Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 Geifer wrote:
On the day they remember that close combat is a thing we'll get a melee weapon upgrade sprue for the Mk.II tank commander and still be out of infantry options.

"Introducing: Assault Tanks, the next step forward in close assault armour!"

And it's literally just a sword part to give to the pintle gunner.

Not Online!!! wrote:
it's the equivalent of the Sturmtiger in 30k

Erm, no. It has a gun. If anything, it's a Brummbär. Sturmtiger was stupidly armed with rocket assisted depth charge projector (Yes, that thing that is used to attack submarines. On land. No, like most of Nazi designs it doesn't make any sense.). Though, funnily enough, GW designers kept holes in "barrel" Sturmtiger had, without understanding what they were for or the fact that drilling them in real cannon barrel would cause it to burst, go figure...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One day they'll remember that close combat is a thing in HH, and that infantry play a big role in that part of the game

Primaris: first time?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
No, the top hatch is not in line with the barrel. If you'd just looked for a shot of the resin kit you could have ascertained this for yourself. But perhaps you felt that your weak attempts at wit were too important to sully with facts?

Facts, in case you actually want some, is that this gun would need a ridiculously heavy recoil system and mounts - here, have a real life gun of similar caliber where they tried to reduce width by as much as possible by mounting recoil dampeners above and under the gun (which can't be done in Typhon, too low for that - and before someone says the small cylinders are supposed to be dampeners, too tiny and there are just two of them when below smaller gun has four bigger ones, unless Typhon has really small powder charge which funnily enough would fit 24 inch range) and yet the mountings nearly tripled the width of the gun. So, yeah, hatch might not be 'technically' right above the barrel but it's still right where the mount would be:



Speaking of the hatch, though, never mind the gun, how the hell the commander actually goes inside? Pauldrons make him way too wide to enter, does he discard them each time he needs to duck inside?

Considering the cartoon aesthetics of the 40k toy line, that's a bizarre hill to want to do die on. GW has generally not cared about tank commander pauldrons that much. The original Razorback gunner has a special jumbo-sized hatch to climb out of, whereas some figures, like the original Vindicator gunner, were depicted without pauldrons entirely. But since then, they've generally just given Marine tanks the standard Imperial sized crew hatches

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Considering the cartoon aesthetics of the 40k toy line, that's a bizarre hill to want to do die on. GW has generally not cared about tank commander pauldrons that much. The original Razorback gunner has a special jumbo-sized hatch to climb out of, whereas some figures, like the original Vindicator gunner, were depicted without pauldrons entirely. But since then, they've generally just given Marine tanks the standard Imperial sized crew hatches

And the Mk II tank crewer has extra detail on the arms if the pauldrons are left off. I actually find it easier to shave down a bit of the detail when I attach the pauldrons so they glue better.

Bolters and Baneblades both have self propelled rounds. Typhon can easily be the same way.

 Irbis wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
it's the equivalent of the Sturmtiger in 30k

Erm, no. It has a gun. If anything, it's a Brummbär. Sturmtiger was stupidly armed with rocket assisted depth charge projector (Yes, that thing that is used to attack submarines. On land. No, like most of Nazi designs it doesn't make any sense.). Though, funnily enough, GW designers kept holes in "barrel" Sturmtiger had, without understanding what they were for or the fact that drilling them in real cannon barrel would cause it to burst, go figure...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
One day they'll remember that close combat is a thing in HH, and that infantry play a big role in that part of the game

Primaris: first time?

Eh its pretty in line with the Sturmtiger, if its shells are rocket assisted than those holes in the barrel would assist the rocket in launching, plus they'd help reduce its weight.

 Irbis wrote:

Primaris: first time?

TO BE FAIR, the Primaris issue was a lack of sheets. The models have been there whenever the units have existed, the issue has just been an utter lack of melee sheets for them to use.

I think GW is trolling at this point. Bet we get 2 more weeks of upgrade showcases, then the Deimos Vindicator announced.

In other news, seems like jetbikes have finally gone OOP at FW; Plastic jetbikes imminent?

Skipping that Typhon, not a fan of the model. The only Land Raider variant I'm interested in anymore is a Helios, and those were dropped in 2.0, correct?

For what it's worth, the Marine Jetbikes have vanished from the Forge World site. That happened with the Typhon before they showed off the plastic one.

I can find a home in my lists for Jetbikes

 tauist wrote:
In other news, seems like jetbikes have finally gone OOP at FW; Plastic jetbikes imminent?

Skipping that Typhon, not a fan of the model. The only Land Raider variant I'm interested in anymore is a Helios, and those were dropped in 2.0, correct?

Unfortunately yes, it's not even in legends.
I love mine and used it basically every game of 8th I played.

Ooh I would be very interested in some plastic jetbikes.

What do we think the pricing of them will be? The newst 1st born bikes are the ravenwing and they're $77AUD, the primaris Outriders are $98AUD, so i'd place a set of 3 jetbikes at about $110-115AUD. Way overpriced, but plastic and hopefully come with all the options.

Whatever it is, it'll have to be cheaper than the old ones cost. I wanted to go back and check the prices, but the modern FW website really doesn't like the wayback machine, it seems.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Whatever it is, it'll have to be cheaper than the old ones cost. I wanted to go back and check the prices, but the modern FW website really doesn't like the wayback machine, it seems.

Think they were £35 each, 3 for £90, so there is a lot of room to be cheaper but still very expensive!

One tank they could do that is VERY possible is the Legion Glaive / Legion Falchion would be a cash cow for GW ...One box all options like the Baneblade..However many people just get baneblades and Shadowswords and Doomhammers because of the Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF that was released..

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Whatever it is, it'll have to be cheaper than the old ones cost. I wanted to go back and check the prices, but the modern FW website really doesn't like the wayback machine, it seems.

Bout 45€ apiece, which is why I instead bought a 500€ printer when I needed 12 of them for my list.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'm very, very interested to see plastic jetbikes as this will finally let us know if the riders are getting upscaled, and if they are, are the bikes getting upscaled also or are bigger riders being crammed into the same space as before.

 BalerionTheBlackDread wrote:
One tank they could do that is VERY possible is the Legion Glaive / Legion Falchion would be a cash cow for GW ...One box all options like the Baneblade..However many people just get baneblades and Shadowswords and Doomhammers because of the Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF that was released..

Fellblade/Glaive would be a nice kit, but would be a lot of new sprues. Only things they could reuse would be the spartan sponsons and tank accessories. Right now, most the new vehicles coming out are just single extra sprues or sprue swaps on the deimos rhino or spartan hulls. Maybe a Sicaran turret sprue later as well.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
Whatever it is, it'll have to be cheaper than the old ones cost. I wanted to go back and check the prices, but the modern FW website really doesn't like the wayback machine, it seems.

Bout 45€ apiece, which is why I instead bought a 500€ printer when I needed 12 of them for my list.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'm very, very interested to see plastic jetbikes as this will finally let us know if the riders are getting upscaled, and if they are, are the bikes getting upscaled also or are bigger riders being crammed into the same space as before.

Custodes Jetbikes are 47,50€ for three w/character options, while Primaris Excursor are 50€/ three without a lot of options, so it's probably in that ballpark depending on how many options and alternate builds the box contains. If they go five to a box with options it'll probably 75-85€ per box. At worst it'll be 100€ for 5 w/ character options etc. included.

Base kit plus extra sprue certainly seems to be GW's MO for the new Heresy kits. I think the only models so far that haven't followed this pattern are the two Preators, the Sicaran and the Kratos. And I'd be surprised if the two tanks don't have variants released in the future, especially the Sicaran as FW could retire its version.

Jetbikes could be the first non character exception to the trend though. Unless the weapon options are spread over a couple of kits like the Dreads and Predators?

A Fellblade would be great. But I think GW will want to push the Spartan and Kratos types as centrepiece models for a while yet. But who knows what the future holds? Four or five years ago this whole product line would have sounded like a massive wishlist.

I'd say these are long shots, but GW could be dual-kitting (or alternate sprueing) Sky Hunters with the return of Sky Seekers or give plastics for the Subjugator Cadres or Agamatus Squadrons.
Since GW has stayed pretty accurate to the resins, I think the Agamatus is out. Sky Seekers probably would have made it into the core book if they were getting models, so Subjugators seem the most likely.
Since there wasn't a model for them before, their bikes could - to a point, at least - be based off the scimitar jetbike. Use one sprue (or two) for the core of the bike, shared between the Sky Hunter and Subjugator boxes, and then add in a unique sprue (or two) for the front of the bike, rider, and weapon options.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 BalerionTheBlackDread wrote:
One tank they could do that is VERY possible is the Legion Glaive / Legion Falchion would be a cash cow for GW ...One box all options like the Baneblade..However many people just get baneblades and Shadowswords and Doomhammers because of the Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF that was released..

Fellblade/Glaive would be a nice kit, but would be a lot of new sprues. Only things they could reuse would be the spartan sponsons and tank accessories. Right now, most the new vehicles coming out are just single extra sprues or sprue swaps on the deimos rhino or spartan hulls. Maybe a Sicaran turret sprue later as well.

This is the way I think it will go as well... The upgrage sprues being the way to go and yes I agree seeing as watching TTT's assembly of a Fellblade looked simple even if he swapped out the hull for a plastic Baneblade one (Although I think it came with it not sure) so I can see them sticking with the Forgeworld one because as you said the sprues would need to be entirely new.

However I reckon we might be seeing Destroyer or Assault squad upgrade frames at some point..Jetbikes may be a way ways off I do like the upgrade frames that are coming for legion specific upgrades but I am sourcing a lot of my shoulder pads from Etsy for a far cheaper price if thats a path you wish to go down to save money..

 BalerionTheBlackDread wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 BalerionTheBlackDread wrote:
One tank they could do that is VERY possible is the Legion Glaive / Legion Falchion would be a cash cow for GW ...One box all options like the Baneblade..However many people just get baneblades and Shadowswords and Doomhammers because of the Legacies of the Age of Darkness PDF that was released..

Fellblade/Glaive would be a nice kit, but would be a lot of new sprues. Only things they could reuse would be the spartan sponsons and tank accessories. Right now, most the new vehicles coming out are just single extra sprues or sprue swaps on the deimos rhino or spartan hulls. Maybe a Sicaran turret sprue later as well.

This is the way I think it will go as well... The upgrage sprues being the way to go and yes I agree seeing as watching TTT's assembly of a Fellblade looked simple even if he swapped out the hull for a plastic Baneblade one (Although I think it came with it not sure) so I can see them sticking with the Forgeworld one because as you said the sprues would need to be entirely new.

However I reckon we might be seeing Destroyer or Assault squad upgrade frames at some point..Jetbikes may be a way ways off I do like the upgrade frames that are coming for legion specific upgrades but I am sourcing a lot of my shoulder pads from Etsy for a far cheaper price if thats a path you wish to go down to save money..

The fw Fellblade kit all uses the plastic Baneblade inner hull. They didn't "swap" it.

Tsagualsa wrote:
Custodes Jetbikes are 47,50€ for three w/character options, while Primaris Excursor are 50€/ three without a lot of options, so it's probably in that ballpark depending on how many options and alternate builds the box contains. If they go five to a box with options it'll probably 75-85€ per box. At worst it'll be 100€ for 5 w/ character options etc. included.

I think 3 to a box seems the most likely, though as regular bolter guys now only come 20 to a box, perhaps that is a foolish assumption?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
I think 3 to a box seems the most likely, though as regular bolter guys now only come 20 to a box, perhaps that is a foolish assumption?

2 to a box, Mournfang Cavalry style* for 1.45x the cost of current Shining Spears.

I have nothing to base this on.


*Their original release, that is, before they were reboxed.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/22/heresy-thursday-sacrifice-your-mkvi-space-marines-on-the-altar-of-style-with-word-bearers-upgrades/

Word bearers upgrades.

i don't know, the beakies just don't fit to me for WB. That said, sergant daemon helmet is a good one.

They’re alright. Nothing too OTT, but perhaps ending on bland?

Just wait: The Alpha Legion ones will be 10 identical helmetless bald heads.

Honestly surprised the bare head doesn’t look like the csm balefire sorcerer.

The champions helmet is cool but I’m not inspired enough to use it for 40k

I dunno.
Maybe I’d prefer more, shallower cuts that looked like actual designs? Currently the helmets look like they have poorly repaired battle damage.
The shoulders are much better, and the raised rim around the flame is neat.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Just wait: The Alpha Legion ones will be 10 identical helmetless bald heads.

Nah, it’ll be two sets of five identical heads that are actually mirrored. And one super-fancy helmet.

No, the Alpha Legion pack will just be a bundle pack of all the heads released for the other legions.

Anyway, I think the problem I have with some of these different head upgrades is that they're trying too hard to still match up with the beakie style. The helmet is one part where a legion could have pretty much done their own custom job and made it look like anything.