat for me.
But that's good, I have more than enough IG as it is.
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Historically, taking pot shots at aircraft, and if at all possible, with the gunner ducked as far down into the turret as possible, according to what little I was able to research with a quick peek.
US planners were concerned about being attacked by swarms of Stukas et al, based on the early war victories the Germans had in Europe. So they figured that putting an AA gun on every single tank would be a way to provide an extra level of protection for units, and cut down on the amount of specialized AA guns they'd need.
The pintle on the back of the turret was so a crewman or infantryman could stand on the back deck of the tank and have a better range of motion to aim the gun at extreme angles. By 1944 the alternative solution to air defense, (i.e., destroying the entire Luftwaffe on the ground and in the air) was working out so well that the AA mounts ended up being superfluous and were often removed.
Agamemnon2 wrote: I'm curious to see how the final reveal, the rumored Lord Solar on mecha-horse, is going to cap off this rather massive release wave. Will it be too goofy for me to enjoy? Is it going to be one of those mini-diorama character+retinue models GW has done on quite a few occasions over the past few yeas? Lady Creed got a somewhat mixed response, after all.
The important thing is to accept that it's going to suck no matter how it ends up looking, because it's not going to look like Saber Rider.
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Nehekhara lives! Sort of!
Why is the rum always gone?
lurch wrote: Ya now that I have seen it I'm really baffled that they didn't just make a plastic macharius. Like part of me is sure I'll get used to it but the comments about it being toy like really hit home as well as that battle cannons looking like autocanons. Also real obvious that is a 40k Sherman tank.
Forge world in general is just much better, better tanks, look at gal vorbak compared to even more modern possesed. The possesed look like a kids holloween toy the gal vorbak look serious and belonging in a war setting with demons.
Im really liking the Rogal Dorn!
To bad it looks like it will suffer from beeing hard to manouver and to low set to just keep standing somewhere. Most likely it will be trapped somewhere with the burning wreck of a lesser tank in front of it. Just like the Baneblade variants.
I will certainly get one or two
I have another regiment of IG I was working on before I took the break and started the Sisters of battle. I'm at the end of the second squad of them and their vehicles, so this will be a great pallet cleanser.
As to the Guard, They are all great until you get down to painting the 100th squad of the same uniform of the same regiment, before you have to tell yourself to slip away and keep your feet and knees together while you prepare to land.
I'll add a couple of these new tanks and some of those new artillery to the team.
Overall, I'm set on straight-leg Cadian guard, and learned to love the lash on that paint job. Not sure what to think about "Lady Creed", but I can always use her for something like a Inquisitor, or a Rogue Trader.
To you new guard players, Try different base colors on those uniforms and 1/32 ww2 equipment to your figures. That or 1/48 work great to add in a littler variety to these draining little !@#$'s. These guys are horrible to deal with after Guardsman #500.
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A bit of a letdown, but it's decently cool. The front machine guns on the bottom are dumb.
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The more I look at it the more I think that if you remove the two front mounted stubbers, and the weirdly placed top stubber, along with the sponsons, the better the tank looks. The twin battle cannon or the single cannon with Autocannon look good. No major issues with that. And the Body of the tank looks good. It's just all the copy pasted on extra guns that look silly. And sponsons on a WW2 style tank...yuck!
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