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 Albertorius wrote:
Been checking a bit more, and the beakies in the wider stances fit without issues with other marines:

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The characters, though? The characters are stupid. It's like the're walking around with the kids.

Spoiler:

I have a specialist squad made up of vintage 40k minis glued on 25 mm. Will glue them on 32 mm with their smaller base once I got hold of enough larger bases to avoid this.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?

I see this argument get brought up a lot, but the problem is that it's only the different armour marks that are a different size. They didn't look at Terry taking an XXL and give him MKII or Jerry got MKIV because he's only a L. Or that being a Centurion/Praetor required you to be above 8ft.

Jesus that's not scale creep that's scale sprint

 Arbitrator wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?

I see this argument get brought up a lot, but the problem is that it's only the different armour marks that are a different size. They didn't look at Terry taking an XXL and give him MKII or Jerry got MKIV because he's only a L. Or that being a Centurion/Praetor required you to be above 8ft.

Could be the praetors rose through the ranks in crusades against the greenskins. So much fighting against the orks left them stronger and bigger. When you fight monsters, you become them…

Are the praetors supposed to be in MkVI armor too? It doesn't look like it at all.

I am glad that the Mk6s still feel in-scale with the Cataphractii. The Tartaros got some flak back in the day for being kind of small, so I'm guessing that's why they weren't chosen for this box even though their sleek aesthetic would have fit better with the Corvus armor.

 Arbitrator wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?

I see this argument get brought up a lot, but the problem is that it's only the different armour marks that are a different size. They didn't look at Terry taking an XXL and give him MKII or Jerry got MKIV because he's only a L. Or that being a Centurion/Praetor required you to be above 8ft.

"You must be at least this tall to be promoted to Praetor..."

 Scottywan82 wrote:
Are the praetors supposed to be in MkVI armor too? It doesn't look like it at all.

It's all the Artificer Armor bling, but yes, there is MkVI plate under all that extra stuff.

They have the helmet and backpack, but the extra bull definitely doesn’t feel right. And I’ve seen a lot of people mistake the axe praetor as a terminator, despite the backpack

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't really mind the idea that some Space Marines are bigger than others, it seems to be a reoccurring theme in the fluff that some are just extra big. Though a whole head taller is maybe a bit much?

You expect different heights from real people, even a head or two taller. Getting that on the tabletop is not a general problem either in my opinion, but it's something plastic kits don't account for very well. You can have a number of individual sculpts that realistically differ in height quite easily, but people have a (well founded) expectation of interchangeable parts from a multipart plastic infantry kit to avoid clone armies, so there is an overriding need for standardized size. Characters are the easiest way to break out of this, but as can be seen here it's not desirable because you've already rationalized why all your other Marines are about the same size. Having a lone, prominent or very small selection of models deviate from that standard for no good reason invites questions more than approval.

Compared to a box like the old metal Last Chancers where you're specifically dealing with individuals than can and should look different from each other in all sorts of ways, uniformed soldiers in plastic just aren't a good place to represent varied body sizes. Especially armored ones where the organic components in all their variety aren't prominent or even there at all and the focus is on industrially manufactured equipment that is generally expected to be produced to a standard.

I don't know what the designers were thinking here, but it's a pretty bad choice in my opinion. If these Praetors were specific Black Library characters noted for their size, sure, why not? But as generic leaders? Nope.

The two praetors are featured on the cover of Cthonia's Reckoning; perhaps the original intention was for the models to be based on named characters from a story (and the launch box be based on a specific battle/event)?

I don't care about different size marines in my forces at all. I just accept it as part of the hobby.

Ya no issues with size people come in big and small and space marines start as people, so there size should be all over the place. What I do have an issue with is weird proportions. Wich the smaller marines have.

I assume the praetors happened to get extra-pure geneseed, making them closer to the primarch and inherited more of his traits. Which made them taller and stronger and probably smarter, which is why they ended up getting promoted in the first place.

 arkhanist wrote:
I assume the praetors happened to get extra-pure geneseed, making them closer to the primarch and inherited more of his traits. Which made them taller and stronger and probably smarter, which is why they ended up getting promoted in the first place.

Perhaps they have three new experimental implants which will become more widespread ten thousand years later!

Or they are both alpha legionaires , which have been noted to be larger than "normal" marines?

Which in turn would mean your force is infiltrated

Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release

Some older FW bits coming back as an MTO:

If your tastes run more to the Legiones Astartes, these custom accessories will add a bit of bling to your Iron Warriors and Dark Angels.

These resin bits add some Legion flavour to older armour marks – perfect for showing honours, or converting entire squads for a more uniform appearance. They’ll be available to order for just one week starting on Saturday./quote]

And some older shoulder pads long since discontinued

 zedmeister wrote:
Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release

Huh. Those don't really scream IWs at all. At least to me.

 Albertorius wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release

Spoiler:

Huh. Those don't really scream IWs at all. At least to me.

Me either. Very strange choice.

I don't have Extermination to hand for a check, but it might be something to do with one of the important Crusade battles the IVth fought in.

Nice of them to do a shoulder pad release for the Silver Skulls.

GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way

BrianDavion wrote:
GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way

Next step is $150 centerpiece models like AoS.

So, plastic versions of each Primarch 50% bigger than the current ones.

Scottywan82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release

Spoiler:

Huh. Those don't really scream IWs at all. At least to me.

Me either. Very strange choice.

Me three - what's with the bizzare cross/star thing?

TalonZahn wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way

Next step is $150 centerpiece models like AoS.
So, plastic versions of each Primarch 50% bigger than the current ones.

So Perturabo gets a full dead knight on his base instead of only the cockpit of one? Hah.

 Boringstuff wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:
Wow, next week Mk.II iron warrior torsos are getting a made to order release

Spoiler:

Huh. Those don't really scream IWs at all. At least to me.

Me either. Very strange choice.

Me three - what's with the bizzare cross/star thing?

TalonZahn wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
GW seems to be moving towards a "HQs as centerpieces" philophesy, with HQs on average getting a bit bigger and occupying a 40mm base instead of 32mm. we saw this with dark Imperium and indomatus, and it looks like HH is moving the same way

Next step is $150 centerpiece models like AoS.
So, plastic versions of each Primarch 50% bigger than the current ones.

So Perturabo gets a full dead knight on his base instead of only the cockpit of one? Hah.

An entire dead knight, he's posed pulling the pilot out of him and there's around four or five other Iron Warriors doing random crap around him

You know...that actually sounds pretty awesome. I'll take it.

Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

Voss wrote:
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

Mostly the plastic MK III and IV and all the resin marks, seeing as they're full torsos, but of course they'll be completely compatible with any regular space marine unit of the "old era" multiparts.