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chaos0xomega wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Rumors on sisters drops:

Seraphim -> 12ppm
Zephyrim -> 15ppm
Sacresants -> 15ppm
Celestians -> 12ppm

Oh, yeah if that's all. Zephyrim are going to be EVERYONE'S problem now but other than that those are all fair or maybe even less than you need.

those aren't the only changes, just the only ones my source would tell me

...Maybe they saw something in playtesting? Many Sisters lists really like having pregame CP, but it's not strictly necessary in every matchup. The list that won that big GT only had 1 additional relic.
He brought the Blade of ST. Estalia, Double Hymn relic, and Morvenn's WT. Realistically we could have cut that down to just Morvenn's WT and not lost too much.

Dropping Seraphim, Zephyrim, and Sacresants gives lists a little bit of wiggle room while Celestians were just inarguably overpriced. Going too far beyond that seems risky. UNLESS they're hitting repentia (reasonable, if unfortunate) at which point these are mostly just going to offset that bump.

So with the mention of ork buffs, does anyone have the actual points/rules?

It feels like it is going to be very hard to maintain a set of coherent points costs for more casual meet up games in stores when how Command Points work is so fundamentally different between the main game and tournament play.

GW needs to accept that you can't really do that I think - either the matched play rules have to be universal or they don't.

GW doesn't consider CP's in point costs anyway.

tneva82 wrote:
GW doesn't consider CP's in point costs anyway.

No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

 The Phazer wrote:
It feels like it is going to be very hard to maintain a set of coherent points costs for more casual meet up games in stores when how Command Points work is so fundamentally different between the main game and tournament play.

GW needs to accept that you can't really do that I think - either the matched play rules have to be universal or they don't.

They have, this is the grand tournament mission pack, you use base matched play rules otherwise. not to "blame the playerbase" but it's the community deciding every pick up game is a tournament match. Regards points they shouldn't alter too much as others noted.

Both Crons and Orks desperately need buffs, not only on points but also rules wise.

They have suffered as any other army the AoC as they rely on saturation of low ap.

Comparing Ork boys, grot or snaggas to any other basic troop in the game is kind of a joke. As long as saves are high and #wounds keep increasing, massed attacks will keep dropping in efficiency. Bad times.

Crons have a similar problem. Their basic troops don't cut the chase.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
GW doesn't consider CP's in point costs anyway.

No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

The same applies to many Superheavy units. Even with the detachment bonus they added it's still 1CP to add a unit to your army that often isn't strong enough to compensate for the fact it's a huge vulnerable target.

However I suspect the fact that these costs exist has nothing to do with balance and more to do with GW wanting to actively discourage skew lists with lots of large 'rare' units, much like they now discourage hordes by hiking the base model cost and adding mediocre buffs.

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
Both Crons and Orks desperately need buffs, not only on points but also rules wise.

They have suffered as any other army the AoC as they rely on saturation of low ap.

Comparing Ork boys, grot or snaggas to any other basic troop in the game is kind of a joke. As long as saves are high and #wounds keep increasing, massed attacks will keep dropping in efficiency. Bad times.

Crons have a similar problem. Their basic troops don't cut the chase.

Increase durability not offensive power though, how would a 10 point T4 2w Ork feel? Likewise if Dakka weapons gained the assault runes for advance and fire, then make choppas ap value always apply and never be modified, or any combo of the above. Sadly no big rules changes will likely happen until another codex.

Dudeface wrote:

Orkimedez_Atalaya wrote:
Both Crons and Orks desperately need buffs, not only on points but also rules wise.

They have suffered as any other army the AoC as they rely on saturation of low ap.

Comparing Ork boys, grot or snaggas to any other basic troop in the game is kind of a joke. As long as saves are high and #wounds keep increasing, massed attacks will keep dropping in efficiency. Bad times.

Crons have a similar problem. Their basic troops don't cut the chase.

Increase durability not offensive power though, how would a 10 point T4 2w Ork feel? Likewise if Dakka weapons gained the assault runes for advance and fire, then make choppas ap value always apply and never be modified, or any combo of the above. Sadly no big rules changes will likely happen until another codex.

I am afraid they suffer from both as they are correlated. If other stuff(AoC) becomes more resilient, you kill less therefore the next turn you receive the reply from a larger portion of your opponents army. That in turns reduces your durability.
Orks have two very straight ways of playing. AoR with buggies, or melee oriented. Buggies are having a hard time since their anti-tank bounces with -2ap from marine armour. CC does a little better but after waagh 1st turn, looses steam like crazy.

 xttz wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
GW doesn't consider CP's in point costs anyway.

No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

The same applies to many Superheavy units. Even with the detachment bonus they added it's still 1CP to add a unit to your army that often isn't strong enough to compensate for the fact it's a huge vulnerable target.

However I suspect the fact that these costs exist has nothing to do with balance and more to do with GW wanting to actively discourage skew lists with lots of large 'rare' units, much like they now discourage hordes by hiking the base model cost and adding mediocre buffs.

The LoW limitation is because gw doesn't want anyone fielding multiple LoWs besides Knights. Martial Legacy is different because it only applies to certain "rare" Astartes units, while ignoring many other rare units that exist. It also assumes that all of those in units are equally "rare" for all Astartes, so you get the weird situation where a HH era tank is just as easy for a new Primaris founding loyalist chapter to field as a warband of Iron Warriors that can still remember the Siege of Terra. It's a poorly implemented and arbitrary rule.

Preorder goes up coming Saturday. Has GW mentioned it they'll release the points pdf then as well?

Us3Less wrote:
Preorder goes up coming Saturday. Has GW mentioned it they'll release the points pdf then as well?

I'd expect a preview article sometime this week with a nugget in.

Ah, good. Almost time to get it over with and see if the various leaks were true. And to see if free digital points means that they'll do a better/more up to date job on them, or if they'll just be free/digital, with the same poor balance based off of months old metas.

Well whatever they are remember goal isn't balance. Just change what's imbalanced

Us3Less wrote:
Preorder goes up coming Saturday. Has GW mentioned it they'll release the points pdf then as well?

I doubt the points PDF goes up alongside the pre-order - I'd lean towards the day before the actual release for that (so a week on Friday).

Article and Nid discord say new missions.

RRP is apparently £17.50, which should be roughly $30 USD

That would be 10 pounds less than the Nachmund books, which is actually quite reasonable. A rarity for GW! Hopefully this change was caused by the poor sales results of the previous CA and negative feedback on it. At least that'd mean we have some form of influence over GW's output.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

I like how you latch onto simple point efficiency ignoring the other, far more valid point, namely rules interactions with units far more durable and shooty than things they were designed with. For example, Iron Hands in 8th so many people with little clue screamed were ""OP"" - when the actual broken "IH" lists were all full of FW gak, contemptor and leviathan spam for weeks, with zero actual, Codex, plastic IH units on table. Well, maybe there was a token techmarine to fill HQ slot and repair dreads, plus throwaway Intercessor unit to dump AT shots targeting dreads onto with stratagem. Besides that, it was 95% points in ""totes not OP"" resin units abusing IH trait interaction.

And the best part was GW's reaction to the problem - instead of tagging broken FW gak with nerf hammer, they destroyed IH rules instead ruining them for people who used actual IH plastic armies instead of bringing cherrypicked WAAAC resin recast dump. IH trait was not problematic with box dreads with at worst two lascannon and one missile shot. That unit could be removed easily even with FNP. It was completely different story with insanely durable brick with 2+, ++, +++, and more wounds than any three other SM units put together and zillion autocannon shots (with 2+ BS because FRAK YOU) that was insanely efficient when it came to buffing, stratagems, and inability to remove it from table before it was healed to full. And that's even if we generously assume it was, like you say, ""overpriced"" (which is nonsense but clearly shows raw points are only a very tiny piece of actual picture).

It took GW long enough but what we have now is vastly preferable and more balanced than the gak that was 8th (and first 1/3 of 9th) where you had zero incentive to use actual SM/CSM units and could just spam whatever was most OP from FW stuff. Now the rules abuse has actual, tangible drawbacks and results in armies that started to resemble fluff a bit more than insane concentrations of stuff that would make even HH legions stare in disbelief, never mind factions in 40K for whom these are priceless, irreplaceable relics.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
so you get the weird situation where a HH era tank is just as easy for a new Primaris founding loyalist chapter to field as a warband of Iron Warriors that can still remember the Siege of Terra

Yep, I have no idea why 10.000 old Admech character second only to Martian High Lord/Fabricator General in faction importance might have access to said tanks, and give them to his pet creation. It's inconceivably less likely than IW (who lost all their gear running from Terra, then lost whatever remained in Scouring, then lost even more in huge blame shift CSM wars in Eye that followed, then finally ruined whatever scraps they had left when Perturabo ordered ruinous IW civil war out of boredom) having them. And that is literally the only CSM legion that actually knew how the stuff worked and had the knowledge base to maintain such vehicles unlike the other psychopaths who ran out on Terra and since then had to loot single bolter shells and armor gloves off dead enemies as they are incapable of producing even most basic pieces of wargear and need to resort to putting daemons in crude machines that only work due to warp frakkery in order to have any semblance of working heavy support.

Oh wait

 Irbis wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

I like how you latch onto simple point efficiency ignoring the other, far more valid point, namely rules interactions with units far more durable and shooty than things they were designed with. For example, Iron Hands in 8th so many people with little clue screamed were ""OP"" - when the actual broken "IH" lists were all full of FW gak, contemptor and leviathan spam for weeks, with zero actual, Codex, plastic IH units on table. Well, maybe there was a token techmarine to fill HQ slot and repair dreads, plus throwaway Intercessor unit to dump AT shots targeting dreads onto with stratagem. Besides that, it was 95% points in ""totes not OP"" resin units abusing IH trait interaction.

And the best part was GW's reaction to the problem - instead of tagging broken FW gak with nerf hammer, they destroyed IH rules instead ruining them for people who used actual IH plastic armies instead of bringing cherrypicked WAAAC resin recast dump. IH trait was not problematic with box dreads with at worst two lascannon and one missile shot. That unit could be removed easily even with FNP. It was completely different story with insanely durable brick with 2+, ++, +++, and more wounds than any three other SM units put together and zillion autocannon shots (with 2+ BS because FRAK YOU) that was insanely efficient when it came to buffing, stratagems, and inability to remove it from table before it was healed to full. And that's even if we generously assume it was, like you say, ""overpriced"" (which is nonsense but clearly shows raw points are only a very tiny piece of actual picture).

It took GW long enough but what we have now is vastly preferable and more balanced than the gak that was 8th (and first 1/3 of 9th) where you had zero incentive to use actual SM/CSM units and could just spam whatever was most OP from FW stuff. Now the rules abuse has actual, tangible drawbacks and results in armies that started to resemble fluff a bit more than insane concentrations of stuff that would make even HH legions stare in disbelief, never mind factions in 40K for whom these are priceless, irreplaceable relics.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
so you get the weird situation where a HH era tank is just as easy for a new Primaris founding loyalist chapter to field as a warband of Iron Warriors that can still remember the Siege of Terra

Yep, I have no idea why 10.000 old Admech character second only to Martian High Lord/Fabricator General in faction importance might have access to said tanks, and give them to his pet creation. It's inconceivably less likely than IW (who lost all their gear running from Terra, then lost whatever remained in Scouring, then lost even more in huge blame shift CSM wars in Eye that followed, then finally ruined whatever scraps they had left when Perturabo ordered ruinous IW civil war out of boredom) having them. And that is literally the only CSM legion that actually knew how the stuff worked and had the knowledge base to maintain such vehicles unlike the other psychopaths who ran out on Terra and since then had to loot single bolter shells and armor gloves off dead enemies as they are incapable of producing even most basic pieces of wargear and need to resort to putting daemons in crude machines that only work due to warp frakkery in order to have any semblance of working heavy support.

Oh wait

that first paragraph is incorrect. double repulsor executioner was as common and roughly as good as the leviathan lists.

There's also the air force lists with stormhawks/talons (I forget which one specifically) clustering around the iron father.

Individual CSM chapters getting their own secondaries:

ERJAK wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

I like how you latch onto simple point efficiency ignoring the other, far more valid point, namely rules interactions with units far more durable and shooty than things they were designed with. For example, Iron Hands in 8th so many people with little clue screamed were ""OP"" - when the actual broken "IH" lists were all full of FW gak, contemptor and leviathan spam for weeks, with zero actual, Codex, plastic IH units on table. Well, maybe there was a token techmarine to fill HQ slot and repair dreads, plus throwaway Intercessor unit to dump AT shots targeting dreads onto with stratagem. Besides that, it was 95% points in ""totes not OP"" resin units abusing IH trait interaction.

And the best part was GW's reaction to the problem - instead of tagging broken FW gak with nerf hammer, they destroyed IH rules instead ruining them for people who used actual IH plastic armies instead of bringing cherrypicked WAAAC resin recast dump. IH trait was not problematic with box dreads with at worst two lascannon and one missile shot. That unit could be removed easily even with FNP. It was completely different story with insanely durable brick with 2+, ++, +++, and more wounds than any three other SM units put together and zillion autocannon shots (with 2+ BS because FRAK YOU) that was insanely efficient when it came to buffing, stratagems, and inability to remove it from table before it was healed to full. And that's even if we generously assume it was, like you say, ""overpriced"" (which is nonsense but clearly shows raw points are only a very tiny piece of actual picture).

It took GW long enough but what we have now is vastly preferable and more balanced than the gak that was 8th (and first 1/3 of 9th) where you had zero incentive to use actual SM/CSM units and could just spam whatever was most OP from FW stuff. Now the rules abuse has actual, tangible drawbacks and results in armies that started to resemble fluff a bit more than insane concentrations of stuff that would make even HH legions stare in disbelief, never mind factions in 40K for whom these are priceless, irreplaceable relics.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
so you get the weird situation where a HH era tank is just as easy for a new Primaris founding loyalist chapter to field as a warband of Iron Warriors that can still remember the Siege of Terra

Yep, I have no idea why 10.000 old Admech character second only to Martian High Lord/Fabricator General in faction importance might have access to said tanks, and give them to his pet creation. It's inconceivably less likely than IW (who lost all their gear running from Terra, then lost whatever remained in Scouring, then lost even more in huge blame shift CSM wars in Eye that followed, then finally ruined whatever scraps they had left when Perturabo ordered ruinous IW civil war out of boredom) having them. And that is literally the only CSM legion that actually knew how the stuff worked and had the knowledge base to maintain such vehicles unlike the other psychopaths who ran out on Terra and since then had to loot single bolter shells and armor gloves off dead enemies as they are incapable of producing even most basic pieces of wargear and need to resort to putting daemons in crude machines that only work due to warp frakkery in order to have any semblance of working heavy support.

Oh wait

that first paragraph is incorrect. double repulsor executioner was as common and roughly as good as the leviathan lists.

Well, that was when Repulsor Executioners could shoot twice, fly, had constant grav repulsion for anti-charge (instead of a strat), fit conveniently on the airpad terrain piece, and no 9th edition terrain rules (e.g. obscuring).

You are right though that he's incorrect about no plastic -- the best IH lists were Levis, a chappy dread, and intercessor hoards with melee weapons to abuse the mid-board and broken cogitated martyrdom/leviathan/ironstone interaction.

Really they could undo all of the nerfs to IH except cogitated martyrdom and 5+ FnP and they'd probably be just fine in 9th. Certainly not Nids/Drukhari/AdMech broken.

 Irbis wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

I like how you latch onto simple point efficiency ignoring the other, far more valid point, namely rules interactions with units far more durable and shooty than things they were designed with. For example, Iron Hands in 8th so many people with little clue screamed were ""OP"" - when the actual broken "IH" lists were all full of FW gak, contemptor and leviathan spam for weeks, with zero actual, Codex, plastic IH units on table. Well, maybe there was a token techmarine to fill HQ slot and repair dreads, plus throwaway Intercessor unit to dump AT shots targeting dreads onto with stratagem. Besides that, it was 95% points in ""totes not OP"" resin units abusing IH trait interaction.

And the best part was GW's reaction to the problem - instead of tagging broken FW gak with nerf hammer, they destroyed IH rules instead ruining them for people who used actual IH plastic armies instead of bringing cherrypicked WAAAC resin recast dump. IH trait was not problematic with box dreads with at worst two lascannon and one missile shot. That unit could be removed easily even with FNP. It was completely different story with insanely durable brick with 2+, ++, +++, and more wounds than any three other SM units put together and zillion autocannon shots (with 2+ BS because FRAK YOU) that was insanely efficient when it came to buffing, stratagems, and inability to remove it from table before it was healed to full. And that's even if we generously assume it was, like you say, ""overpriced"" (which is nonsense but clearly shows raw points are only a very tiny piece of actual picture).

It took GW long enough but what we have now is vastly preferable and more balanced than the gak that was 8th (and first 1/3 of 9th) where you had zero incentive to use actual SM/CSM units and could just spam whatever was most OP from FW stuff. Now the rules abuse has actual, tangible drawbacks and results in armies that started to resemble fluff a bit more than insane concentrations of stuff that would make even HH legions stare in disbelief, never mind factions in 40K for whom these are priceless, irreplaceable relics.

Irbis, Irbis, Irbis. I'm used to you throwing softballs, but this is T-ball.

The very fact that you repeatedly go back to "fw units broken in "Loyalist Scum Iron Hands 2.0" over and over, without showing that they were broken in any other Legion/chapter, shows that the problem was Iron Hands, and not the fw units that had existed for years in 8th edition without any major problems. People were calling the Iron Hands supplement broken the second that the rules were known, and they were just as broken with plastic gw models as fw models. And gw wrote those broken Iron Hands rules, not fw.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
so you get the weird situation where a HH era tank is just as easy for a new Primaris founding loyalist chapter to field as a warband of Iron Warriors that can still remember the Siege of Terra

Yep, I have no idea why 10.000 old Admech character second only to Martian High Lord/Fabricator General in faction importance might have access to said tanks, and give them to his pet creation. It's inconceivably less likely than IW (who lost all their gear running from Terra, then lost whatever remained in Scouring, then lost even more in huge blame shift CSM wars in Eye that followed, then finally ruined whatever scraps they had left when Perturabo ordered ruinous IW civil war out of boredom) having them. And that is literally the only CSM legion that actually knew how the stuff worked and had the knowledge base to maintain such vehicles unlike the other psychopaths who ran out on Terra and since then had to loot single bolter shells and armor gloves off dead enemies as they are incapable of producing even most basic pieces of wargear and need to resort to putting daemons in crude machines that only work due to warp frakkery in order to have any semblance of working heavy support.

Oh wait

Yeah, this is just more of your typical cherry-picking from very specific examples that support your terrible understanding of everything in the lore, while conveniently ignoring the vast amount of things that don't. Including the multiple official rule books that detail just how the Legions and Dark Mechanicum both maintain and even sometimes still produce HH era equipment.

It's also quite telling that you mention how the Dark Mechanicum "put daemons" into machines and use "Warp frakkery", completely ignoring that the fact that they do such is exactly one of the many ways that they keep HH equipment working, which obviously isn't available to the superstitious, hidebound, and innovation averse Adeptus Mechanicus.

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Individual CSM chapters getting their own secondaries:

Spoiler:

Isn't blade pistol leg lady oop?

ERJAK wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
No, they don't. The obvious example is everything with Martial Legacy. Would any of those units be "underpriced" if the CP tax was removed? No, because it isn't a factor that gw seems to consider in their prices. Even without Martial Legacy, many would still be overpriced compared to similar units.

I like how you latch onto simple point efficiency ignoring the other, far more valid point, namely rules interactions with units far more durable and shooty than things they were designed with. For example, Iron Hands in 8th so many people with little clue screamed were ""OP"" - when the actual broken "IH" lists were all full of FW gak, contemptor and leviathan spam for weeks, with zero actual, Codex, plastic IH units on table. Well, maybe there was a token techmarine to fill HQ slot and repair dreads, plus throwaway Intercessor unit to dump AT shots targeting dreads onto with stratagem. Besides that, it was 95% points in ""totes not OP"" resin units abusing IH trait interaction.

And the best part was GW's reaction to the problem - instead of tagging broken FW gak with nerf hammer, they destroyed IH rules instead ruining them for people who used actual IH plastic armies instead of bringing cherrypicked WAAAC resin recast dump. IH trait was not problematic with box dreads with at worst two lascannon and one missile shot. That unit could be removed easily even with FNP. It was completely different story with insanely durable brick with 2+, ++, +++, and more wounds than any three other SM units put together and zillion autocannon shots (with 2+ BS because FRAK YOU) that was insanely efficient when it came to buffing, stratagems, and inability to remove it from table before it was healed to full. And that's even if we generously assume it was, like you say, ""overpriced"" (which is nonsense but clearly shows raw points are only a very tiny piece of actual picture).

It took GW long enough but what we have now is vastly preferable and more balanced than the gak that was 8th (and first 1/3 of 9th) where you had zero incentive to use actual SM/CSM units and could just spam whatever was most OP from FW stuff. Now the rules abuse has actual, tangible drawbacks and results in armies that started to resemble fluff a bit more than insane concentrations of stuff that would make even HH legions stare in disbelief, never mind factions in 40K for whom these are priceless, irreplaceable relics.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
so you get the weird situation where a HH era tank is just as easy for a new Primaris founding loyalist chapter to field as a warband of Iron Warriors that can still remember the Siege of Terra

Yep, I have no idea why 10.000 old Admech character second only to Martian High Lord/Fabricator General in faction importance might have access to said tanks, and give them to his pet creation. It's inconceivably less likely than IW (who lost all their gear running from Terra, then lost whatever remained in Scouring, then lost even more in huge blame shift CSM wars in Eye that followed, then finally ruined whatever scraps they had left when Perturabo ordered ruinous IW civil war out of boredom) having them. And that is literally the only CSM legion that actually knew how the stuff worked and had the knowledge base to maintain such vehicles unlike the other psychopaths who ran out on Terra and since then had to loot single bolter shells and armor gloves off dead enemies as they are incapable of producing even most basic pieces of wargear and need to resort to putting daemons in crude machines that only work due to warp frakkery in order to have any semblance of working heavy support.

Oh wait

that first paragraph is incorrect. double repulsor executioner was as common and roughly as good as the leviathan lists.

Ibris just has a hateboner to FW for whatever reason. No logic in their post.

Dudeface wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Individual CSM chapters getting their own secondaries:

Spoiler:

Isn't blade pistol leg lady oop?

Yes and no.

She's on a shared sprue with the rest of the "Escalation/Combat Arena" characters. That would be the Technoarcheologist(who's in the AdMech codex no less now!)+Servitor, Crusader, and her--5 models.

Combat Arena still randomly gets restocked at B&N sometimes. But Escalation's gone for the time being.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Individual CSM chapters getting their own secondaries:

Spoiler:

Isn't blade pistol leg lady oop?

Yes and no.

She's on a shared sprue with the rest of the "Escalation/Combat Arena" characters. That would be the Technoarcheologist(who's in the AdMech codex no less now!)+Servitor, Crusader, and her--5 models.

Combat Arena still randomly gets restocked at B&N sometimes. But Escalation's gone for the time being.

Ahh yes, that doesn't exist in the UK so she's functionally oop from a UK perspective.

tneva82 wrote:
Well whatever they are remember goal isn't balance. Just change what's imbalanced

"Do not attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity." We have no reason to assume intent over simply being bad at balancing.