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 Haighus wrote:

What's a Baxx?

They compile and track Necromunda rules, including discrepancies and errors between publications and broken or poorly-functional rules.

Ah, thanks. I figured it was a 3rd party app/forum/website dedicated to Necromunda or a fan version of the rules. I suppose given the posts above mentioning poor editing and design that I don't need to ask "Why is Baxx?" (Guardians of the Galaxy joke).

At this point it seems to me that the never-ending rulebooks (and their associated income) are a way to convince the higher-ups at GW that Necromunda can make money medium to long term, and hopefully will also convince them to keep investing in the game.

A necessary evil, if you like. A tax on the players to hopefully ensure that the game continues to receive new minis & models.

At least, that's how I see it

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
At this point it seems to me that the never-ending rulebooks (and their associated income) are a way to convince the higher-ups at GW that Necromunda can make money medium to long term, and hopefully will also convince them to keep investing in the game.

A necessary evil, if you like. A tax on the players to hopefully ensure that the game continues to receive new minis & models.

At least, that's how I see it

That is some turbo level cope.

Well, there's still supposed to be 1 or 2 more Aranthian Succession books right? What are the odds those are going to be compatible with the new core book?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Do you like Newcromunda?

Then you’ll love Newnewcromunda!

New Rulebook coming. And we’re promised a proper boo-boos and orchids table. Which is welcome.

I think this needs a picture for casual browsers like me.



Hey yo new Necro books yo!

I might actually buy this one.

XP for wounding has been long-needed, since it's so difficult to put someone down and out. It was weird where gangs were gathering cash and guns faster than skills and stats. Some form of underdog XP compensation/enticement would be nice too.

A new book and a new box set maybe?

Not in the market for overpriced never ending tomes of rules but it's clever they consolidate things and trash all previous books. Fresh start.

They probably aren't going to "trash" the House of... books.
Just introduce rules that change some parts and not others but it's not consistently explained which parts.

They did say it was coming to pre-order "soon", so hopefully we only have a couple of weeks to pick apart the bones of this announcement.

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
At this point it seems to me that the never-ending rulebooks (and their associated income) are a way to convince the higher-ups at GW that Necromunda can make money medium to long term, and hopefully will also convince them to keep investing in the game.

A necessary evil, if you like. A tax on the players to hopefully ensure that the game continues to receive new minis & models.

At least, that's how I see it

That is some turbo level cope.

Hoping that the profit that they make from the (many!) books will convince GW to continue supporting Necromunda is "some turbo level cope"

What does that even mean?

You seem to spend most of your time on this site making bitter/mocking single-sentence comments, aimed either at GW or people who enjoy their products.

I must admit, I find your behaviour to be a bit sad.

the changes sound like stuff that doesn't invalidate the add ons, more just consolidation

though as noted it will likely omit various bits of errata that won't be folded in correctly etc.

I am inclined to agree that a level of book churn is a sort of tax but a way to keep a game alive when the game really doesn't need many models or overly provide a huge incentive to keep buying more

my Esher have the ten from "hive war", the add on box with the cat/thing.ohgodstopbitingme in it and four as yet unassembled jet bikes

pondering another box for some alternative weapons but thats about it

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Hoping that the profit that they make from the (many!) books will convince GW to continue supporting Necromunda is "some turbo level cope"

What does that even mean?

It's part of a language usually found on 4chan, Twitter or other s..t-post boards/media. It means you want to avoid the truth by inventing justifications for something. It tells more about the one who use this term than the topic.

As far as I can tell the "House of..." books will still be good, though maybe a little errata might be needed. Overall I think it will be good to get an updated and "patched" Core Rulebook.

Also curious if there will be a new starter box of some sort.

I am happy with the idea of the book, and the intent of the book, and even the seeming content of the book (speaking as someone who regularly threw a ton of injury dice on someone for all of them to turn up 'Serious Injury' and watch the fether roll a Flesh wound and get up and walk it off).

I am just not enthused about paying this kind of money for yet another Necromunda rulebook. Make this thing smaller and $20 with zero artwork and background and I would be dancing in the streets.

So you suffer a Flesh Wound just for rolling a recovery test?

That seems weird to me.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So you suffer a Flesh Wound just for rolling a recovery test?

That seems weird to me.

TBF, seriously injured rolls also counting as a flesh wound kind implies that idea that the fighter is bleeding out, with rolling a flesh wound and being placed face-up indicating plugging the bleed for now. Feels a little more Die Hard action movie style wound treatment, which fits Necromunda quite well. Also makes causing harm mean something, as previously most games I played ended up with half a gang face down from being shot and very little else ever happening to those fighters.

It was non intuitive to me when I started (fairly recently granted) that flesh wounds stacked, but multiple serious injuries, which were meant to be worse than flesh wounds, did nothing.

As a casual player, the new master rule book is welcome.

I suspect the marketing speak of the announcement will make more sense in context.

 schoon wrote:
As a casual player, the new master rule book is welcome.

Are there competitive Necromunda players?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 schoon wrote:
As a casual player, the new master rule book is welcome.

Are there competitive Necromunda players?

Some people do like to optimize and game the rules, but I think for Necromunda casual would be more in the sense of plays games every once in a while vs heavily involved in one or more narrative campaigns, while players who want one off games as a skirmish battle format using the ruleset are a third option. Not every term is defined by a single diametrically opposed option.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 schoon wrote:
As a casual player, the new master rule book is welcome.

Are there competitive Necromunda players?

I can’t even imagine how that would work? It’s one step away from suggesting competitive DND.

As for the rule book, I’m generally OK with this. The changes they have talked about are interesting, reasonable and, most importantly, look like they’re totally backwards compatible with the current House books. I’m not thrilled that I have to buy another book, but if they’ve done a decent job of consolidating and incorporating all of the errata (bit of an “if” based on past experience), it will be quite useful. The number of times we’ve gone to look up a rule and realised it’s in the other book reached almost meme levels in my group.

Oh, and just think, this is a GW rules update that doesn’t appear to wipe the slate clean and smash the balance pendulum into the wall!

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:

Hoping that the profit that they make from the (many!) books will convince GW to continue supporting Necromunda is "some turbo level cope"

What does that even mean?

It's part of a language usually found on 4chan, Twitter or other s..t-post boards/media. It means you want to avoid the truth by inventing justifications for something. It tells more about the one who use this term than the topic.

It's a fine term for fanboys getting high on self-delusion and it's definitely commonplace in GW communities, but it was certainly misused in this instance. Acknowledging that a thing sucks and hoping something good comes out of it anyway is not copium. Copium is blindly insisting that a bad thing is good, as a recent example, "genuinely" arguing that the new 40k points system is an improvement.

Hahahaha, can't say anything else about it. Others alteady said everything better than me.

Also, thanks for Nice and/or honest mentions 😅

Some of the updated rules sound really good. I look forward to browsing a PDF of the new book.

 Undead_Love-Machine wrote:
At this point it seems to me that the never-ending rulebooks (and their associated income) are a way to convince the higher-ups at GW that Necromunda can make money medium to long term, and hopefully will also convince them to keep investing in the game.

A necessary evil, if you like. A tax on the players to hopefully ensure that the game continues to receive new minis & models.

At least, that's how I see it

I agree with the bottom line, but I think there is more evidence that the book churn was a decision from above to make the return of Specialist Games viable to begin with. Necromunda released three years after 7th ed 40k when GW went off the deep end with mini codices and splitting up armies to sell more books. Development of Titanicus, Blood Bowl and Necromunda would have overlapped with getting in sales data from that push. Seems to me like they found that model to work, since they're still doing it across most of their games, and Necromunda was set up to follow that example.

Sure, that seems very likely.

Either way I think everybody can agree (except one person, it seems) that the more profit that GW see from the Necro book sales, the more likely they are to support the game in future.

I like the bit about a serious injury also causing a flesh wound, essentially stopping a seriously injured model being immune to further such injuries.

the change on the grenades I think is also needed to get around "oh you are in cover so hard to hit, never mind I will aim at the ground adjacent to you for no modifier" effect

all in they all seem good, reasonably minor, but good changes

Also -1 to hit if you can’t see the model you’re about to charge.

Reduces cheesy Corpse Grinder smoke grenade shenanigans. Sounds like it should still work. Just not quite as well as it has.

The changes are reasonable yes, but community applied such changes as house rules years ago. Complaints about such topics were raised as early as 2018 or even shortly after release late 2017. This would make sense at the time of 2018 rulebook and gotu.

Better late than never I suppose?

Baxx wrote:
The changes are reasonable yes, but community applied such changes as house rules years ago. Complaints about such topics were raised as early as 2018 or even shortly after release late 2017. This would make sense at the time of 2018 rulebook and gotu.

Then the community co-wrote this edition. It's nice that GW merged them in and made them official. It's a pity it took so long.