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Well we now need some of the regular Cadians to be randomly be bigger and require 32mm bases. Because they're the guys that might one day become kasrkins.


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 Lord Damocles wrote:
I like how we've now arrived at 'Kasrkin are so elite that they're just bigger than other Cadians who were already super elite, able to strip as lasgun before they can walk, defenders of the Gate, famed across the galaxy, etc.'

Primaris Cadians if you will

They're not on 32mm bases.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 OldMate wrote:
Ugh 32mm bases and much bigger kasrkins? Gross. It does imply now that the force is recruiting on size and not merit.

Size and merit are the same thing in GW land, look at Warcry, fighters on the same sprue are sized differently based on their rank.

Well that could kinda be made to make sense in Age of Sigmar. And in Chaos forces in 40k. Its the physical effects of the favor of their god.

But recruiting regular sized guys and then your elite corp apparently drawn from those guys being a full foot taller, and bigger in every proportion is a bit suspicious. Like they're undergoing some kind of pseudo astates style augmetation.

Well, Yarrick confirmed to be dead.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
They're the "best unaugmented soldiers" that humanity has at its disposal.

Tempestus Scions: "Am I a joke to you?"

IIRC they are described as among the best unaugmented soldiers in the KT booklet, not THE best.

 Crimson wrote:
They're not on 32mm bases.

The kill team guys come with 32mm bases and are a foot bigger than everyone else. Well half a head. But as it is in all dimensions including their guns and grenades its pretty frickin considerable. And to me its pretty frickin visually jarring.

 OldMate wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
They're not on 32mm bases.

The kill team guys come with 32mm bases and are a foot bigger than everyone else.

Nope. They're on 28,5mm bases.

The new ones. Go figure. Who needs standardisation?

 OldMate wrote:
The new ones. Go figure. Who needs standardisation?

They have existed for years now. All the newer Eldar infantry is on them.

Yeah they're not 32mm bases. The Kill Team box comes with 32mm bases, but those are for Necrons, not the Kasrkins.

Back on page 74 there a couple photos which show the new Kasrkin are pretty much in sync with the old metal ones. So them being bigger than standard Cadians has been a thing for a while now.

I should bring out my custom Stormtroopers that were built off the previous generation of Cadians and compare them to the metal Kasrkins

 OldMate wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
They're not on 32mm bases.

The kill team guys come with 32mm bases and are a foot bigger than everyone else. Well half a head. But as it is in all dimensions including their guns and grenades its pretty frickin considerable. And to me its pretty frickin visually jarring.

The KT guys do not come with 32mm bases. They're on 28mm bases, same as the new Cadian Command Squads.

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Back on page 74 there a couple photos which show the new Kasrkin are pretty much in sync with the old metal ones. So them being bigger than standard Cadians has been a thing for a while now.

That's only true of the sergeant, which is a whole head taller than every other Karskin.

All the other kasrkin minis were as tall as the rest of the contemporary IG minis, and exactly as tall as the older stormtroopers:



So, no, it's not been a thing for a while, unless you only use sergeants for your kasrkin.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Well, Yarrick confirmed to be dead.

Spoiler:

About time. He was old and came out of retirement during the 2nd War for Armageddon. It's better to let characters die and beome history and legend than to drag them through the evolving background. It was annoying to see Kryptman coming back after he was described old in the times of the first Tyrannic War as well.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Dawnbringer wrote:
Back on page 74 there a couple photos which show the new Kasrkin are pretty much in sync with the old metal ones. So them being bigger than standard Cadians has been a thing for a while now.

That's only true of the sergeant, which is a whole head taller than every other Karskin.

All the other kasrkin minis were as tall as the rest of the contemporary IG minis, and exactly as tall as the older stormtroopers:



So, no, it's not been a thing for a while, unless you only use sergeants for your kasrkin.

And the sergeant is taller and not bigger in every dimension. I.e his gun looks pretty proportional next to another guardsmen's he is not carrying a whole 10% of bulk on his entire body.
In other words they made him a bigger human being, they didn't and could not just get a kasrkin model in blender and make it 10% bigger than a regular trooper.
Which is why the new ones are so visually jarring next to their regular counterparts.
To fix it all you'd need to do is scale that model down 10%. But the molds are made and the initial run of models produced now so its too frickin late.

I mean i want to like the new models, the cadians look great, the kasrkins look great but their size is a step backwards. The fact that the kasrkin are now incompatible not just with the exisiting kits but with the cadians they are meant to be intergrated with is just trademark stupidity.

The new sentinel is cool, but the armoured one is very much a battle walker and not a recon vehicle in layout and design, not necessarily a bad thing, just interesting. Its essentially a sidegrade from the old armoured sentinel model. I the new sentinel kit is a win especially as beside the old ones it will look cool, more armoued, more sophisticated legs/feet.

The new tank is a cool idea, but it fill a niche occupied by 2 very nice but completely garbage rules wise resin models from forgeworld. It is seemingly a victim of power creep and brings a decadently large arsenal to a game where power levels are sorta soaring out of control.

The field weapons look good. I like the concept, towed heavy weapons for the guard have always made sense but the models are not even out and there is much nicer resin models now on the market that pin down that slammin forgeworld asthetic. Which to me, being an Australian will probably end up being cheaper, or like $10 dearer.

The kasrkin heads do also look bigger, though... those might fit better with the old cadians.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 OldMate wrote:
Ugh 32mm bases and much bigger kasrkins? Gross. It does imply now that the force is recruiting on size and not merit.

Size and merit are the same thing in GW land, look at Warcry, fighters on the same sprue are sized differently based on their rank.

Somebody tell GW that IG are not Orks.

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 OldMate wrote:
Ugh 32mm bases and much bigger kasrkins? Gross. It does imply now that the force is recruiting on size and not merit.

Size and merit are the same thing in GW land, look at Warcry, fighters on the same sprue are sized differently based on their rank.

Somebody tell GW that IG are not Orks.

M.

GW has been doing the size = rank thing for awhile now

Apparently everyone in the 40k universe has Ork genetics, looks like they might be doing more than just fight'n n loot'n

I still can't get over those knee pads haha premium products indeed

Stormtroopers no longer have keyword regiment, which means they do not get doctrines. UGH.

Goose LeChance wrote:


I still can't get over those knee pads haha premium products indeed

What particularly is it about the knee pads? The fact that there are no visible straps or means of support?

If so, while it looks strange, the new Royal Marines combat uniform made by Crye Precision does indeed utilise removable kneepads (sold separately!).

https://www.cryeprecision.com/ProductDetail/aprcpx0232r_g4-temperate-shell-combat-pant

https://www.cryeprecision.com/ProductDetail/padkc301000_airflex-combat-knee-pads


I only realised when I saw a Royal the other day wearing the trousers with the kneepad sockets empty. Seeing as I'm not a Royal, I still have to make do with my issued Blackhawk kneepads should I get into a situation I'd rather not be in.

General Hobbs wrote:


Stormtroopers no longer have keyword regiment, which means they do not get doctrines. UGH.

Got to push those Kasrkin.

M.

 alphaecho wrote:


What particularly is it about the knee pads? The fact that there are no visible straps or means of support?

If so, while it looks strange, the new Royal Marines combat uniform made by Crye Precision does indeed utilise removable kneepads (sold separately!).

Yeah, no support straps look strange, plus the lack of detail makes it look like someone flattened two blobs of green stuff and said "good enough". The pant folds/shape aren't very good either, overall everything looks cute and cartoonish.

The soft baby faces don't help. I think the old guardsmen look much more realistic and gritty (besides the squat proportions)

General Hobbs wrote:


Stormtroopers no longer have keyword regiment, which means they do not get doctrines. UGH.

They don't, but they get their own rule (exploding 6s on all shooting) and hot shots are better, so it isn't exactly nothing.

 alphaecho wrote:
Crye Precision

Nothing else about their uniform looks like a high-speed-low-drag Crye-laden modern operator, though. Their design is otherwise very 80s/90s, carrying a mid-20th-century styled rifle, and then they've got modern integral kneepads. It doesn't strike me as a deliberate anachronism so much as a last-minute addition. Personally, if I pick up any of the new Cadians, I'll probably be carving those kneepads off.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Well, Yarrick confirmed to be dead.

Spoiler:

About time. He was old and came out of retirement during the 2nd War for Armageddon. It's better to let characters die and beome history and legend than to drag them through the evolving background. It was annoying to see Kryptman coming back after he was described old in the times of the first Tyrannic War as well.

I've always been one who prefers characters don't die off, at least in the context of a wargaming setting.

But I'm also one of those people who doesn't think the universe needs to be moving forward.

An alternative is to expand elsewhere in the universe, and if GW didn't want to sell Yarrick any more they could have just done that without actually killing him and then if in 10 years they decide they want to do another Yarrick model they bring him back out again.

 catbarf wrote:

 alphaecho wrote:
Crye Precision

Nothing else about their uniform looks like a high-speed-low-drag Crye-laden modern operator, though. Their design is otherwise very 80s/90s, carrying a mid-20th-century styled rifle, and then they've got modern integral kneepads. It doesn't strike me as a deliberate anachronism so much as a last-minute addition. Personally, if I pick up any of the new Cadians, I'll probably be carving those kneepads off.

I wouldn't expect 40K uniforms to be sleek and practical.

It's more that integrated kneepads with no visible straps are a thing now. It's not something that a GW designer has made up. Whether or not they've modelled it well is a whole other subjective matter.

As long as Dredd's uniform isn't updated. I'd miss his oversized protective bits and bobs.

If they move the setting forward in time some charactersshould die off,
New karsikin are to big and suck because of it.
New lord solar sucks.
The rest look good for cadians.

 OldMate wrote:
Well that could kinda be made to make sense in Age of Sigmar. And in Chaos forces in 40k. Its the physical effects of the favor of their god.

I thought the favor of the gods materialized as pinheads and flatulence?

Warcry warbands are supposed to be regular tribesmen who have yet to gain the attention of the gods, let alone any favor. Personally I'd go with HBMC's explanation:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Or it's just another poorly scaled set of miniatures from a company with an increasingly... let's say "casual" approach to design.

I've remarked on this before, but I'm not getting the impression that GW's design team has much in the way of managerial oversight or anybody whose job is to enforce consistency.

They're also in the process of transitioning their model style from more to less heroic proportions, especially with the heads becoming far smaller, which seems to be an ongoing process in which finished work is not revised. For instance, when the latest Chaos Terminators were released, they managed to make the traditional anatomy problem of Terminators even worse while we got far improved power armored models at the same time. It didn't look like the Terminators were designed at the same time and were just earlier sculpts whose release was held back.

I'm not getting the impression that GW is bothered by models being out of whack, and I don't think we should give them the benefit of the doubt that there is some fluff that explains discrepancies.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Spoiler:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:
Well, Yarrick confirmed to be dead.

About time. He was old and came out of retirement during the 2nd War for Armageddon. It's better to let characters die and beome history and legend than to drag them through the evolving background. It was annoying to see Kryptman coming back after he was described old in the times of the first Tyrannic War as well.

I've always been one who prefers characters don't die off, at least in the context of a wargaming setting.

But I'm also one of those people who doesn't think the universe needs to be moving forward.

An alternative is to expand elsewhere in the universe, and if GW didn't want to sell Yarrick any more they could have just done that without actually killing him and then if in 10 years they decide they want to do another Yarrick model they bring him back out again.

They committed to transforming the setting into an ongoing story, so they kind of have to deal with the passing of time now. They could make old dudes live forever by just not mentioning them anymore, but they'd run into the problem that the ongoing narrative approach sets expectations and fans would want to know what's going on with all the characters.

I doubt they'll have any trouble with Yarrick going forward even if they want to bring him back. He'll just be a new sculpt of a historical character and gets that commemorative series label on his box. Or they do the same they did with Old Creed and just make New Creed who is like Old Creed but isn't actually Old Creed. Or they go the AoS route and say that something so trifling as dying during the end of the world isn't going to stop anyone from popping up again. Or retconning his death to be a rumor or propaganda tool.

With the timeline having moved forward the way it did, anybody expecting Yarrick to still be around was fooling himself. He was old by the time of the 3rd War For Armageddon, and that was over 100 years ago by the current point in time.

They could still have kept his rules around thoough - "historical characters" were a thing before. GW chose not to, and this sucks for everybody who owns the model. Sadly this is GW of today...