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 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I don't get it, where's the new regiment?
I see a Mordian, a Tallarn, a Solar and what seems to be a Tanith?

That's new design for the Tallarn.

Not Solar for the other. Indigan Prefects. They're hiveworlders.

Anybody notice the sergeant with bandolier standing next to the commissar? I'm wondering what his role and loadout will be exactly.

Bureau Gnome wrote:
Anybody notice the sergeant with bandolier standing next to the commissar? I'm wondering what his role and loadout will be exactly.

Belt-fed variant of the new auto gun for sergeants.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 vipoid wrote:
Advanced Eldar anti-tank weapon:
36" Heavy 1 S8 AP-4 D1d3+3

Primitive human anti-tank weapon:
48" Heavy 2 S10 AP-4 D1d3+3


Did Eldar skip the Industrial Revolution or something?

The Eldar weapon is more elegant. And subtle. Unlike the crude and destructive human gun.

I'm reminded of early in WW2 when German soldiers scathingly nicknamed their anti-tank guns "Door Knockers". The reason was that they couldn't actually penetrate the armour of many allied tanks, but they'd give them a little knock to let them know the Germans were around.

Yeah, looks like he might just be an assembly option for autogun sergeants, like the one on Pg.96

 xttz wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New kit overpowered? Like da flyers? Tau flyers? Mork/gorkanaut? Primaris line?

Nice myth you keep spreading

You're denying it has happened though. I mean, we had literal proof of the example with Wraithknights. Sometimes GW thinks their unit might actually be broken too with how they choose to play as well.

To pretend they've actually changed because they have social media now is just denial.

The original source of that rumour literally said that the sales manager responsible for the decision had since left GW, and that they hadn't heard of anything similar happening after that.

Funny how people don't quote that part of it though.

Except it HAS happened since, or do you think it's just a coincidence how finely tuned Votaan were?
One guy leaving does not mean the attitude left. GW would be able to sell you beachfront property in Arizona.


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Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New kit overpowered? Like da flyers? Tau flyers? Mork/gorkanaut? Primaris line?

Nice myth you keep spreading

You're denying it has happened though. I mean, we had literal proof of the example with Wraithknights. Sometimes GW thinks their unit might actually be broken too with how they choose to play as well.

To pretend they've actually changed because they have social media now is just denial.

The claim was that all new kits are overpowered, plenty of evidence to show that they're not. Some are, but it's not a high enough % to suggest it's intentional.

Edit: I'm aware of the wraithknight thing, I know that will happen sometimes as well, but all that management team are gone as far as we know.

50% is intentional

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 xttz wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New kit overpowered? Like da flyers? Tau flyers? Mork/gorkanaut? Primaris line?

Nice myth you keep spreading

You're denying it has happened though. I mean, we had literal proof of the example with Wraithknights. Sometimes GW thinks their unit might actually be broken too with how they choose to play as well.

To pretend they've actually changed because they have social media now is just denial.

The original source of that rumour literally said that the sales manager responsible for the decision had since left GW, and that they hadn't heard of anything similar happening after that.

Funny how people don't quote that part of it though.

Except it HAS happened since, or do you think it's just a coincidence how finely tuned Votaan were?
One guy leaving does not mean the attitude left. GW would be able to sell you beachfront property in Arizona.


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Dudeface wrote:

EviscerationPlague wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
New kit overpowered? Like da flyers? Tau flyers? Mork/gorkanaut? Primaris line?

Nice myth you keep spreading

You're denying it has happened though. I mean, we had literal proof of the example with Wraithknights. Sometimes GW thinks their unit might actually be broken too with how they choose to play as well.

To pretend they've actually changed because they have social media now is just denial.

The claim was that all new kits are overpowered, plenty of evidence to show that they're not. Some are, but it's not a high enough % to suggest it's intentional.

Edit: I'm aware of the wraithknight thing, I know that will happen sometimes as well, but all that management team are gone as far as we know.

50% is intentional

Substantiate your claims please.

Dudeface wrote:

Substantiate your claims please.

This guy is willing to cherrypick the part of a source that supports his argument while ignoring everything else from the same source that disagrees with him.

He's not here to debate in anything remotely resembling good faith. He's here because the tinfoil wrapped around his head doesn't allow rational thoughts inside.

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Substantiate your claims please.

This guy is willing to cherrypick the part of a source that supports his argument while ignoring everything else from the same source that disagrees with him.

He's not here to debate in anything remotely resembling good faith. He's here because the tinfoil wrapped around his head doesn't allow rational thoughts inside.

Ah yes, the same source that ended up leaving GW anyway? Yeah, businesses never return to old practices, as though they left to begin with.

Still want that beachfront property in Arizona?

EviscerationPlague wrote:

 xttz wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

Substantiate your claims please.

This guy is willing to cherrypick the part of a source that supports his argument while ignoring everything else from the same source that disagrees with him.

He's not here to debate in anything remotely resembling good faith. He's here because the tinfoil wrapped around his head doesn't allow rational thoughts inside.

Ah yes, the same source that ended up leaving GW anyway? Yeah, businesses never return to old practices, as though they left to begin with.

Still want that beachfront property in Arizona?

So you can't substantiate your claims, gotcha.

Removed - rule #1

Removed - rule #1

Please take your squabble to DMs if its that important.

 Flinty wrote:
Please take your squabble to DMs if its that important.

It's not really, the initial point is that they're not OP by default purely because they're new.

In more on-topic news, Sly Marbo! Trap setter extraordinaire!

Holy smokes, the commissar looks absolutely massive in that top picture.

Have they made him really big to make up for his almost total lack of character?

Also, the new sentinels are really growing on me! I might use my old, unassembled sentinels as scouts and use the new versions as armoured variants.

The trap strategem looks really fun, but is there basically any time that level of mortal wounds is worth 1cp?


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 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Holy smokes, the commissar looks absolutely massive in that top picture.

Have they made him really big to make up for his almost total lack of character?

Must be a Dan Abnett character- they are all weirdly tall.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
Holy smokes, the commissar looks absolutely massive in that top picture.

Have they made him really big to make up for his almost total lack of character?

He found himself a nice rock to stand on, which helps his height immensely. Of course we can't rule out that he is also taller than other people. GW has had instances of late where important people are inexplicably taller than the rabble around them, see Horus Heresy for instance.

I am failing to see how Parade Drill is a good thing.

2 shots for standing still, but -1 to hit if you move in your next movement phase.

Would someone please enlighten me?

 oni wrote:
I am failing to see how Parade Drill is a good thing.

2 shots for standing still, but -1 to hit if you move in your next movement phase.

Would someone please enlighten me?

Its only for that turn, your next Shooting Phase would be the one immediately following the Movement Phase you stood still in.

 oni wrote:
I am failing to see how Parade Drill is a good thing.

2 shots for standing still, but -1 to hit if you move in your next movement phase.

Would someone please enlighten me?

Two shots at full range. It promotes static defensive play with long-range shooting. Would pair well with Heirloom weapons for extra range, or with Brutal strength to regain mobility.

"Your next shooting phase" in this context is the shooting phase immediately following the movement phase where you didn't move.

It means if you don't move in the movement phase, the guns become Heavy 2 during the shooting phase that immediately follows but then goes right back to being rapid fire 1 for the subsequent charge and combat phases, in case that matters.

 Captain Joystick wrote:
"Your next shooting phase" in this context is the shooting phase immediately following the movement phase where you didn't move.

It means if you don't move in the movement phase, the guns become Heavy 2 during the shooting phase that immediately follows but then goes right back to being rapid fire 1 for the subsequent charge and combat phases, in case that matters.

Oh yeah, which means no synergy with Brutal strength. Heirloom weapons it is.

Dudeface wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:

Not from a balance point of view, it's just a stupid concept that these guys are carrying 3-4 different weapons and somehow managing to swap between a two-handed rifle and a lance in the middle of a charge.

What you are failing to grasp with this last point is that this game is abstract. It is also not a wargame. These are game pieces that people give attributes to.

Where does the 12ft melta lance go while they fire an assault rifle 2 handed whilst riding horses at full pelt?

Ask the Magyars

Leaks show FRFSRF as giving lasguns Heavy 3 (no conditions mentioned). Would be a shame if true and it makes Parade Drill irrelevant.

 Flinty wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
The better question is how are they switching from frag to melta Lance's on the fly?

Alternatively, in reality there is only one charge on the end of the lance, and the choice between frag and melta effects is just a rules convenience. Yes, the player could conceivably go for melta effect on a light infantry target, when the frag effect would better reflect the real life impact of a big explodey thing capable of smashing through heavy tank armour. But why would they want to?

We can abstract a frag charge as a melta charge, but meanwhile having a box mag rather than a sickle mag for your boltgun requires a separation of rules and models...

Perhaps. In which case "Next" should not be in the sentence if the effect is intended to expire in the following phase.

I've seen rules use "Until the end of the next [...] Phase", typically meaning the effect would expire in your opponent turn or if the effect was trigger in your opponent's turn it would expire in your turn. I cannot think of an instance where an effect that triggers in your turn with the verbiage "your next [...] phase" didn't mean in the subsequent game round.

 oni wrote:
Perhaps. In which case "Next" should not be in the sentence if the effect is intended to expire in the following phase.

I've seen rules use "Until the end of the next [...] Phase", typically meaning the effect would expire in your opponent turn or if the effect was trigger in your opponent's turn it would expire in your turn. I cannot think of an instance where an effect that triggers in your turn with the verbiage "your next [...] phase" didn't mean in the subsequent game round.

I can see where the confusion comes from, since some stratagems do like to say an effect lasts until the start of your next phase of whatever type the stratagem goes off in in order to indicate it lasts an entire battle round from the trigger point - but this is more like simple rapid actions such as the Stormsurge's stabilizing anchors - those start doing the action at the start of the movement phase and complete successfully when the shooting phase rolls around so long as they aren't interrupted by the stormsurge moving (or something happening in the Tau psychic phase... somehow.)

This just in from Mordian Glory on his Discord server:

Hammer of the Emperor is gone.


But returns under a different name as a regimental doctrine that takes up the place of 2 doctrines.
6s on the hit roll will still auto wound, but those also count as 6s for the wound roll, so essentially Snipers with bonuses for 6s on the wound roll will get them when Hammer of The Emperor procs.
Overall, MG feels that this will be less important as we get fewer # of attacks overall and that regimental doctrines are better.

I know that GW wants to highlight the new kits so we all go FOMO next week, but I find ironic that in the article that talks about how the new codex will allow for mixed regiments there are only nu-Cadians in sight. One would think that they could have used some Scions, or Krieg on the background.

M.