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Those are some beautiful minis. Very welcome on my tabletop for both Necromunda and Wrath & Glory.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
I need three of them named Huey, Duey and Louey...

Let it be known that the reference is noted, and your respect for Silent Running appreciated. Very 40k-ish movie, too.

I was thinking what has this got to do with "Duck Tales"?

Having looked through it now, the enw rulebook does have a much cleaner page design. There's still some patterning behind the words, but it's a lot, lot paler, rendering the words much easier to read.

 ohreally wrote:

No, that's not the passage the errata applied to and the rules for Maintain Control have also changed, so it's likely an intended rule change.

This is absolutely correct! The continuous effect wyrd powers are stated to last until start/end of the fighter's next activation in 2 different passages. This has always been inconsistent before, where the first passage said "start" and the last passage said "end". FAQ changed "end" to "start", so it was consistent. Now, the new rulebook changed it the opposite way, from "start" to "end". This makes more sense and is a 2nd buff to continuous effects on top of the optionally free maintain control. This rulebook therefore invalidates previous FAQ updates. Which makes me wonder, why didn't the FAQ just fix this properly the same way years ago?

Baxx wrote:

 ohreally wrote:

No, that's not the passage the errata applied to and the rules for Maintain Control have also changed, so it's likely an intended rule change.

This is absolutely correct! The continuous effect wyrd powers are stated to last until start/end of the fighter's next activation in 2 different passages. This has always been inconsistent before, where the first passage said "start" and the last passage said "end". FAQ changed "end" to "start", so it was consistent. Now, the new rulebook changed it the opposite way, from "start" to "end". This makes more sense and is a 2nd buff to continuous effects on top of the optionally free maintain control. This rulebook therefore invalidates previous FAQ updates. Which makes me wonder, why didn't the FAQ just fix this properly the same way years ago?

Because they initially wanted it one way, faq’d an error, played it for several years, then decided that the other way was better?

This has never happened before. Don't think the ones who wrote the FAQ have played the game. Surprised to say whoever updated the rules now show strong indication of having at least played a game! Amazing that Trading Post now shows stats and cost/availability in the same table. How is that even possible? And there's more, the crazy weapons from N19 are cleaned up, no more gas ammo with Damage 1. Even the Imperial/Xenos/Corrupted designation has been streamlined, losing the useless 'Imperial' and Xenos/Corrupted are combined into a new "Esoteric" trait. For 4 years GW never bothered to touch it, but now all of a sudden it's finally starting to make sense. I don't believe my eyes.

Baxx wrote:
This has never happened before. Don't think the ones who wrote the FAQ have played the game. Surprised to say whoever updated the rules now show strong indication of having at least played a game! Amazing that Trading Post now shows stats and cost/availability in the same table. How is that even possible? And there's more, the crazy weapons from N19 are cleaned up, no more gas ammo with Damage 1 or Static stub gun ammo without Knockback. Even the Imperial/Xenos/Corrupted designation has been streamlined, losing the useless 'Imperial' and Xenos/Corrupted are combined into a new "Esoteric" trait. For 4 years GW never bothered to touch it, but now all of a sudden it's finally starting to make sense. I don't believe my eyes.

Are….are you saying we no longer need our Baxx???

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Are….are you saying we no longer need our Baxx???

This book hardly needs fixing! It's so clean you could eat dinner off of it. It is by far the most unique quality release since 2017. I would almost recommend it had it not been for all the chances GW had at <doing this. This should have been the 2017 rulebook. Or the 2018, 2019 or 2021.

However! Desire's needle correctly lost D1 (doesn't make sense with Toxin), but while not a new mistake, it kept the S+2 (which also doesn't make sense with Toxin). So there is a grain of hope >

Don’t worry pal. We’ll send someone in periodically to give you a dust!

Just wondering if when you get the Ash Wastes box set do you get the Nomads and Orlock vehicle cards in it or do you have to buy them seperate?

 manic _miner wrote:
Just wondering if when you get the Ash Wastes box set do you get the Nomads and Orlock vehicle cards in it or do you have to buy them seperate?

you get the cards and rules for the Orlock buggies, the Nomands dust mites are not vehicles and essentially make models on foot into cavalry

you don't IIRC get the rules to customise vehicles though or stats for vehicles other than the buggies

Baxx wrote:
This book hardly needs fixing! It's so clean you could eat dinner off of it. It is by far the most unique quality release since 2017.

Well that's as glowing a recommendation as I've ever heard from you.

My copy should be here by this afternoon.

The book's one real problem is the lack of reference to other books. Outlaw and Law-Abiding conditions are mentioned, but not defined, and no reference is made to looking to the Book of Judgement to learn more, for example. Maybe this is future-proofing those books being replaced?

The book's most weird thing is the random re-ordering of which territories correspond to which cards in a poker deck. It makes no real difference either way, so it's a strange thing to change when they could have just cut-and-paste'd the original order.

One missing thing that would have been nice: defining how many faces each special symbol has on a die, for those that are just using regular d6. They have sidebars clearing displaying the symbols, but not informing which are duplicated.

 manic _miner wrote:
Just wondering if when you get the Ash Wastes box set do you get the Nomads and Orlock vehicle cards in it or do you have to buy them seperate?

You get statlines for the Orlock quads, but no options or cards as such. You'll need to get Book of the Outlands to add any upgrades to them.

And even with the new Core book, you'll still need BotO if you want to design your own vehicles.

And also the Arranthian Succession books if you want the Goliath, Escher & Cawdor vehicles/wargear.

Baxx wrote:
This has never happened before. Don't think the ones who wrote the FAQ have played the game. Surprised to say whoever updated the rules now show strong indication of having at least played a game! Amazing that Trading Post now shows stats and cost/availability in the same table. How is that even possible? And there's more, the crazy weapons from N19 are cleaned up, no more gas ammo with Damage 1 or Static stub gun ammo without Knockback. Even the Imperial/Xenos/Corrupted designation has been streamlined, losing the useless 'Imperial' and Xenos/Corrupted are combined into a new "Esoteric" trait. For 4 years GW never bothered to touch it, but now all of a sudden it's finally starting to make sense. I don't believe my eyes.

That’s great to hear, glad I got a copy now. Mine arrived last night and I was impressed by how much of it is actual rules; I reckon a good 60%, and that doesn’t include some of the campaign stuff. It’s a heck of a wedge!

Now, to save me trawling back through the thread, can anyone help me out by telling me which books I can clear off my book shelf please?

It's a refreshingly comprehensive new book. Hopefully at a bare minimum there'll be an updated gang list for Enforcers, Genestealer, Corpse Grinder and Chaos Cultists because they're just not current with the terminology (not that they have been for a long while).

 Jadenim wrote:
That’s great to hear, glad I got a copy now. Mine arrived last night and I was impressed by how much of it is actual rules; I reckon a good 60%, and that doesn’t include some of the campaign stuff. It’s a heck of a wedge!

Now, to save me trawling back through the thread, can anyone help me out by telling me which books I can clear off my book shelf please?

As always, you can find some small unique bits in most books that have never been republished and may be beneficial to use in games. In general, everything from 2017 and 2018 are now dead (N17 Rulebook, Gang War 1-4, N18 Rulebook & GotU).

Other than that, parts of most previous content should now never be referenced. Particularly core rules (found in other rulebooks such as N19, N21 and even N22). Stuff like skills, wyrd powers, weapons (stats, traits, costs, rarity). The fairly new Trading Post pdf should also be mostly outdated. Even the latest FAQ is partially overturned by this book. Not related to this book, but several alliances published in 2019 are also outdated. Which means any previous book is more or less a swiss cheese in terms of validity.

This all sounds like excellent news on the new book. We just need to dig through the previous ones for where the rules overlap, but I imagine folks are getting into that already.

You'll still need Gangs of the Underhive (or the Gangwar books) for stats on a bunch of bounty hunters and house agents.

About the only books that were completely replaced are the 2 previous main rulebooks. Ash Wastes and Dark Uprising rulebooks still have their special campaigns that haven't been reprinted.

Several scenarios from the previous rulebook have not been reprinted: Caravan Heist, Gang Moot, The Hit, Archaeo-Hunters, Escort Mission, Fighter Down, Downtown Dust-Up, Escape the Pit!, Last Stand, Sneak Attack, The Marauders, Forgotten Riches, Sabotage, Ambush, Looters, Tunnel Skirmish and Stand-Off.

The tables for generic subplots are absent.

There are no dramatis personae profiles, so any special characters from Gangs of the Underhive are without a home now.

On the topic of the new squat mini. Did this fella ever get released?

John D Law wrote:
On the topic of the new squat mini. Did this fella ever get released?

Over on Forgeworld, it seems so...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/necromunda-squat-vartijan-exo-driller-2022

Yep

 warboss wrote:

John D Law wrote:
On the topic of the new squat mini. Did this fella ever get released?

Over on Forgeworld, it seems so...

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/necromunda-squat-vartijan-exo-driller-2022

Oh. For some reason I thought this guy was plastic.

I painted mine up in August 2022 so it must've been out a good year. I can understand why you would've thought it would be plastic, it just looks like more of a plastic than a resin kit.

The Enforcer bots are back in stock on the GW Web store.

 SgtEeveell wrote:
The Enforcer bots are back in stock on the GW Web store.

And my FLGS even says they can get it at trade.

 Shakalooloo wrote:

One missing thing that would have been nice: defining how many faces each special symbol has on a die, for those that are just using regular d6. They have sidebars clearing displaying the symbols, but not informing which are duplicated.

Something like this?

Sounds like a job for the community

Thanks for the good news on Ed-CCIXs, I just got the email.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/necromunda-enforcer-sanctioner-automata-2023

I'll have to see if they're at a discount anywhere.

Baxx wrote:

Something like this?

Spoiler:

Sounds like a job for the community

Yes! How difficult would that have been, GW?