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I really don't get why people are coming up with ideas of it being an AOS model originally or having been purposefully toned down or whatever when it's clearly just meant to be a newer version of Solar Macharius' armour that just happened to have a few changes for the worse.

So, with combat patrols being 'roughly' 25 power level, in addition then looking at certain combat patrol boxes, such as GSC and sisters in regards to how many models are in the set.




I think the army box set will actually be the combat patrol



It's bound to be mostly the combat patrol, but I think it could in full, or with the field ordinance battery removed and a chimera or other tank added.

I think they'll more likely keep the new Cadians, but slot in a legacy vehicle like the LRBT to get it up to 25 Power.

It'll be nice to have an HQ in these boxes besides the commissar.

 insaniak wrote:
More Imperial...

A day late, maybe, but needs more Primaris Lieutenant...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Other than the head (face looks squished in, I feel it should be more recessed into the skid lid) I don’t think it’s a bad model as such.

It just….doesn’t fit in with 40K, let alone the more down to Earth aesthetic of the Imperial Guard.

Perhaps a darker paint palette might soften my opinion. But for now? It still looks much too Age of Sigmar for 40K. Like someone’s tried a conversion and not quite hit the grimdark mark. And given 40K is all about carefully planned design language in its ranges, it’s pretty disappointing.

In fact…this reminds me of certain Transformers from the dim and distant when before they cartoon, there was just relatively random procurement of distribution rights for various Japanese Robot toys. Whilst the cars and jets all tied in quite nicely, regardless of relative size, the likes of Skyfire/Jetfire stood out as oddities, because they came from entirely different lines (Macross I think? I know there’s a fair risk I’ll get crucified here for getting it wrong!).

That’s what this guy feels like. As if someone is trying to ape 40K, and has bought the rights to a random model to stand in as a Supreme Commander.

Does the Lord Solar Macharius miniature feel more 40k/suitable to you than this guy? I've seen people say he's alright because he's similar to Macharius, but to me the differences and way he's been done do make him feel even more fantasy, especially the lack of immediately apart 40k stuff is more noticeable.

Never really been a fan of the Macharius model myself. But, I will say even if just because of the Bolt Pistol, it’s at least instantly recognisable as a 40K model.

I remember that mancharius maidel coming out and it’s was a bit of a clash style wise as well.

I imagine that if you have a praetorian army it could be made to work.

 Polonius wrote:
I think they'll more likely keep the new Cadians, but slot in a legacy vehicle like the LRBT to get it up to 25 Power.

It'll be nice to have an HQ in these boxes besides the commissar.

It was already leaked by OK_E. The army set is the combat patrol.

OK_E wrote:The combat patrol consists of...

Cadian shock troops Field ordinance battery Armoured sentinel Cadian command squad

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
I think they'll more likely keep the new Cadians, but slot in a legacy vehicle like the LRBT to get it up to 25 Power.

It'll be nice to have an HQ in these boxes besides the commissar.

It was already leaked by OK_E. The army set is the combat patrol.

That's better than I expected, pretty good value in that case I think?

I'm holding out hope that it will include Kasrkin or a Heavy Squad in lieu of the second squad

I might hold off on the army box set if that is the case then. I'll get the combat patrol and a codex via other means, save myself some money unless the army box set is £105 ($170).

Bound to be £120 though.

I also think there's potential for it to have a Castellan instead of a command squad (command squad would be better though).

Hmm good to know. I had planned to buy 2x army box but it looks as though I can just get an army box and a combat patrol instead (though not much different since the codex in the army box likely works out as being free).

Have we got a codex leak yet? Supposedly review copies got sent out and there are rumours that someone is planning on leaking the thing in a couple of days. They are waiting on the next few waves to be sent out to make it less obvious who they are.

I don't mean MG's copy in the mail btw.

 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
Have we got a codex leak yet?

We've been getting them for a couple of weeks now. Auspex has a video for just about every batch of leaks that have come out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 AlexiusAxouchos wrote:
Have we got a codex leak yet?

We've been getting them for a couple of weeks now. Auspex has a video for just about every batch of leaks that have come out.

I know of the old leaks, that's not what I meant.

I don't know if I'd trust OK_E there, or perhaps the translation. They've seen a set in the books, often it's the combat patrol like with genestealers, could also be army starter set.
I'd be very surprised to see the release army set and combat patrol being the same.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I don't know if I'd trust OK_E there, or perhaps the translation. They've seen a set in the books, often it's the combat patrol like with genestealers, could also be army starter set.
I'd be very surprised to see the release army set and combat patrol being the same.

I'm more suspicious of the complete usability of what would be 2x the army set. With the combat patrols they seem to include something that you wouldn't want to duplicate, thus reducing the value in buying more than one. Though admittedly some of them it is just as little as single commander, the Guard Army box just seems too convenient for someone wanting an infantry heavy army. Depends on how the leaked "platoon" keyword gets used, but you'd get a platoon of infantry per box, with some non points or FOC slot intensive support. In fact even going to three CPs would get you 1x Regt Comd Squad, 2x Platoon Comd Squads, 6x Infantry squads, 3x sentinels, and 2x 3 Field guns.

On the Lord Solar alternatives, I'm talking myself into a Comd Squad based around the Elucidian Starstriders. Use the definitely absolutely not Captain Keyes as the Comd, then then two lasgun blokes as well, lasgun blokes. You've got a medic and a heavy / special weapon stand in, and finally take the lasgun guy firing his pistol and convert the left hand to be holding a banner. Their dress is sufficiently non standard / ornate to say important, and while not tied to any particular guard regt, still says Imperium of Man. Possibly also see if I can get a couple of the Navy Breachers as Kasrkin / Scion stand ins for additional "Household troops" for the Lord Solar.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:
I really don't get why people are coming up with ideas of it being an AOS model originally or having been purposefully toned down or whatever when it's clearly just meant to be a newer version of Solar Macharius' armour that just happened to have a few changes for the worse.

Primarily, its the barding on the horse. That wrap around style is on a lot of the stormcast lizard and dragon mounts, and obviously the gold breastplate with generic halos and skulls has been beaten to death in AoS, while for the Guard, the vestiges of that particular style departed the model range last century. The riding gloves and pale blue uniform are very Napoleonic, which is far closer to AoS (or even old WFB empire) than 40k. The billowing red cloak is just a wtf-shoot-me moment on the battlefield.

He just doesn't fit the existing OR updated model range, and I'd be hard pressed to think of a worse way to use an Imperial Guard command character than put him on a horse and expect him to personally stab eldritch monstrosities. The entire design philosophy of the faction and the game is out to lunch. It isn't, to me, literally a toned down AoS model. Its just that everything about the model fits that game better than this one. While there have been a lot of 'that might as well happen' models in 40k lately, this one doesn't get that much of a shrug. It really just should have been passed over in the design phase.

This is a good point guard use numbers. Large numbers of disposable infantry and the big guns. Wtf am I gona do with a human on a horse with a sword.

I'm sure they will give him good stats but he just dosent fit in. If I want a tough bruiser in the guard I will use ogrin or tanks.


They are suposed to be regular dudes not horse riding zues throwing thunderbolts.

Don't get me wrong I like the idea of regular huma ns on mutant horses DKok style just not superhuman in the guard. That's realy not there style.

Coolest part of the guard is that they are regular dudes not super humans.

Just because it's a "horde" army doesn't mean they can't have ANY impressive stand-out heroes. This guy is supposed to be the the top of the entire IG heap, naturally he's got all the best toys to make him a super-human. Whilst still being nothing at all compared to actual elite army heroes/characters.

"BuT mUh rEaLiSm" hello yes you are playing Warhammer 40,000. Space George Washington leading from the front makes just as much sense as any other special character in a 2000 point game leading a handful of soldiers. It's even consistent within the setting and faction, why would Creed or Yarrick be in the thick of things either?

Cool I'm glad you like him. I don't. I likes my guard to be normal dudes against the horror of 40k.

 RustyNumber wrote:
Just because it's a "horde" army doesn't mean they can't have ANY impressive stand-out heroes. This guy is supposed to be the the top of the entire IG heap, naturally he's got all the best toys to make him a super-human. Whilst still being nothing at all compared to actual elite army heroes/characters.

"BuT mUh rEaLiSm" hello yes you are playing Warhammer 40,000. Space George Washington leading from the front makes just as much sense as any other special character in a 2000 point game leading a handful of soldiers. It's even consistent within the setting and faction, why would Creed or Yarrick be in the thick of things either?

It isn't even a "muh realism" thing that makes this mini something I don't enjoy... it just doesn't fit. At all. With Daemon Primarchs, Bobby G, or other named characters for the various factions/Chapters/ect, they have design elements that link them to what they are leading while still being unique.

A human with a sword doesn't bother me in 40k, and I am not bothered at all by Rough Riders, or the silliness of a bayonet in 40k. I just wish there was a few more design elements to tie this mini into the new Cadians while still keeping that aloof and distant look.

Boosykes wrote:
Cool I'm glad you like him. I don't. I likes my guard to be normal dudes against the horror of 40k.

I feel the same way, so have never used a named special character in any game. It's not "my guys" if a named SC is there with them. Some people like SCs, some don't.

Issues people have with the aesthetics, well I understand that. I have to say it would make more sense and more of a "complete" unit if the guy could take an elite cavalry bodyguard of 4 models or something with similar aesthetics, rather than one dude on horse amongst tanks and footsloggers.

I think where this model fails as a 40K model is that it is very steampunk without being metal.

Where is the hard edge or brutality?
Where is the craziness that is 40K?

He's a guy with a sword, a pistol, and a mechanical horse. He would fit in just as well in AOS as 40K.

 RustyNumber wrote:

Boosykes wrote:
Cool I'm glad you like him. I don't. I likes my guard to be normal dudes against the horror of 40k.

I feel the same way, so have never used a named special character in any game. It's not "my guys" if a named SC is there with them. Some people like SCs, some don't.

Issues people have with the aesthetics, well I understand that. I have to say it would make more sense and more of a "complete" unit if the guy could take an elite cavalry bodyguard of 4 models or something with similar aesthetics, rather than one dude on horse amongst tanks and footsloggers.

I like your point of view.

I love him, he's a great model and it's not Krieg.

I think I dislike the face sculpt on the Lord Solar most, he looks like he's unsure and thinking "How did I wind up here? Maybe if I hold my sword up something epic will happen." I also think the paint scheme is unappealing to me. Horse head is to round and chubby, legs are too smooth and boring. The faux shinguards don't make sense to me, just make the base plating of the front of the legs the armor rather than bolting more armor on. As I look at the model in detail I see a lot of bit's I like, but I would have painted them more grimdark instead of something that looks like it just jumped off a carosel ride.

As I think back that was probably my first reaction, a merry go round horse. I also don't like the barding. Way too thick and blocky, or at least I don't like the front shape. Then there's the issue that most guard units don't loom like this, except scions maybe and crusaders (presuming they aren't gone in new codex).

Head swap, totaly different paint scheme, and some other customizations, I could maybe find a way to like it, but the picture it looks like a model from an Army other than guard unless you had made a romanesque guard army already.


I have to admit this variant made me chuckle, and the version with Severina is cool as well. I'd definately customize the daylights out of this if I got one.

I may pick up at least 2 of the lord solar so I can scavenge that base. A wrecked chaos reaver head is amazing to use for basing a Knight or Imperial Titan

Can I ask what the rationale is behind buying two expensive kits (where you don't seem to want the actual unit) in an age where 3D prints are ubiquitous, and very affordable even if you have to commission the print. (That being said, a 5 minute search has only turned up a free file of a wrecked imperial knight base piece, nothing chaos specific.)

 RustyNumber wrote:
Just because it's a "horde" army doesn't mean they can't have ANY impressive stand-out heroes. This guy is supposed to be the the top of the entire IG heap, naturally he's got all the best toys to make him a super-human. Whilst still being nothing at all compared to actual elite army heroes/characters.

"BuT mUh rEaLiSm" hello yes you are playing Warhammer 40,000. Space George Washington leading from the front makes just as much sense as any other special character in a 2000 point game leading a handful of soldiers. It's even consistent within the setting and faction, why would Creed or Yarrick be in the thick of things either?

We could argue that in a universe of shape-shifting assassins, teleporters, drop pods, and dimensional rifts that there is no such thing as a front line or a safe rear line for commanders. They have to be ready to jump up and grab a sword at any moment as the webway porthole/daemonic summoning/mechanical drills let the enemy strike right in the heart of HQ.

(Heck in the real world, guerilla wars since the Chinese Civil War and Vietnam have almost obliterated the notion of a front line)

Which does not make Lord Solar Horsey Rider a good model, but just says that there's no sane ground for saying he'd never be in battle.

Voss wrote:
The entire design philosophy of the faction and the game is out to lunch.

To be entirely honest here I do feel like that design philosophy is undergoing a change, at least as far as the faction is concerned: we are getting a kind of "Primaris Guard" with this new Aspect Warrior unit setup but where Primaris Marines initially tried to touch into tacticool, the Primaris Guard is trying to bring back the RT-era weirdness with a super-heavy WW2 (/Western Allies) tone for the historical crowd. In that regard, the Lord Solar is kind of fitting.

 RustyNumber wrote:
Can I ask what the rationale is behind buying two expensive kits (where you don't seem to want the actual unit) in an age where 3D prints are ubiquitous, and very affordable even if you have to commission the print. (That being said, a 5 minute search has only turned up a free file of a wrecked imperial knight base piece, nothing chaos specific.)

Two because I want a Lord Solar for my guard, and the second to scavenge for parts. I do like the model, have the money, so choose to buy it rather than a knockoff. My 3D printer time and interest is generally for AT terrain and Fallout WW. I expect that this thought process will make me into a "consoomer" as far as some people here go but meh.

I'm also hoping for a complete plastic titan if they are going to tease parts like this.