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 GaroRobe wrote:
You know...that actually sounds pretty awesome. I'll take it.

Honestly, I'd bloody take it too, as long as it's the good ol' ForgeWorld standard of Diorama bases that a bunch of smaller and more playable base can neatly slot into. Damnit, I just sold a model to myself.

 Albertorius wrote:

Voss wrote:
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

Mostly the plastic MK III and IV and all the resin marks, seeing as they're full torsos, but of course they'll be completely compatible with any regular space marine unit of the "old era" multiparts.

What makes you think they're full torsos, rather than just front pieces? The pictures don't show anything beyond the front, and the text doesn't say anything. I guess they fit mark 4, given the link, but I'd rather not have to guess.

Voss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Voss wrote:
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

Mostly the plastic MK III and IV and all the resin marks, seeing as they're full torsos, but of course they'll be completely compatible with any regular space marine unit of the "old era" multiparts.

What makes you think they're full torsos, rather than just front pieces? The pictures don't show anything beyond the front, and the text doesn't say anything. I guess they fit mark 4, given the link, but I'd rather not have to guess.

Because they're the same torsos they had until LCTBing them a few years ago.

They don't show the back because they're just normal Marine backs that the backpacks cover up.

Voss wrote:
What makes you think they're full torsos, rather than just front pieces? The pictures don't show anything beyond the front, and the text doesn't say anything. I guess they fit mark 4, given the link, but I'd rather not have to guess.

You can literally see the bit that covers the back of the neck and the dip where the head goes...

 arkhanist wrote:
I assume the praetors happened to get extra-pure geneseed, making them closer to the primarch and inherited more of his traits. Which made them taller and stronger and probably smarter, which is why they ended up getting promoted in the first place.

Unless they changed the lore, praetors generally aren't predestined by genetics (whether natural or geneseed) with some exceptions like psykers in the Thousand Sons or maye the clone-sons of Horus.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

Voss wrote:
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

Mostly the plastic MK III and IV and all the resin marks, seeing as they're full torsos, but of course they'll be completely compatible with any regular space marine unit of the "old era" multiparts.

What makes you think they're full torsos, rather than just front pieces? The pictures don't show anything beyond the front, and the text doesn't say anything. I guess they fit mark 4, given the link, but I'd rather not have to guess.

Because they're the same torsos they had until LCTBing them a few years ago.

They don't show the back because they're just normal Marine backs that the backpacks cover up.

Exactly this, yeah. Also, Because all of them were full torsos.

 Gert wrote:

Voss wrote:
What makes you think they're full torsos, rather than just front pieces? The pictures don't show anything beyond the front, and the text doesn't say anything. I guess they fit mark 4, given the link, but I'd rather not have to guess.

You can literally see the bit that covers the back of the neck and the dip where the head goes...

Ah. That looked like a gorget to me. Angle and paint made it look convex rather than concave.

 warboss wrote:
Unless they changed the lore, praetors generally aren't predestined by genetics (whether natural or geneseed) with some exceptions like psykers in the Thousand Sons or maye the clone-sons of Horus.

The Tsons don't always promote Psykers, it's just preferred and Abaddon being a clone was only a joke/rumour, it was very much confirmed in the HH books (where the rumour originated) that Abaddon was recruited by Maloghurst on Cthonia.

The link in the preview article pointed to the Mk IV box - hopefully when they're listed on whichever store it'll be clear what they're intended for.

 Gert wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Unless they changed the lore, praetors generally aren't predestined by genetics (whether natural or geneseed) with some exceptions like psykers in the Thousand Sons or maye the clone-sons of Horus.

The Tsons don't always promote Psykers, it's just preferred and Abaddon being a clone was only a joke/rumour, it was very much confirmed in the HH books (where the rumour originated) that Abaddon was recruited by Maloghurst on Cthonia.

He means the so called "Sons of Horus" like Little Horus and the Either/Or. Not actual clones, but the ones that physically look like Horus due to the geneseed.

Except that's not a trait specific to the Sons of Horus. Astartes geneseed often manipulates the genetics of the implantee so they become more like their Primarch, some become miniature replicas. The "Sons of Horus" moniker was just a term coined by the Luna Wolves to mark out those who facially resembled their father the most, it didn't mean they were genetically destined for command.

 Gert wrote:
Except that's not a trait specific to the Sons of Horus. Astartes geneseed often manipulates the genetics of the implantee so they become more like their Primarch, some become miniature replicas. The "Sons of Horus" moniker was just a term coined by the Luna Wolves to mark out those who facially resembled their father the most, it didn't mean they were genetically destined for command.

Indeed; all Alpha Legionnaires tend to look nearly identical to each other and to their primarch.
What’s weird is that they also look different every time you encounter them…

Voss wrote:
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

They were released as Mk II upgrades but they're fully compatible with the MkIII and MkIV plastics. They even put them into a bundle to go alongside the Battle of Calth release:

I don't normally do the "3D printer go brrrr!" thing, but I do wonder how much they're going to charge for those made-2-order Iron Warrior/Dark Angel pads.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't normally do the "3D printer go brrrr!" thing, but I do wonder how much they're going to charge for those made-2-order Iron Warrior/Dark Angel pads.

They're resin, giving them away would still be too much.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't normally do the "3D printer go brrrr!" thing, but I do wonder how much they're going to charge for those made-2-order Iron Warrior/Dark Angel pads.

While I tend to have mine go brrr with pads, for some reason, there seems to be a lack of "proper" Heresy era DA emblem pads. Pretty much all I've seen use the updated Primaris version of the chapter emblem rather than the full arched wings FW uses.

The fact they're doing the IW(as lame as Perty boys are) makes me hopeful for my 18th. I really want to replace all the ones that got jacked...and some!

I'd rather Cataphractii and Tartaros pads, especially the latter. I don't think FW every made any Chapter-specific ones for that type.

1st Legion certainly never got terminator pads of either sort, although we did get Mk2-4 pads

 Platuan4th wrote:
there seems to be a lack of "proper" Heresy era DA emblem pads.

I've noticed this too. I've been on the lookout for some for Cataphractii, but they just don't seem to exist.

 Gert wrote:
Except that's not a trait specific to the Sons of Horus. Astartes geneseed often manipulates the genetics of the implantee so they become more like their Primarch, some become miniature replicas. The "Sons of Horus" moniker was just a term coined by the Luna Wolves to mark out those who facially resembled their father the most, it didn't mean they were genetically destined for command.

I seem to recall it mentioned in Horus Rising that "Sons of Horus" tended to be more likely to be promoted, and it was odd that Loken was so senior when he wasn't a "Son of Horus"? Maybe I'm just misremembering. Also I only got through the first few books of the HH novels, so maybe it's clarified more later.


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 queen_annes_revenge wrote:
I don't care about different size marines in my forces at all. I just accept it as part of the hobby.

Yeah, in the end it doesn't bother me as much as whacky proportions and Marines that are no taller than your average Guardsmen.

GW scaling has never been so good as to worry about things like height variation within a single race (other than Orks where it's part of their power structure).

I'm not sure about fluff for different sized armours, but there's definitely been fluff on different sized Marines so maybe there's conflicting fluff or something? I dunno. Abaddon is mentioned as being exceptionally large, as was one specific Terminator in the Space Wolves. I'm sure there's more but those are the ones that immediately come to mind.

Ranulf was the wolf. Pollux was big. That's the first time I heard of Abaddon being a giant (I can't stand the guy that writes Black Legion though so it's not like I've read any of the Abaddon stories in recent years).

 zedmeister wrote:

Voss wrote:
Wait, if these torso bits are for 'older armor marks,' which models do they actually fit? That shouldn't be a trap for buyers to discover on their own.

They were released as Mk II upgrades but they're fully compatible with the MkIII and MkIV plastics. They even put them into a bundle to go alongside the Battle of Calth release:

Those helmets are pretty dammed sweet. The stand out from that picture
Torsos are meh for me.
The shoulder pads are nice but likely only would use on sergeants or characters.

JWBS wrote:
Ranulf was the wolf. Pollux was big. That's the first time I heard of Abaddon being a giant (I can't stand the guy that writes Black Legion though so it's not like I've read any of the Abaddon stories in recent years).

I'm not sure Abaddon was a "giant", but I recall in the first couple of HH novels he's described as being larger than regular Space Marines, and his size is often referenced when it talks about him being intimidating or when other Marines have to hold him back.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Ranulf was the wolf. Pollux was big. That's the first time I heard of Abaddon being a giant (I can't stand the guy that writes Black Legion though so it's not like I've read any of the Abaddon stories in recent years).

I'm not sure Abaddon was a "giant", but I recall in the first couple of HH novels he's described as being larger than regular Space Marines, and his size is often referenced when it talks about him being intimidating or when other Marines have to hold him back.

And yet, everyone knew he was "short for a stormtrooper" - someone let a deluded Abaddon fan try to retcon his lack of stature...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I'd rather Cataphractii and Tartaros pads, especially the latter. I don't think FW every made any Chapter-specific ones for that type.

Yeah, they never made Tartaros pads except for the first run when they had the Crux Terminatos symbol on the left shoulder. They made a few Cataphractii pads though - World Eaters, Death Guard, Iron Hands, Sons of Horus, Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors. The Iron Warriors and Alpha Legion one's were pretty good:





Hopefully we'll see a MTO of those...

God those Alpha Legion shoulder pads look great.

A have a set of Cataphractii pads for my World Eaters. I just want something similar for the Tartaros armour.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A have a set of Cataphractii pads for my World Eaters. I just want something similar for the Tartaros armour.

There's always the "brrrr" option:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Ranulf was the wolf. Pollux was big. That's the first time I heard of Abaddon being a giant (I can't stand the guy that writes Black Legion though so it's not like I've read any of the Abaddon stories in recent years).

I'm not sure Abaddon was a "giant", but I recall in the first couple of HH novels he's described as being larger than regular Space Marines, and his size is often referenced when it talks about him being intimidating or when other Marines have to hold him back.

Abaddon has always had him rumored to be a clone of Horus as part of his fluff. That wasn't a big deal in 2nd ed because the Primarchs hadn't been embiggened yet. Once GW decided to do that, as a consequence Abaddon had to be embiggened as well for that part of his fluff to still be credible.

I'm pretty sure they ruled that out as part of the ADB 40k Black Legion books.