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Well, GW basically invalidated their entire infantry range with the scale change, so either I'm waiting months or years until they replace it, or I just print everything, not give GW a dime, and not care how the official models will look. They did this to themselves. I'm even gonna splurge for a new 8k, large plate printer, it costs as much as 10 resin jetbikes that aren't even scaled to the new plastics. And I need way more than 10.
I don't really think the scale change is noticeable?
My mark III, IV, V (Forgeworld) and VI all look to be within normal human variation.
I've attached a couple of photos. Certainly on the table top I don't imagine it would be noticeable.
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Frankly, I don't think the regular Marines are remotely the biggest victim of scale creep - but it is very noticeable in case of Terminators and Characters. Some of the new characters, and especially Terminator ones literally tower head-and-shoulders over the earlier, more squat, regular Termies.
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I really wish there were a plastic terminator kit in that sort of big scale. Terminators should feel chunky and imposing. Perhaps the rumoured primaris terminators
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: Frankly, I don't think the regular Marines are remotely the biggest victim of scale creep - but it is very noticeable in case of Terminators and Characters. Some of the new characters, and especially Terminator ones literally tower head-and-shoulders over the earlier, more squat, regular Termies.
What model is that on the right? It looks quite nice if a bit ornate.
It’s Tartaros. The store description is wrong. It’s pretty damn obvious in that photo of it side by side with normal Tartaros that they’re the same base armour.
Crimson wrote: I really wish there were a plastic terminator kit in that sort of big scale. Terminators should feel chunky and imposing. Perhaps the rumoured primaris terminators
If you can stomach 3rd party sellers, Tortuga bay produce amazing gigantic terminators that still require GW parts.
ImAGeek wrote: It’s Tartaros. The store description is wrong. It’s pretty damn obvious in that photo of it side by side with normal Tartaros that they’re the same base armour.
Except that Tartaros armor doesn't have the double plated shoulders, like cataphracti does which are present.
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ImAGeek wrote: It’s Tartaros. The store description is wrong. It’s pretty damn obvious in that photo of it side by side with normal Tartaros that they’re the same base armour.
Except that Tartaros armor doesn't have the double plated shoulders, like cataphracti does which are present.
So the fact that an artificer has fitted another layer of armour over the plain shoulder pads turns it from Tartaros armour to another pattern? I’m not even convinced the shoulders are different to normal Tartaros pads. They look like a pad over a pad shaped area, which is exactly what Tartaros is like, just with different shaped pads and massive trim.
The layers look the same to me:
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I'm gonna end this discussion once and for all, you can quite easily tell it's a Tartaros just by looking at the model's back. Cataphractii and Tartaros models have completely differently looking power packs and vent designs, which are also keep almost the exact same between different characters in said armour, not changing depending on the exact user. As evidence;
Night Lords Praetor (Tartaros)
Blood Angels Praetor (Tartaros)
White Scars Praetor (Cataphractii)
Dark Angels Praetor (Cataphractii)
By comparison with all those models, one can ser the Imperial Fist one has the same structure of his power back and vents as the other Tartaros Terminator Praetors, thus meaning it's Tartaros armour.
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"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm gonna end this discussion once and for all, you can quite easily tell it's a Tartaros just by looking at the model's back. Cataphractii and Tartaros models have completely differently looking power packs and vent designs, which are also keep almost the exact same between different characters in said armour, not changing depending on the exact user. As evidence;
Night Lords Praetor (Tartaros)
Blood Angels Praetor (Tartaros)
White Scars Praetor (Cataphractii)
Dark Angels Praetor (Cataphractii)
By comparison with all those models, one can ser the Imperial Fist one has the same structure of his power back and vents as the other Tartaros Terminator Praetors, thus meaning it's Tartaros armour.
Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm gonna end this discussion once and for all, you can quite easily tell it's a Tartaros just by looking at the model's back. Cataphractii and Tartaros models have completely differently looking power packs and vent designs, which are also keep almost the exact same between different characters in said armour, not changing depending on the exact user. As evidence;
Night Lords Praetor (Tartaros)
Blood Angels Praetor (Tartaros)
White Scars Praetor (Cataphractii)
Dark Angels Praetor (Cataphractii)
By comparison with all those models, one can ser the Imperial Fist one has the same structure of his power back and vents as the other Tartaros Terminator Praetors, thus meaning it's Tartaros armour.
Also the same Legs, Arms and Torso.
Aye, aye, of course. I just didn't feel like writing up such a long post when just the backpacks will do the job easily.
"Tabletop games are the only setting when a body is made more horrifying for NOT being chopped into smaller pieces."
- Jiado
Well, GW basically invalidated their entire infantry range with the scale change, so either I'm waiting months or years until they replace it, or I just print everything, not give GW a dime, and not care how the official models will look. They did this to themselves. I'm even gonna splurge for a new 8k, large plate printer, it costs as much as 10 resin jetbikes that aren't even scaled to the new plastics. And I need way more than 10.
I don't really think the scale change is noticeable?
The Salamanders I'm working on are mk6 and mk3, and my Word Bearers are plastic 6, 4 and 3, resin 4 and 5 and whatever ashen circle are (2? 3?) , and one can tell the difference by getting eye level with the models and forming them into a Usual Suspects lineup. Thankfully I don't play games with my head and cheek pressed on the table surface, so there's visually no difference when they're on the table when viewed like a reasonable human being
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Wha-Mu-077 wrote: I'm gonna end this discussion once and for all, you can quite easily tell it's a Tartaros just by looking at the model's back. Cataphractii and Tartaros models have completely differently looking power packs and vent designs, which are also keep almost the exact same between different characters in said armour, not changing depending on the exact user. As evidence;
Night Lords Praetor (Tartaros)
Blood Angels Praetor (Tartaros)
White Scars Praetor (Cataphractii)
Dark Angels Praetor (Cataphractii)
By comparison with all those models, one can ser the Imperial Fist one has the same structure of his power back and vents as the other Tartaros Terminator Praetors, thus meaning it's Tartaros armour.
Also the same Legs, Arms and Torso.
Aye, aye, of course. I just didn't feel like writing up such a long post when just the backpacks will do the job easily.
ya know here's a thought, we know that sometime DURING the Heresy, Saturine pattern armor was developed. fanon has long used the term for the "early model" look, but what if Saturine armor is a "MK V" terminator armor, that is essentially a blend of both?
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BrianDavion wrote: ya know here's a thought, we know that sometime DURING the Heresy, Saturine pattern armor was developed. fanon has long used the term for the "early model" look, but what if Saturine armor is a "MK V" terminator armor, that is essentially a blend of both?
4Unless there's been retcons that i've missed, (and there's every chance of that), isn't this Saturnine pattern armour?
BrianDavion wrote: ya know here's a thought, we know that sometime DURING the Heresy, Saturine pattern armor was developed. fanon has long used the term for the "early model" look, but what if Saturine armor is a "MK V" terminator armor, that is essentially a blend of both?
4Unless there's been retcons that i've missed, (and there's every chance of that), isn't this Saturnine pattern armour?
Has anyone slipped in a squad or two of the Venerated Horus Termies into a game of Space Hulk yet?
As to the scale creep- They work great with older figures, Just as you'd think with the use of handed down equipment. Mixing and matching squads of the different types of armor looks like it's going to give you some variety.
I'm not seeing them to such as extreme as adding in some old school Rogue Trader termies to a set of Moderns, but you can see that there is a slight creep in the scales of the different armors, if you have the two boxed table top game sets, and the new Mark 6 marine contingents.
One thing though- No one told me that this brand of Horus crack was THIS addictive.
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ListenToMeWarriors wrote: Am I missing something with not being able to find the Leviathan up for pre order on the NZ/Aus GW site? Wanted to have a gander at the sprues.
Not available down under for now - was mentioned on last week's WHC preorder page
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