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 godardc wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The only non-MkVI part is the changed beak. It very much is a MkVI helmet.

Well, seeing as the beak IS the featuring part of a MKVI where the additional / improved sensors are located, taking it off pretty much negates the main feature of a MKVI, visually and in universe, but ok

Iron Hands are really quite smart when it comes to machines. They've downsized the improved sensors.

 godardc wrote:
Well, seeing as the beak IS the featuring part of a MKVI where the additional / improved sensors are located, taking it off pretty much negates the main feature of a MKVI, visually and in universe, but ok

The rest of the helmet is objectively MkVI though. Like it's not even like some of the other upgrade sets that were supposed to be specific armour Marks but objectively weren't like the Dark Angels and White Scares MkII sets:

VAYASEN wrote:
Just a quick question from a lover of 40k since launch....

How is 30k doing in general? Not followed it at all..but have a general interested due to the link to 40k obviously.

Dont honestly think ill invest in it....I would...but just another set of rules to learn.

Just genuinely interested if its doing well/taken off.



Was always disappointed 40k Epic didnt survive (officially)...loved the game.

Sorry about being late to the party, but I don't get to come in here everyday. If you like 40k, I think 30k is a lot better, it plays better and is less complex with all the strategiums and command point shennanigans. The game is very interesting and seems to be welcomed by all who play it. The box set offers a lot of value which is pretty decent for starting out.

Now the bads... GW totally botched the release. Many of the items you need are out of stock pretty much since they have been released. The rhinos in particular which seems a pretty much auto include are impossible to come by and when the come in stock they disappear as soon as they are back. Their releases have been very sporatic at best. They are missing some of the major units that would be needed for several of the legions. This has put a lot of people off from playing or caused them to quit. The enthusiasm seems to be heavily losing steam.

It is hard to say the longevity of it. The game is great, the way the releases are going is beyond horrible and the momentum is fading.

I think they'll make good alternate Primaris heads for those of us who don't like the pseudo-Mk.IV they have.

angel of death 007 wrote:

VAYASEN wrote:
Just a quick question from a lover of 40k since launch....

How is 30k doing in general? Not followed it at all..but have a general interested due to the link to 40k obviously.

Dont honestly think ill invest in it....I would...but just another set of rules to learn.

Just genuinely interested if its doing well/taken off.



Was always disappointed 40k Epic didnt survive (officially)...loved the game.

Sorry about being late to the party, but I don't get to come in here everyday. If you like 40k, I think 30k is a lot better, it plays better and is less complex with all the strategiums and command point shennanigans. The game is very interesting and seems to be welcomed by all who play it. The box set offers a lot of value which is pretty decent for starting out.

Now the bads... GW totally botched the release. Many of the items you need are out of stock pretty much since they have been released. The rhinos in particular which seems a pretty much auto include are impossible to come by and when the come in stock they disappear as soon as they are back. Their releases have been very sporatic at best. They are missing some of the major units that would be needed for several of the legions. This has put a lot of people off from playing or caused them to quit. The enthusiasm seems to be heavily losing steam.

It is hard to say the longevity of it. The game is great, the way the releases are going is beyond horrible and the momentum is fading.

Spotty supply issues are nothing new for GW when it comes to releasing brand new kits. Checking the US site right now, Rhinos are in stock. If there's anything you desperately need, click the 'e-mail me' button next to the out of stock unit of choice. They're actively pumping out more plastic.

The release schedule has been very VERY strange. We've gotten dreadnoughts and tanks and not a lot else. Many legions are waiting on basic troops. Assault Marines, Despoilers, Breachers, are all key things that some legions simply can't be flavorful or function properly without.

I won't say "the releases are beyond horrible and the momentum is fading" however. There's a lot still to come. Once we get past the holidays, I'm sure 30k stuff will pick up steam again. After all, the Starter Box for 30k is still available and will be a popular X-mas purchase for those that didn't grab one on release.

GW have a butt-ton to release. Once we see plastic assault marines, the floodgates will open back up again.

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Personally I feel the issue is overblown. It takes most people months to build and paint their army. Work on what you -can- get and then get the rest when it becomes available - hasn't failed me yet.

GW is going to continue having supply issues as long as the WORLD has supply issues, which will continue to be a problem. Couple that with Brexit, a war in eastern europe, and who knows what else and all I have to say to anyone that's willing to turn a blind eye to any of that is: Learn some dang patience.

GW works on a time scale much longer than, say, a video game developer. The previous edition of 30k lasted a decade. That's how long it took to get all the primarchs done up in resin. Some people went to 3d printing, sure, but many people waited to either finish their collection of primarchs or to get the one they were waiting for. It sucks to have to wait for a thing you want...

but all this to say: I think you're overblowing the issues.

That point stands....if some legions didn't require assaults, despoilers, etc to "work"(i.e. operate in lore).

I understand they want to balance out releases, but all of the infantry should be done rather quickly. The plethora of vehicles is cool, but for each release slot(looking at you Leviathan/heavy weapon sprue) they took up with a "not" dual kit, there wasn't at minimum a jumppack/chainsword sprue is kinda weird.

Racerguy180 wrote:
That point stands....if some legions didn't require assaults, despoilers, etc to "work"(i.e. operate in lore).

I understand they want to balance out releases, but all of the infantry should be done rather quickly. The plethora of vehicles is cool, but for each release slot(looking at you Leviathan/heavy weapon sprue) they took up with a "not" dual kit, there wasn't at minimum a jumppack/chainsword sprue is kinda weird.

Yeah absolutely.

Funny enough, I don't see printing out all these tanks as being a balanced release. We've gotten nearly all of the Heavy Support tank options in the Astartes books, but zero of the Fast Attack and only a handful of other options.

My running theory is that they're trying to clear out resin from FW. By knocking out a lot of the tanks, they're making it so that FW doesn't have to produce those kits, so they can clear out that inventory and work space.
Tanks were also a thing that were priced pretty prohibitively compared to other things in 30k in the past. Having them and dreadnoughts in plastic now lets people make the squadrons/talons of their dreams.

I'll definitely start changing my tune if we get into February or March and still haven't even gotten a HINT or RUMOR of some of the key troop or fast attack options for 30k. As it is, I've got 20 space marines, 4 tanks, and 3 contemptors to paint.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

 Gert wrote:
The only non-MkVI part is the changed beak. It very much is a MkVI helmet.

You might argue that the beak is the last thing you should remove from the armor mark that got its nickname from it.

I suppose the designers didn't feel like the rest of the helmet provides an opportunity for 18 different designs, but it's still a dodgy choice. Maybe they should have made alternate chest plates instead of helmets.

With the new way the bodies are cut, chest plates would be quite limited in use. Heads and shoulders are basically universal across the marine range.

True, but that's just a consequence of cramming five Marines on one and a half sprues instead of making a Mk.VI kit that is comparable to other Marine core squads like they should have. Removing the beak from a beakie helmet is just doubling down on a bad decision.

There will surely be a full heresy era tactical kit released at some point (hopefully soon) and this will provide a good number of opportunities.

JWBS wrote:
There will surely be a full heresy era tactical kit released at some point (hopefully soon) and this will provide a good number of opportunities.

What do you mean? That’s what the MkVI kit (and the III and IV) are.

I mean a box with two unique medium-size sprues and a lot of options included, the current mkvi is one small sprue plus one very small upgrade sprue (I think, I haven't bought the standalone kit, I only got the AoD box)

The Mk3 and 4 are full kits, with heavy and special weapons and all. Just a bit... short.

JWBS wrote:
There will surely be a full heresy era tactical kit released at some point (hopefully soon) and this will provide a good number of opportunities.

The MkVI kit contains everything you need to make Heresy Tactical squads, though? The way they did it honestly is the best way they could do it with how Heresy squads work with equipment.

JWBS wrote:
I mean a box with two unique medium-size sprues and a lot of options included, the current mkvi is one small sprue plus one very small upgrade sprue (I think, I haven't bought the standalone kit, I only got the AoD box)

I’m not a huge fan of the MkVI kit for the same reason, but I don’t think there’s a fuller kit coming.

I think the idea is that the Mark 3, 4, and 6 kits gives us Tacticals, while the Mark 6 kit + the various upgrade kits give us some of the other infantry options like HSS, TSS, etc. Whether they expand the number of upgrade kits to cover other infantry options or introduce new kits for those is the question.

Maybe not, considering the separate weapon packs, but that would be some sad regression given the limited poses (this could be mitigated with the release of assault marines I suppose) and lack of unique heads (Primaris heads being too large).

Keel wrote:

 Irbis wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
It would mean carrying over the same leg poses for most of the army, plus potentially giving up on the classic jump pack straps over the torso design aesthetic which has been a constant for jump troops for decades now.

You mean, the ""constant"" ""classic"" design aesthetic HH peed all over, forgotten, shot and dumped in shallow grave ages ago?

Spoiler:

In most of those cases you have some kind of torso plate which serves the same purpose as the straps. But it is an issue in some cases (also with the Death Company marines).

They certainly do, though the point is that "straps across the chest" design point hasn't been much of a "rule" for quite a few years now...

Heresy Thursday – The Ultramines Muster for Macragge With MKVI Upgrade Kits

I don't even play Ultramarines and I kind of want some of those heads for the pre-laid out rank stripe.

So we get Wolfy McWolf-Face SW "Mk6" and Techmarine-style IH "Mk6", but not even a single Praetor-pattern helmet for the UM ?

Pass.

Well, the normal heads look good, the special ones not so.

The only bad head there is the bare head, he looks likes having a particularly bad bowel movement...

 Platuan4th wrote:
I don't even play Ultramarines and I kind of want some of those heads for the pre-laid out rank stripe.

Good point - I'll be picking up some of these for just that purpose!

Those look pretty good, actually.

Good for making helmet stripes! Pretty boring, but maybe that's good.

 ph34r wrote:
Pretty boring, but maybe that's good.

Ultramarines in a nutshell

 ph34r wrote:
Good for making helmet stripes! Pretty boring, but maybe that's good.

Yes exactly: those are finally good helmets. They look like helmets, they look like MVI helmets, and they look like Ultramarine MKVI helmets
At long last, something that isn't overdone.
This is eventually a solid release for HH

 ph34r wrote:
Good for making helmet stripes! Pretty boring, but maybe that's good.

They are pretty boring, but then again, what were we expecting?

They're Ultramarines, a group not exactly known for being outlandish or ostentatious.