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The HH books rule it out too. There are stories/flashbacks of Abaddon on Cthonia. Though his friends during that time were analogs of the four chaos gods, so.......

 Dysartes wrote:

And yet, everyone knew he was "short for a stormtrooper" - someone let a deluded Abaddon fan try to retcon his lack of stature...

I mean the old model was tiny because it was never updated past 3rd edition Terminator sizes. I've never seen it written anywhere that Abaddon was smaller than the average Astartes.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
A have a set of Cataphractii pads for my World Eaters. I just want something similar for the Tartaros armour.

There's always the "brrrr" option:

Spoiler:

Abaddon is the chaos lord of chaos lords so of course he's massive. His 2nd ed mini was the biggest terminator mini at the time and now he's the biggest space marine mini. Yes, Abaddon could beat your dude in a fight. Yes, if Abaddon said "jump" your dude would ask "how high". This is canon. Stay mad.

JSG wrote:
Abaddon is the chaos lord of chaos lords so of course he's massive. His 2nd ed mini was the biggest terminator mini at the time and now he's the biggest space marine mini. Yes, Abaddon could beat your dude in a fight. Yes, if Abaddon said "jump" your dude would ask "how high". This is canon. Stay mad.

I was mentioning Abaddon in the context of the HH though, so before he was a Chaos Lord. He was described as being big in the Horus Rising book, i.e. pre-heresy.

And he's only 1 example of a big Space Marine, there's been others, Ranulf and Polux have both been mentioned as being larger than normal also.

Primaris marine in the heresy confirmed.

As far as I know The Black Legion books only hint at the *possibility* Abaddon is a Horus Clone. Abaddon is suspected to be one by the narrator (who is, as people seem to love pointing out, incredibly unreliable). Abaddon himself never states yes or no.

However, other books as far as I know make the exact opposite claim.

 blood reaper wrote:
As far as I know The Black Legion books only hint at the *possibility* Abaddon is a Horus Clone. Abaddon is suspected to be one by the narrator (who is, as people seem to love pointing out, incredibly unreliable). Abaddon himself never states yes or no.

However, other books as far as I know make the exact opposite claim.

Yes, but even he isn't a clone, he must look like it would be a plausible assumption for people to think that in the first place. This is just one of the many inconsistencies caused by supersizing the primarchs.

Or it was always a joke/Imperial theory that once again thanks to things like 4chan and the 40k Wiki, people took as truth.

This Free Horus Heresy Mission Sees Ghastly Word Bearers Procurators Descend on the Blood Angels (Exemplary Battles - The Scouring of Gilden’s Star).

PDF Link.

New unit - Word Bearers Procurators.

I was kinda hoping for a terminator unit for the Word Bearers, but that unit's really cool!

 Gert wrote:
Or it was always a joke/Imperial theory that once again thanks to things like 4chan and the 40k Wiki, people took as truth.

It wasn't, it was an intentional mystery seed, to make the background bigger and more mysterious.
Like a lot of stuff, its been pruned away by 50+ novels.

So now in the Exemplary Battles series we have:

PDFs:
The Scouring of Gilden's Star (WB)
The Breaking of the Perfect Fortress (RG)
The Battle for Kalium Gate (EC/WS)
The Battle of Calth: Underworld War (UM)
The Battle of Perditus Umbral-51 (DA/DG)
The Battle of Armatura (WE)
The Siege of Hydra Cordatus: The Sundering of the Cadmean Citadel (IW)
The Defence of Sotha: Aegida’s Lamnet (NL)
The Battle of Pluto: Hydra’s Devastation (IF)

Units:
UM Nemesis Destroyer Squad - Themed Destroyers
DG Mortus Poisoner Squad - Themed Destroyers
WE Red Hand Destroyer Assault Squad - Themed Destroyers
WS Dark Sons of Death Squad - Themed Destroyers
IW Dominator Cohort - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
IF Huscarl Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
NL Atramentar Squad - Themed Terminators (Tartaros / Contekar?)
DA Inner Circle Knights Cenobium (Order of the Broken Claws) - New variant
EC Sun Killer Squad - Heavy Weapon / Support Squad
RG Deliverer Squad - Themed Terminators (Cataphractii)
WB Procurators - Themed Assault Squad

And are waiting for updated rules for everything (apart from the Procurators), and stuff for Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Iron Hands, Thousand Sons, Sons of Horus, Salamanders & Alpha Legion.


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Erren wrote:
I was kinda hoping for a terminator unit for the Word Bearers, but that unit's really cool!

Did they use terminators all that much? I always thought they skipped over them in favor of possessed/deamons?

It's really nice that we have some of these units with 1.0 and some with 2.0 rules. So useful.

Can't wait to play with my now defunct Order of the Broken Claw Cenobium squad.

So what, if anything, is game legal here?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
So what, if anything, is game legal here?

Right now - just the WB Procurators from The Scouring of Gilden's Star (the missions might still work, but I've not looked at them too closely). They've said everything was playtested with the new rules so hopefully an update isn't too far off...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

JSG wrote:
Abaddon is the chaos lord of chaos lords so of course he's massive. His 2nd ed mini was the biggest terminator mini at the time and now he's the biggest space marine mini. Yes, Abaddon could beat your dude in a fight. Yes, if Abaddon said "jump" your dude would ask "how high". This is canon. Stay mad.

I was mentioning Abaddon in the context of the HH though, so before he was a Chaos Lord. He was described as being big in the Horus Rising book, i.e. pre-heresy.

And he's only 1 example of a big Space Marine, there's been others, Ranulf and Polux have both been mentioned as being larger than normal also.

Yeah because torgaddon jokes that he's too big to fit in a suit or terminator armour.... Which literally makes no sense at all, but still, maybe that's the joke.

Maybe the "Abaddon is a clone-son" *originally* came from really old lore about Fabius Bile cloning Horus? And BL then kept it in as a funny little reference when they restarted the HH lore with the "new" series?

BL authors don't seem to communicate fantastically with one another.

ADBs BL books, which bring up the clone stuff (in like, a brief segment from a character who is very much an unreliable narrator) as a 'question' and its never stated one way or the other. It is also said Abaddon would not be a true clone - an altered one - but not a true clone.

In the Siege of Terra books, Abaddon is *not* a clone and this is made as like, a fact. Abaddon is not a clone - he was born on Cthonia.

Maybe the real clone-Abaddon was the friends we made along the way?

So to confirm all of those Exemplary Battle Units are only usable within those missions?

Altramentar for NL would be incredible.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't normally do the "3D printer go brrrr!" thing, but I do wonder how much they're going to charge for those made-2-order Iron Warrior/Dark Angel pads.

If you don´t want to spend the cash doing a free-hand for a legion symbol is the next best option. Doing this right now with the rest of my unpainted 40K SM stuff.

EldarExarch wrote:
So to confirm all of those Exemplary Battle Units are only usable within those missions?

Altramentar for NL would be incredible.

They're getting updated at some point to be in line with the new edition. Just not sure when. Possibly July which is like next week.

EldarExarch wrote:
So to confirm all of those Exemplary Battle Units are only usable within those missions?

Altramentar for NL would be incredible.

My understanding is they can be used in anything, I dont see why they would be locked to the missions.

Ah, reminding me how they made a second unique terminator for Night Lords and still got it wrong. I honestly can't grasp how dumb they are to make two unique Tartaros armored units. For the love of god give them Cataphracti, or let them choose.

 blood reaper wrote:
BL authors don't seem to communicate fantastically with one another.

ADBs BL books, which bring up the clone stuff (in like, a brief segment from a character who is very much an unreliable narrator) as a 'question' and its never stated one way or the other. It is also said Abaddon would not be a true clone - an altered one - but not a true clone.

In the Siege of Terra books, Abaddon is *not* a clone and this is made as like, a fact. Abaddon is not a clone - he was born on Cthonia.

there's nothing odd here guys and no communication problem.,

Rumors of Abaddon being a clone of Horus, and notes that he's exceptionally large have been around since the guy was introduced in 40k. the entire "sons of horus" thing, where the SoH geneseed makes legionaares look like Horus was in fact created to address this when the HH novels where first written. The rumor is one that has been stated to exist ICly. and it's one that we've known for some time is false. there's no "communication problem" there's just a rumor we know is bs

Yea. Why is it problem to have in-universe bogus rumours? It just adds flavour.

Of course　players have bad habit of taking it extreme. In universe ad mech speculating orks doing crazy stuff with belief and players take it as gospel and think orks shoot with empty boxes...

 Gert wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

And yet, everyone knew he was "short for a stormtrooper" - someone let a deluded Abaddon fan try to retcon his lack of stature...

I mean the old model was tiny because it was never updated past 3rd edition Terminator sizes. I've never seen it written anywhere that Abaddon was smaller than the average Astartes.

^ Can we say this.

Abaddon has ALWAYS been a big boy. At the time his 2nd ed model was released it was enormous. It dwarfed other non-Monster SCs and was bigger than other Terminator models from that era.

He only became 'small' when his sculpt was never updated over the years. Yes, scale creep HAS taken place - you only need to compare the plastic Terminators to their 2nd ed counterparts to see that. You only need to compare a RT SM to a 2nd ed SM then to a 3rd ed SM.

A lot of the older SC models seemed 'small' because their sculpts were never updated - and GW's reasoning for that was that their aesthetic design was considered 'iconic' enough to remain as is.

Yes ofc he was well sized for his time. Isn't this just a Star Wars joke?

Interesting to have so many Destroyer themed units. Really hoping they get a plastic kit.

The Word Bearers apothecary thing is super thematic and cool. I love these little extra bits.

Stuff like this gives people reason to convert and kitbash. Y'know, to actually participate in the hobby instead of building things only how they come in the box...