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 Prometheum5 wrote:

EldarExarch wrote:
*Nervousness for Night Lord Helmets intensifies*

How do you feel about bat wings?

Giant, erect bat wings.

Geez, next dumpster fire incoming.

 Prometheum5 wrote:

EldarExarch wrote:
*Nervousness for Night Lord Helmets intensifies*

How do you feel about bat wings?

Bat wings are fine, when done well. Think: Sevatar and Night Raptors. Honestly, just offering the Night Raptors heads separately would be fine, as long as they keep making the Terror Squad heads as well.

I recently read someone lamenting that SW used to be more Vikings that included wolf stuff and that now they are mostly wolf stuff with some viking bits.

 Ahtman wrote:
I recently read someone lamenting that SW used to be more Vikings that included wolf stuff and that now they are mostly wolf stuff with some viking bits.

In this case they completely forgot the "viking" bits.

I for one welcome my Dragon Skull helms

the helmet's been around for a long time, GW is just taking a minor bit and giving us a subtle lore deep dive.

The helmet design has been around even longer than that, Brian - at least 30 years, at this point.

I'm just questioning the fact that there're 10 of them...

 Dysartes wrote:
The helmet design has been around even longer than that, Brian - at least 30 years, at this point.

The wolf helmet has certainly been around almost as long as the Space Wolves have themselves... in 40K. This particular version of it, however, is for Space Wovles at a time when, according to the background material, they really dislike being associated with wolves... It's the exact opposite of a 'subtle lore deep dive'.

I mean, it is what it is. If GW have chosen to take 30K SW in the same 'all wolf, all the time' direction as their 40K counterparts, then that's certainly their prerogative. It's their playground. I just think it's a disappointing choice.

 Dysartes wrote:
The helmet design has been around even longer than that, Brian - at least 30 years, at this point.

Wolf helmets are one thing, but I specifically don't like this one as much as the previous ones, and even the previous ones were only really okay as a one off thing here and there (originally it was only the Captain model) makes it look like some modification an individual has made, super gluing a wolf face on to the front of their helmet.

The new ones have a distinctly more furry vibe to them, at least to my eye, and to have a pack of 10 instead, they also look more mass produced (even if it was only 1 of them, it looks like they've come off a machine rather than being some custom crafted item).

And yeah, the whole thing about 30k being a bastion from the more absurd side of the wolf stuff, GW clearly didn't get that it's one of the things people like about 30k SW over 40k SW.

Not really a Space Wolf player, but it seems a big miss given how good the FW upgrade packs are and weird because it’s massively inconsistent.

 Jadenim wrote:
Not really a Space Wolf player, but it seems a big miss given how good the FW upgrade packs are and weird because it’s massively inconsistent.

Your avatar makes me realise one of the reasons I don't like the look of these helmets, they look more like badger heads than wolf heads.

So if anyone wanted to start their Space Badgers Legion, I guess now is your opportunity.

Special event only mini inbound...

I do like the basic Wolf's Head Helm design when you see it side on, but I don't think the entire pack - heh - of helmets for the Wolves should have been that style, if that makes sense?

Maybe one of the groups of three, or even just as the helmeted single (possibly with the top-knot as an optional element).

They would have been better off doing wolf heads sat over normal helmets like on Horus shoulder guard but smaller.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Special event only mini inbound...

That actually looks pretty cool!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Jadenim wrote:
Not really a Space Wolf player, but it seems a big miss given how good the FW upgrade packs are and weird because it’s massively inconsistent.

Your avatar makes me realise one of the reasons I don't like the look of these helmets, they look more like badger heads than wolf heads.

So if anyone wanted to start their Space Badgers Legion, I guess now is your opportunity.

I frequently fail to see wolves in GW's "wolf" helmets. I think the old captain was fine, but the 5th ed badger helmet marked the end of GW's ability to make helmets that actually resemble a wolf.

I'm getting a similar feeling from these new upgrades. There's something off about them. And on a more subjective level, something about the style says third party sculpt to me. Not sure what it is exactly.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Special event only mini inbound...

Definite proof the upgrade set is exactly what many people wanted, just enough parts to make one model look special.

I can't wait for the Iron Hands set to come with 10 hand-shaped helmets.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I can't wait for the Iron Hands set to come with 10 hand-shaped helmets.

The Iron Hands head set will be the set that comes without heads, silly.

Marduk Sedras is up, at the hefty price of £35. All the heads, pads & torsos are £14.50.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Special event only mini inbound...

I actually kind of like the shoulder pads on that…

 insaniak wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
The helmet design has been around even longer than that, Brian - at least 30 years, at this point.

The wolf helmet has certainly been around almost as long as the Space Wolves have themselves... in 40K. This particular version of it, however, is for Space Wovles at a time when, according to the background material, they really dislike being associated with wolves... It's the exact opposite of a 'subtle lore deep dive'.

I mean, it is what it is. If GW have chosen to take 30K SW in the same 'all wolf, all the time' direction as their 40K counterparts, then that's certainly their prerogative. It's their playground. I just think it's a disappointing choice.

And Yet Leman russ had a wolf shaped helmet made for him prior to the heresy. (codex spacewolves 2nd edition- wolf helm of russ) it makes the wearer cause fear - maybe the space wolves were extra scary when the emperor made russ wear the wolf mask.

 Jadenim wrote:

Racerguy180 wrote:
Special event only mini inbound...

I actually kind of like the shoulder pads on that…

Other than the feet and wolfonet, I'm actually OK with getting that shoop as a model...

 Geifer wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I can't wait for the Iron Hands set to come with 10 hand-shaped helmets.

The Iron Hands head set will be the set that comes without heads, silly.

Hahahaha. Very good.

Racerguy180 wrote:
Special event only mini inbound...

Scalpers will be all over this one!

I don't think I have seen anyone argue that there have never been wolf head helmets before so the response that they have made them before doesn't really go to the issue at hand. They used to be occasional, such as a sergeants or hq types, but now they are seemingly pushing them to be on every marine. It is an issue of overuse not whether they existed in the past.

That would be a very deliberate choice on behalf of the buyer. A more sensible purchase for a guy with 50 marines in his army would be one pack of these and one pack of any other legion and it would look fine if you actually like the wolf head. I'm not overly keen on it but it's not the worst thing ever, as is (predictably) the claim of most that don't like it.

 Plant wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
The helmet design has been around even longer than that, Brian - at least 30 years, at this point.

The wolf helmet has certainly been around almost as long as the Space Wolves have themselves... in 40K. This particular version of it, however, is for Space Wovles at a time when, according to the background material, they really dislike being associated with wolves... It's the exact opposite of a 'subtle lore deep dive'.

I mean, it is what it is. If GW have chosen to take 30K SW in the same 'all wolf, all the time' direction as their 40K counterparts, then that's certainly their prerogative. It's their playground. I just think it's a disappointing choice.

And Yet Leman russ had a wolf shaped helmet made for him prior to the heresy. (codex spacewolves 2nd edition- wolf helm of russ) it makes the wearer cause fear - maybe the space wolves were extra scary when the emperor made russ wear the wolf mask.

That was one of those items that was "according to legend..." and I don't believe the 2nd ed codex ever stated it for fact that Russ actually had it, but maybe it's stated somewhere else.

The Wolf Helm of Russ is carried by Ulrik the Slayer and was a wolf skull design, this is the 2nd ed Ulrik model...

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/File:Ulrik.gif



I think the Space Wolf Captain was the first model to have a wolf head helmet, I think it came out in 2nd edition but I don't know what what year it came out, but it wasn't pictured in the 2nd edition codex from what I can see.

But yeah, it's not really an argument that wolf helmets haven't existed before, it's, 1) these ones look particularly bad and 2) they were previously a rare thing probably crafted by some weirdo and bolted to the front of his helmet, not an actual pattern of production helmet, 3) 30k has previously been a haven away from the wolf-surdity of 40k.

Lol GW. $28 CAD for 10 shoulder pads.



3D printing services are really going to eat into FW's margins.

If Ulrik wears the actual wolf helmet odds are it would not been worn by Russ. Head would not fit inside so "according to legends" is apt