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It’s..its…very nearly (but sadly not quite) IA13 all over again!

 Kanluwen wrote:

They could at least be doing more specialized items in plastic or making more of it available directly via GW's webstore, ala the Contemptor plates & Primarchs.

If they release a model kit in resin it's mostly because they don't think that it will be popular enough to justify the production cost, HIPs has much higher up-front costs than resin. It's not like they don't understand that plastic is easier to work with for inexperienced hobbyists.

Also, why is it a big deal to you whether or not you have to buy a model from the GW website or the FW website? Why does that matter?

 Kanluwen wrote:

This product selection has been hot garbage. They could have bothered to add some of the more recent resin trash in plastic or done some stuff like the Robots as multi-build plastics.

"Hot garbage"? "Resin trash"?

Most people would much prefer if they had released plastic assault marines sooner rather than later, but this mini-rant of yours is frankly embarrasing.

Also, some people may disagree, but I love resin for the extra detail that it can hold when compared to HIPs

EDIT: Imperial Militia list is giving me some great hobby ideas

I like the detail on resin. But I hate hate hate working with the material, and actively avoid it wherever possible. Especially resin/plastic hybrid kits.

The odd infantry kit I can tolerate. So long as I have good light, a sharp blade and decent super glue they’re easy enough. But resin tanks can get squarely in the bin.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I like the detail on resin. But I hate hate hate working with the material, and actively avoid it wherever possible. Especially resin/plastic hybrid kits.

The odd infantry kit I can tolerate. So long as I have good light, a sharp blade and decent super glue they’re easy enough. But resin tanks can get squarely in the bin.

If resin tanks were off the menu we would have missed out on so many awesome Forge World vehicles: they simply wouldn't have been produced, for economic reasons.

So no thanks, lets not bin them!

Or make them all cross the Rubicon Plasticarus

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or make them all cross the Rubicon Plasticarus

I'm both disgusted and aroused

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I like the detail on resin. But I hate hate hate working with the material, and actively avoid it wherever possible. Especially resin/plastic hybrid kits.

The odd infantry kit I can tolerate. So long as I have good light, a sharp blade and decent super glue they’re easy enough. But resin tanks can get squarely in the bin.

Depends on the model, really.
40K's new crappy monopose Orkboyz or really any character without options would be preferable in a proper Resin* like ArtelW or Wargame Exclusive or even new FW models (FWs lotr models are on par with the best on the market) use as they're more detailed and more often than not need no work at all, not even removal of mold lines. And since these monoposes are not intended to be converted they might as well be in one or few parts so you don't even need glue, especially since newer GW models are more like 3d-puzzles instead models you build and position the way you want them to be.
If you go to older GW kits with proper plastic multipose models or good characters like the CSM terminator sorceror or the new Dark Angel HQ, or Eldar HQ - these make use of the advantages of plastic and are good to have in plastic instead of resin.
Also anything larger than infantry, so I do understand FWs decision to start with these.

*not talking about Failcast here, Failcast is the worst material on the market and shouldn't be considered when talking about resin at all. The first test prints of anyone with a 3d printer usually are superior to that overpriced garbage.

At first glance, I was a bit irritated with the morale stuff but then the sheer amount of new provenances, units, and upgrades made me do a complete 180.
Certain things are naff like the lack of Fire Control on the Malcador, no Russ squadrons and only Baneblades for LoW but honestly, it's still a pretty cool list.

Hmmm lots of creativity was poured into this list for sure, sadly all of it hell bent on making it suck

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Or make them all cross the Rubicon Plasticarus

Well you talk from pov of hobbyist so company running on deficit isn't worry. Gw meanwhile wants profit, not losses.

beast_gts wrote:
The Imperialis Militia! (PDF)


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The Imperialis Militia Joins the Horus Heresy in a New Exemplary Battles Download

PRAISE BE!!!!

Finally i can drown my opponents in hordes of nurglites and show those good for nothing marines what a human and a spoon can do, if there are enough of us!

 Gert wrote:
At first glance, I was a bit irritated with the morale stuff but then the sheer amount of new provenances, units, and upgrades made me do a complete 180.
Certain things are naff like the lack of Fire Control on the Malcador, no Russ squadrons and only Baneblades for LoW but honestly, it's still a pretty cool list.

If you want Russ squadrons, there’s a Provenance for that.

On the other hand if you want a bunch of not-quite-skitarii to run around as yeomen to your Mechanicum Knights, that’s also possible. I’m thinking Bretonnian peasants with skitarii guns and heads to represent Armoury of Old Night, and probably Legacy of the Great Crusade for various minor “augmentations” to their brains. Just need a fresh supply of donors; roll on TOW, I say!

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 Gert wrote:
At first glance, I was a bit irritated with the morale stuff but then the sheer amount of new provenances, units, and upgrades made me do a complete 180.
Certain things are naff like the lack of Fire Control on the Malcador, no Russ squadrons and only Baneblades for LoW but honestly, it's still a pretty cool list.

If you want Russ squadrons, there’s a Provenance for that.

On the other hand if you want a bunch of not-quite-skitarii to run around as yeomen to your Mechanicum Knights, that’s also possible. I’m thinking Bretonnian peasants with skitarii guns and heads to represent Armoury of Old Night, and probably Legacy of the Great Crusade for various minor “augmentations” to their brains. Just need a fresh supply of donors; roll on TOW, I say!

I need some time to digest all of this document, but it seems it contains almost everything you could ask for to do any sort of LotD/Militia/not-Guard styled weird stuff you could imagine. It's a toolbox of weird, not necessarily quite competitive things, which is probably what a lot of modellers and collectors wanted from it.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

If you want Russ squadrons, there’s a Provenance for that.

On the other hand if you want a bunch of not-quite-skitarii to run around as yeomen to your Mechanicum Knights, that’s also possible. I’m thinking Bretonnian peasants with skitarii guns and heads to represent Armoury of Old Night, and probably Legacy of the Great Crusade for various minor “augmentations” to their brains. Just need a fresh supply of donors; roll on TOW, I say!

Yeah I'd not had a proper digest of it at the time of that post. Its still a very fun looking army to play which I'm glad of. Winning games was rare for the Militia in HH but I've never had more fun playing the game.

Very cool PDF. Lots of fun and flavorful rules. Adding in the cargo-8 hauler and war beast tamers is a nice touch for some really wild flair.

I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

Roughly, Solar Auxilia are the professional soldiery with top of the line weapons, militia are the hodge podge ad hoc units and home guard/PDF with whatever military grade weapons and vehicles they can find or had in storage gathering dust.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

Militia fill the role of the old 4th edition 'Lost and the Damned' army or the Chapter Approved rules for Guard regiments made up of Clones, Mutants, Abhumans or even weirder things. The list allows you to customize it to build armies of the cool side-character forces you sometimes see in the novels or in the FW black books, you can do deep-space mutants with pre-imperial technology, degenerated warrior tribes from a high-grav world or aristocratic knightly orders from a region of wild space with it. None of it is especially balanced or furnished with powerful rules, but it allows you to return to the glory days of deo-stick tanks and armies cobbled together from disparate sources.

Tsagualsa wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I only briefly scrolled through the document. What´s the main difference between Solar Auxilia and the Militia? By the way Core troops consisting of 20 models is a big no-no for me.

Militia fill the role of the old 4th edition 'Lost and the Damned' army or the Chapter Approved rules for Guard regiments made up of Clones, Mutants, Abhumans or even weirder things. The list allows you to customize it to build armies of the cool side-character forces you sometimes see in the novels or in the FW black books, you can do deep-space mutants with pre-imperial technology, degenerated warrior tribes from a high-grav world or aristocratic knightly orders from a region of wild space with it. None of it is especially balanced or furnished with powerful rules, but it allows you to return to the glory days of deo-stick tanks and armies cobbled together from disparate sources.

So you can do Imperial beastmen units?

Indeed you can. There is a Provenance for it and everything. The monster units like Cygors and Ghorgons are out but pretty much everything else from the Beast of Chaos range is usable in the Militia list.

Hmm, does GW still sell beastmen boxes of 20 minis? I probably have enough pistols and ccw in my bits box to equip them with.

Gors come in a unit of 10 but the Vanguard box gives you 10 Gors, 10 Bestigors, 10 Ungors, 3 Dragon Ogres, and a Shaman for £85.
Skaven do come in 20 strong boxes though, and that's Stormvermin, Clan Rats, and Plague Monks (plus the Gutter Runners but they're truly awful models).

I for one am super hype to see converted armies from this.


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Also….you can give a Bone ‘Ead a Thunder Hammer.

Of all the things that aren’t wise, that’s the least wise thing!

Funny though,

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

I'd add in that FW costs quite a bit more for it's figures. Trying to buy a enough resin infantry for an army is mighty pricy. Also ship times are a lot longer than you'd like.

So, yea, anyone can go to FW's website, but most of it's still out of reach.

 Moopy wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

I'd add in that FW costs quite a bit more for it's figures. Trying to buy a enough resin infantry for an army is mighty pricy. Also ship times are a lot longer than you'd like.

So, yea, anyone can go to FW's website, but most of it's still out of reach.

NVM Currency exchange rates and tarrifs.

 Gert wrote:
Gors come in a unit of 10 but the Vanguard box gives you 10 Gors, 10 Bestigors, 10 Ungors, 3 Dragon Ogres, and a Shaman for £85.
Skaven do come in 20 strong boxes though, and that's Stormvermin, Clan Rats, and Plague Monks (plus the Gutter Runners but they're truly awful models).

I’m suddenly thinking that dragon ogres would be a great platform to base a Sentinel counts-as conversion off. Have them hold a heavy weapon like a rifle, herd them into Cargo-8s and play reverse cowboy with the opfor.

Oh yeah you can carry sentinels in the big trucks, unless I missed something?

 Moopy wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
How is FW not accessible? It's not OOP or limited, and generally in stock.

I'd add in that FW costs quite a bit more for it's figures. Trying to buy a enough resin infantry for an army is mighty pricy. Also ship times are a lot longer than you'd like.

So, yea, anyone can go to FW's website, but most of it's still out of reach.

I don't think that this it totally correct. In many cases GW charges a similar amount for a plastic character than FW does for a resin mini, it goes without saying (hopefully!) that the resin version has superior detail, or at the very least the potential for superior detail, given the medium used.

Most of the time FW vehicles do cost more, sure, and an infantry squad is approx 30% more expensive, but if you're involved in the hobby anyway then I don't think that it's fair to say that "most of it's still out of reach"

Regarding shipping times, I haven't noticed much of a difference with FW compared to GW? Regardless, even if it does take a few extra days it doesn't mean that it's "not accessible", or "out of reach"

Definitely not for competitive play / optimized army lists, but I like what I'm reading.

Lots of conversion/kitbash potential with existing kits over various ranges.

That being said, I do hope they throw us a couple of modeling morsels.

Personally, I think a couple of upgrade sprues would be a nice touch :

10 Ryza-pattern lasguns (the OG plastic ones, YMMV) + arms

5 Militia jet packs (Voidjumper option under Survivors of the Dark Age Provenance) + 5 pairs of arms with twin laspistols

Probably not going to happen, but one can dream/hope..

For an army crying out for kitbashing and heavy personalisation, I’m certain there are plenty 3rd party options.

Wargames Atlantic already has a few plastic sci-fi regiments and they've also teased something very Renegade Guard looking.