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lord_blackfang wrote: Yea GW writing isn't always the smartest. We're also supposed to believe that gyro stabilized walkers (something we currently still struggle with) are cheaper and easier for Cawdor to maintain than wheels.
Well, we see House Cawdor imitating other Imperial kit, including Guardian Spears. Their piety may well lead them to favour things which resemble Sentinels.
Also, don’t misunderstand Imperial Tech. They’re not without understanding, it’s just very specific understanding about very specific things. So self stabilising Walkers clearly aren’t a problem. Where the regression comes in is having no understanding, ability and potentially interest in adapting or improving said tech. It’s used for a Ridge Walker, and nothing else and so on.
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There's no saying that rumours of an STC on Necromunda aren't flagged as 'fake news' by somebody high enough up in the mechanicus (past or present) for reports to be ignored by anybody with enough power to make a serious attempt to find out
and the occasional unsupported adept that does come looking can have an unfortunate accident if they get too close
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Another option on the STC is that Van Saar are wrong or lying.
They don't have a working STC (a supercomputer that can tell someone how to build anything from an iron forge to an interstellar battleship). They have broken and corrupted copy of Weaponsdatabase-v52.doc.
Which ain't nothing since most worlds have Weaponsdatabase-v35.doc but ain't the holy grail either.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Another option on the STC is that Van Saar are wrong or lying.
They don't have a working STC
That would be an option if the source of the claim was from the Van Saar In-universe, but it's the 3rd person narrator lore that tells us they have one.
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Another option on the STC is that Van Saar are wrong or lying.
They don't have a working STC
That would be an option if the source of the claim was from the Van Saar In-universe, but it's the 3rd person narrator lore that tells us they have one.
Lots of 3rd person omniscient lore has proven "questionable" over time.
Think of it as Occam's Razor in action. It's a neat solution that does not require an Imperial civil war or complete stupidity on everyone's part.
Similarly Necromunda has Genestealer and Orks running around (and mutants, and Harlequins) and no one has nuked the planet yet. That's probably because all of the above are under control.
It could also be a small/limited STC that the Mechanicus just doesn't recognize for what it is, since they are so used to broken or partial printouts. Like how the AI Man of Iron from Blackstone fortress is just thought to be an old Automaton
semajnollissor wrote: I choose to believe that the Van Saar STC is the real deal, and it was remotely sabotaged by the Ironhead Squats’ Votan.
honestly we know it is damaged. we don't know how damaged it is. it could well be that the AI's higher intelligence functions are offline (or otherwise unable to interact with users), preventing it from being able to guide it's users, and the Van Saar are just picking out useful bits of tech blueprints they've been able to dig out from the plethora of data in its memory. leaving them in a similar situation to the Mechanicus, just starting with a slightly better baseline.
Here comes my Hive Secundus unboxing & review. I got high-res sprue images of all models, details on the assembly options and alternate builds, and I also take a look into the Hive Secundus book to find out if Hive Secundus is really a complete out-of-the-box experience:
The Imperium can make skull-sized anti-grav generators, but ONLY skull-sized anti-grav generators, so making them for vehicles requires soldering a whole bunch together and then hoping you don't blow the fuse.
To be fair, an AdMech vehicle powered by hundreds of Servo-skulls below it would be peak 40K.
Question: does the average imperial civilian know that the Adeptus Mechanicus wants an STC?
As in, even if they found out the Van Saar had access to one, would it even occur to them that this is in any way unusual or worthy of note?
Also, it’s been canon for years that STCs can be concealed from orbital scans; there was a planet with warring factions that were supplied weapons by Proto-techpriests who had a monastery full of paper STC records, which was brought into Compliance by, of all things, an Assassin and an Arbitrator negotiating for access to the paper records but even the Adeptus Mechanicus techpriests sent to Copt the data never found out about the fully functional STC unit hidden under the monastery or the personal teleporters the abbot and other senior monks used to access it….
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Kid_Kyoto wrote: Still not feeling the Spryers, maybe it's the paint job but they're really just not calling out to me.
Me neither. They are cool models, but not Spyrers. The rest of the OG updates felt like just that: updates. These feel like a new design shoehorned into the role of Spyrers.
The Delaque would like a word (and I genuinely prefer fish people Delaque to trenchcoat skinhead gangster Delaque).
I quite like the silver Brotherhood of Steel scheme from WC, but the other two examples are a bit phoned in. I'd still like to see the models really blinged out before deciding.
Also, it’s been canon for years that STCs can be concealed from orbital scans; there was a planet with warring factions that were supplied weapons by Proto-techpriests who had a monastery full of paper STC records, which was brought into Compliance by, of all things, an Assassin and an Arbitrator negotiating for access to the paper records but even the Adeptus Mechanicus techpriests sent to Copt the data never found out about the fully functional STC unit hidden under the monastery or the personal teleporters the abbot and other senior monks used to access it….
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Still not feeling the Spryers, maybe it's the paint job but they're really just not calling out to me.
Me neither. They are cool models, but not Spyrers. The rest of the OG updates felt like just that: updates. These feel like a new design shoehorned into the role of Spyrers.
I never liked the original Spyrers, IMNSHO these are much better.
F - is the Fire that rains from the skies.
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N - is for No Survivors...
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Still not feeling the Spryers, maybe it's the paint job but they're really just not calling out to me.
Me neither. They are cool models, but not Spyrers. The rest of the OG updates felt like just that: updates. These feel like a new design shoehorned into the role of Spyrers.
I never liked the original Spyrers, IMNSHO these are much better.
I never liked them much either, but some N17 reimaginings of mediocre models really knocked it out of the park (Van Saar, Nomads) and these are not really on that level.
Also, it’s been canon for years that STCs can be concealed from orbital scans; there was a planet with warring factions that were supplied weapons by Proto-techpriests who had a monastery full of paper STC records, which was brought into Compliance by, of all things, an Assassin and an Arbitrator negotiating for access to the paper records but even the Adeptus Mechanicus techpriests sent to Copt the data never found out about the fully functional STC unit hidden under the monastery or the personal teleporters the abbot and other senior monks used to access it….
Where is that from?
Deathwing Anthology, "Monastery of Death" by Charles Stross
The GMG review also says the bulkheads are new/different.
But they don't look it. The Tale of Painters article ID's them as the same old set (and I trust that site more than GMG for details and precision, over Ash's checked-out vibes-based commentary).
Altruizine wrote: The GMG review also says the bulkheads are new/different.
But they don't look it. The Tale of Painters article ID's them as the same old set (and I trust that site more than GMG for details and precision, over Ash's checked-out vibes-based commentary).
I have no idea. If you & Blackfang say they're old, then they're old.
I didn't recognize them, as like I said I didn't have them in my collection. But I jumped in with Dark Harvest so that's possibly why!
It's always possible that there's a newly stamped mould too, with GW having moved production to the UK?
Altruizine wrote: The GMG review also says the bulkheads are new/different.
But they don't look it. The Tale of Painters article ID's them as the same old set (and I trust that site more than GMG for details and precision, over Ash's checked-out vibes-based commentary).
I have no idea. If you & Blackfang say they're old, then they're old.
I didn't recognize them, as like I said I didn't have them in my collection. But I jumped in with Dark Harvest so that's possibly why!
It's always possible that there's a newly stamped mould too, with GW having moved production to the UK?
Yeah, several times I've wondered if people have been meaning to say something like "a recut version, not identical to the old version."
Later the two terrain halves of that box were split into two terrain products:
I'm also wondering if they came as part of some other box I'm forgetting, because I feel like I already have two sets but I only ever bought one Underhive box.
edit: I've always struggled to find ideas for using them on the table and never finished painting mine. Back in 2017 it seemed possible to use them to depict an interior "corridors & chambers" setting, but the problem was you'd need a LOT of them to do that on a 4x4 (or even a 3x3). Probably like 20+ sets lol. And then post-2017 even that overly-ambitious plan was superseded by the excellent updated Zone Mortalis products, and possibly again by the Gallowdark stuff (which I've never handled in-person).
The bulkheads look "ok" as ad hoc temporary dividers erected within a non-interior space, which is mostly what we ended up employing them as any time we played. More-or-less another form of scatter terrain, with the interesting quality of not being able to be walked over casually and fully blocking LoS to man-sized figures. But they tend to fall down a lot, not connect up neatly, and aren't really truly modular.
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They may have recut the sprue, but those are definately the bits I got in the 2017 Underhive box. They only really make sense as the security doors working with the original 2d card stock tiles. They also do quite well as random LOS blockers, if they do stick out a bit on their own.
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